Minimum expectations for the upcoming season,?
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We weren't better last year. No comparison to the additional talent Dorsey has added. Yup, they have Bosa and Derwin James. Also a 37 yo QB in Rivers, and our rejects Hayes Pullard and Spencer Drango on their roster too.
You're taking over for Soju as the most negative newcomer I've seen here in a long time.
The chargers have a guy named Melvin ingram who’s better than Vernon, they have a linebacker name Denzel Perryman who’s better than Kirk and schobert and their secondary is one of the best in the nfl per pff their o line is better their receivers and backs and quarterback about the same
Did you not watch the chargers browns game this year? They took the foot off the brake it could’ve easily been 50-7. This year the browns offensive line is worse. Their secondary looks suspect and if denze ward gets hurt like always or doesn’t play as good as last year their just bad. Also teams will adjust to them as they’re brand new.They’ll be a solid 8-8
The chargers have a guy named Melvin ingram who’s better than Vernon
As someone who's followed thst chargers D for a couple years lemme weigh in on this. Melvin Ingram is a stud, no question. Him and bosa are "formidable"...prob the best DE combo in the game right now. That "may" change next year and here's why.
SD protects Ingram alot on run D. He's not a chump setting the edge by any means, but they try to keep him away from double teams by shading the DTs toward him. That leaves bosa often dealing with a guard and tackle and he's fine with that....Melvin was 34 OLB'er that they've now made a 43 DE but they still stand him up because he's more comfortable rushing out of the 2 pt.
Olivier Vernon diesbt Ingram raw numbers but if u look at his tape, dear lord that's a twitch monster. For our def right now I'd much rather have Vernon st LDE than Ingram. Vernon isn't just fast he's "strong". Dude was giving Dallas's monster LT all he could handle last year. I rarely saw dudes rip under Smith's outside shoulder like Vernon was.
Hsving two cock diesel ass tweakers at DE with ogunjobi and Richardson in the middle.....u just dont understand the complications this is going to give o lines. Ogunjobi and Richardson are not unlockable all game long 1v1. Neither will Myles and Vernon be. Offenses are going to have to keep a RB or FB in reserve to help the tackles deal with the edge rushers so that the interior o line can concentrate on the sheldon and jobi. LB'er blitzes, like from Avery or maybe deron Lee if we pick him up...will be deadly.
Thing about Vernon is he's not a pure speed rusher. He's like Myles, he serves the edge. I dislike pure speed guys cause qb's can just step up. But with Myles and Vernon collapsing the pocket from the edges, any push up the middle from the DT's and the pocket is gonna feel like a phone booth.
The chargers may have very good DE's but they're a lil soft up the middle. I think they lost Mebane last year. A pocket to step up into will almost always tame even a very good edge rush.
I'm not bullish on the entire defense, but the front 4 is as solid as anything the NFL has seen in years. If we add deron Lee, him schobert and Kirk might be a very good lb'ing Corp in their own right.
If Baker scores early, expect our secondary to start taking risks and jumping routes because the front 4 will just go pure rush as the opposing offenses will have to start throwing to keep up.
This is what Dorsey has given us "on paper" with the additions of sheldon and vernon. It's up to the DC to get this right
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Cleveland will finish below the Steelers and ravens the next two years it is what it is
Can this clown get the baking up turnovers treatment yet?
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No, kiddo- I'll explain how things work around here, mostly because I've been here since day one. You've been here less than a week, and you want to tell us (more on that in a second) how to run things? ROTFLMAO!!! Got much of an ego problem? Contrary opinions are allowed- as long as they have some merit. Spout total crap- it's going to get called out. Your list of other teams that improved may have been right in your mind- but it everyone else's- it was dead wrong. There's posters who have played the game, or coached on a high level here, and they've forgotten more about football than you apparently know. There's other Browns message boards out there if you don't like it here.
Regarding us there's three moderators- Zombo, Mark O, and me, plus our board owner Kathy aka Hag II. Mark hasn't been around of late as far as I know, but you've already honked Zombo and me off. Take that for what it's worth. As bjh said earlier in this thread, why should anyone bother even responding to you? Unfortunately, I can't put you on ignore (same reason I couldn't with our now departed resident troll Ghoolie) because part of the job of being a Mod is keeping the asylum somewhat under control.
No good sir I do not have an ego problem, perhaps I miscommunicated, my English is what you call inelegant.
Also im not sure or concerned who moderates or has been here and im just trying to explain to people to have a little humility regarding the Browns recent somewhat success. When they go 7-9 and 8-8 the year after you men will understand
No good sir I do not have an ego problem, perhaps I miscommunicated, my English is what you call inelegant.
Also im not sure or concerned who moderates or has been here and im just trying to explain to people to have a little humility regarding the Browns recent somewhat success. When they go 7-9 and 8-8 the year after you men will understand
You might care when the Moderators kick your ass off of here for a week or two, or permanently. You're getting mighty close to that point in less than a week. Seems there's already enough undercurrent for that to happen already. Be thankful I have a slower trigger finger than Z when it comes to banning posters. So you're predicting not better than 8-8 the next two years Debbie Downer. Sure that could happen, if the Browns get hit with the injury bug as badly as the Bengals did in 2018. Cleveland could also win a Super Bowl in the same time frame. You must have missed the memo every network commentator has the Browns at least in the top three, if not the most improved team in the NFL.
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No good sir I do not have an ego problem, perhaps I miscommunicated, my English is what you call inelegant.
Also im not sure or concerned who moderates or has been here and im just trying to explain to people to have a little humility regarding the Browns recent somewhat success. When they go 7-9 and 8-8 the year after you men will understand
You might care when the Moderators kick your ass off of here for a week or two, or permanently. You're getting mighty close to that point in less than a week. Seems there's already enough undercurrent for that to happen already. Be thankful I have a slower trigger finger than Z when it comes to banning posters. So you're predicting not better than 8-8 the next two years Debbie Downer. Sure that could happen, if the Browns get hit with the injury bug as badly as the Bengals did in 2018. Cleveland could also win a Super Bowl in the same time frame. You must have missed the memo every network commentator has the Browns at least in the top three, if not the most improved team in the NFL.
You might care when the Moderators kick your ass off of here for a week or two, or permanently. You're getting mighty close to that point in less than a week. Seems there's already enough undercurrent for that to happen already. Be thankful I have a slower trigger finger than Z when it comes to banning posters. So you're predicting not better than 8-8 the next two years Debbie Downer. Sure that could happen, if the Browns get hit with the injury bug as badly as the Bengals did in 2018. Cleveland could also win a Super Bowl in the same time frame. You must have missed the memo every network commentator has the Browns at least in the top three, if not the most improved team in the NFL.
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
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The only thing you know more about is the smegma coming off our Peni
Cleveland will finish below the Steelers and ravens the next two years it is what it is
Cleveland will finish below the Steelers and ravens the next two years it is what it is
How do you know that have you swallowed the Steelers and the ravens come so much that is going to your brain you know it’s kind a like up to your eyeballs. Both of those teams are diminished from last year in my opinion where is the Browns are significantly improved
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You might care when the Moderators kick your ass off of here for a week or two, or permanently. You're getting mighty close to that point in less than a week. Seems there's already enough undercurrent for that to happen already. Be thankful I have a slower trigger finger than Z when it comes to banning posters. So you're predicting not better than 8-8 the next two years Debbie Downer. Sure that could happen, if the Browns get hit with the injury bug as badly as the Bengals did in 2018. Cleveland could also win a Super Bowl in the same time frame. You must have missed the memo every network commentator has the Browns at least in the top three, if not the most improved team in the NFL.
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
Again I just think that you are underestimating the actual talent on this team in comparison to the other teams in the division in the other teams in the AFC. Do they have weaknesses in a few spots sure. Can they bolster those positions absolutely with a couple more signings and the draft but even if they didn’t get an infusion of talent anymore than they have now I still think they will be challenging for top spots all around
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You might care when the Moderators kick your ass off of here for a week or two, or permanently. You're getting mighty close to that point in less than a week. Seems there's already enough undercurrent for that to happen already. Be thankful I have a slower trigger finger than Z when it comes to banning posters. So you're predicting not better than 8-8 the next two years Debbie Downer. Sure that could happen, if the Browns get hit with the injury bug as badly as the Bengals did in 2018. Cleveland could also win a Super Bowl in the same time frame. You must have missed the memo every network commentator has the Browns at least in the top three, if not the most improved team in the NFL.
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
I'll let you see it that way then. It's certainly a minority opinion. But- you don't "sneak up" on teams- once the Browns dumped the Hubatross as HC they went on a 5-3 roll, and you can bet every opposing coach duly noted Cleveland was on a roll.
Regarding extremely young- and it never happens? Har, wrong. Ever take a look at the Ram's roster? I just did. Overall about the same age as the Browns. https://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-nfl-teams-age-after-53-man-cutdowns-2018-edition/ Cleveland 2nd youngest, Rams 4th youngest (0.2 years older) They had three guys on the high side of 30, Suh, Talib, and Whitworth. AND THEY MADE THE FREAKING SUPER BOWL. If you think that was a fluke, the year before that (2017) the Rams had the second youngest team in the NFL, went 11-5 and made the playoffs.
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8-9 wins is realistic.
Remember,
We were 1-6-1 vs teams with a winning record and 1-5 against playoff teams.
There are "next steps" to be taken still.
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nah - with the draft added in, and FA improvements -
this year, the weaknesses will be made strengths..
the sky is the limit, but I expect 12-4, with 4 close accidents/missed field goals, whatever.
If I'm gonna dream, I'm dreaming big.
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8-9 wins is realistic.
Remember,
We were 1-6-1 vs teams with a winning record and 1-5 against playoff teams.
There are "next steps" to be taken still.
8-9 wins is realistic.
Remember,
We were 1-6-1 vs teams with a winning record and 1-5 against playoff teams.
There are "next steps" to be taken still.
I suppose if you want to look at it that way. The schedule sets up very favorably for the Browns. With the only "on paper" really tough games being the Rams at home and Patriots on the road.
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nah - with the draft added in, and FA improvements -
this year, the weaknesses will be made strengths..
the sky is the limit, but I expect 12-4, with 4 close accidents/missed field goals, whatever.
If I'm gonna dream, I'm dreaming big.
nah - with the draft added in, and FA improvements -
this year, the weaknesses will be made strengths..
the sky is the limit, but I expect 12-4, with 4 close accidents/missed field goals, whatever.
If I'm gonna dream, I'm dreaming big.
10 wins minimum Cal? Really- Cardinals, 49ers, Broncos, Bills, Jets, the tanking Dolphins at home, Bengals twice. We were 5-3 the last 8 games = 10-6 this year, and went 3-2-1 in the division without the off season infusion of talent. Anything less than a playoff appearance will be a disappointment. Keep everyone healthy, and I can almost buy your 12-4.
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nah - with the draft added in, and FA improvements -
this year, the weaknesses will be made strengths..
the sky is the limit, but I expect 12-4, with 4 close accidents/missed field goals, whatever.
If I'm gonna dream, I'm dreaming big.
10 wins minimum Cal? Really- Cardinals, 49ers, Broncos, Bills, Jets, the tanking Dolphins at home, Bengals twice. We were 5-3 the last 8 games = 10-6 this year, and went 3-2-1 in the division without the off season infusion of talent. Anything less than a playoff appearance will be a disappointment. Keep everyone healthy, and I can almost buy your 12-4.
10 wins minimum Cal? Really- Cardinals, 49ers, Broncos, Bills, Jets, the tanking Dolphins at home, Bengals twice. We were 5-3 the last 8 games = 10-6 this year, and went 3-2-1 in the division without the off season infusion of talent. Anything less than a playoff appearance will be a disappointment. Keep everyone healthy, and I can almost buy your 12-4.
Most of us have been dreamin of a playoff appearance for a long time. I'm encouraged to dream bigger by Joe Thomas, ...always.
Maybe if we all dream bigger... ?
"Whether or not Thomas would consider unretiring for a run at something he was unable to achieve in his 11 years with the club, a trip to the postseason, is a decision up to him and his family, but that did not stop him from enjoying the moment.
After having just one winning season in his Browns career, Thomas relished in the fact that the team seems to be moving in a positive direction, one that may allow it to compete for an AFC North Division Championship and a long postseason run.
“It’s going to be an incredible year, and all I can say is, when you look at this roster, there are no holes,” Thomas said on NFL Total Access after the deal was reported. “Can you say that about maybe five teams in the NFL? Maybe.
“You look across the board, especially at those important positions, quarterback, receiver down the field, receiver underneath, offensive line, running back, defensive line, there’s no holes.”
Just one more year, Joe??? A few more games? Let the Browns win the Division, and I'd LOVE to see Joe Thomas go out there for the final snap at least ! You heard it here first. maybe. lol.
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10 wins minimum Cal? Really- Cardinals, 49ers, Broncos, Bills, Jets, the tanking Dolphins at home, Bengals twice. We were 5-3 the last 8 games = 10-6 this year, and went 3-2-1 in the division without the off season infusion of talent. Anything less than a playoff appearance will be a disappointment. Keep everyone healthy, and I can almost buy your 12-4.
Most of us have been dreamin of a playoff appearance for a long time. I'm encouraged to dream bigger by Joe Thomas, ...always.
Maybe if we all dream bigger... ?
"Whether or not Thomas would consider unretiring for a run at something he was unable to achieve in his 11 years with the club, a trip to the postseason, is a decision up to him and his family, but that did not stop him from enjoying the moment.
After having just one winning season in his Browns career, Thomas relished in the fact that the team seems to be moving in a positive direction, one that may allow it to compete for an AFC North Division Championship and a long postseason run.
“It’s going to be an incredible year, and all I can say is, when you look at this roster, there are no holes,” Thomas said on NFL Total Access after the deal was reported. “Can you say that about maybe five teams in the NFL? Maybe.
“You look across the board, especially at those important positions, quarterback, receiver down the field, receiver underneath, offensive line, running back, defensive line, there’s no holes.”
Just one more year, Joe??? A few more games? Let the Browns win the Division, and I'd LOVE to see Joe Thomas go out there for the final snap at least ! You heard it here first. maybe. lol.
Most of us have been dreamin of a playoff appearance for a long time. I'm encouraged to dream bigger by Joe Thomas, ...always.
Maybe if we all dream bigger... ?
"Whether or not Thomas would consider unretiring for a run at something he was unable to achieve in his 11 years with the club, a trip to the postseason, is a decision up to him and his family, but that did not stop him from enjoying the moment.
After having just one winning season in his Browns career, Thomas relished in the fact that the team seems to be moving in a positive direction, one that may allow it to compete for an AFC North Division Championship and a long postseason run.
“It’s going to be an incredible year, and all I can say is, when you look at this roster, there are no holes,” Thomas said on NFL Total Access after the deal was reported. “Can you say that about maybe five teams in the NFL? Maybe.
“You look across the board, especially at those important positions, quarterback, receiver down the field, receiver underneath, offensive line, running back, defensive line, there’s no holes.”
Just one more year, Joe??? A few more games? Let the Browns win the Division, and I'd LOVE to see Joe Thomas go out there for the final snap at least ! You heard it here first. maybe. lol.
Nah, it's a nice thought, but Joe returning isn't going to happen. There was another article detailing how Thomas had to almost force feed himself to keep up that 300+ pound bulk. Too much work and effort to regain it.
On a related issue I've been fortunate enough to meet Doug Dieken a couple of times at Browns Backers functions, and it's the same thing. As soon as he stopped playing, he de-bulked. He's a big guy, but you would never guess that he was once a 300 or so pound offensive tackle.
You almost have to go that route once you stop playing, or else it's an early trip to the cemetery.
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You might care when the Moderators kick your ass off of here for a week or two, or permanently. You're getting mighty close to that point in less than a week. Seems there's already enough undercurrent for that to happen already. Be thankful I have a slower trigger finger than Z when it comes to banning posters. So you're predicting not better than 8-8 the next two years Debbie Downer. Sure that could happen, if the Browns get hit with the injury bug as badly as the Bengals did in 2018. Cleveland could also win a Super Bowl in the same time frame. You must have missed the memo every network commentator has the Browns at least in the top three, if not the most improved team in the NFL.
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
Plausible argument at the end of a a long trail of disagreement fueled by talking past one another... mostly by others.
Here are the issues I have with your analysis:
- On paper we are better than our 2018 version.
- The youth we have has its 2018 season under its collective belt.
- While young, we will not be getting appreciably younger given the nature of the deals we've made and the reduction of our draft pick total to relatively "normal" levels.
- Baker... for your prognostication to materialize Mayfield will have to suffer the dreaded, sophomore slump... and I do not see that happening.
I expect to see us improve upon our 2018 record.
I believe doing so will net us a playoff spot.
Any playoff success will just be gravy...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If We go 8-8, most if not all of those losses would have to be ~3 pt nail biters for me not to.he calling for kitchens to.be fired. If theres some "bad" losses he's done. We simply cant fuck around with this "window".
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If We go 8-8, most if not all of those losses would have to be ~3 pt nail biters for me not to.he calling for kitchens to.be fired. If theres some "bad" losses he's done. We simply cant fuck around with this "window".
We simply cant fuck around with this "window".
You mean except for firing the entire staff should we stumble... 🥷
This window has just cracked open... we have years to open it wide.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Most of us have been dreamin of a playoff appearance for a long time. I'm encouraged to dream bigger by Joe Thomas, ...always.
Maybe if we all dream bigger... ?
"Whether or not Thomas would consider unretiring for a run at something he was unable to achieve in his 11 years with the club, a trip to the postseason, is a decision up to him and his family, but that did not stop him from enjoying the moment.
After having just one winning season in his Browns career, Thomas relished in the fact that the team seems to be moving in a positive direction, one that may allow it to compete for an AFC North Division Championship and a long postseason run.
“It’s going to be an incredible year, and all I can say is, when you look at this roster, there are no holes,” Thomas said on NFL Total Access after the deal was reported. “Can you say that about maybe five teams in the NFL? Maybe.
“You look across the board, especially at those important positions, quarterback, receiver down the field, receiver underneath, offensive line, running back, defensive line, there’s no holes.”
Just one more year, Joe??? A few more games? Let the Browns win the Division, and I'd LOVE to see Joe Thomas go out there for the final snap at least ! You heard it here first. maybe. lol.
Nah, it's a nice thought, but Joe returning isn't going to happen. There was another article detailing how Thomas had to almost force feed himself to keep up that 300+ pound bulk. Too much work and effort to regain it.
On a related issue I've been fortunate enough to meet Doug Dieken a couple of times at Browns Backers functions, and it's the same thing. As soon as he stopped playing, he de-bulked. He's a big guy, but you would never guess that he was once a 300 or so pound offensive tackle.
You almost have to go that route once you stop playing, or else it's an early trip to the cemetery.
Nah, it's a nice thought, but Joe returning isn't going to happen. There was another article detailing how Thomas had to almost force feed himself to keep up that 300+ pound bulk. Too much work and effort to regain it.
On a related issue I've been fortunate enough to meet Doug Dieken a couple of times at Browns Backers functions, and it's the same thing. As soon as he stopped playing, he de-bulked. He's a big guy, but you would never guess that he was once a 300 or so pound offensive tackle.
You almost have to go that route once you stop playing, or else it's an early trip to the cemetery.
Oh, I know. But I seriously think he should get into the line up in the game when they win the division - even for just one snap.
Because? I respect him so much - hell, everybody does. Or maybe in a playoff game. Superbowl? I would personally want to see him take just one snap after the game is decided. I know he can't bulk back up again. But just to take the field in uniform just one more snap. LOL. He'll get a superbowl ring anyways.
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My expectations are the same each off season. Championship! Nothing less.
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