The Pick At 49
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At 49??? No thanks...
Really strong against the run... especially for his size, but he's never going to a pressure guy vs. the pass. Nice burst, but short with short arms will have NFL OTs eating him up if he's on the LOS.
Now as a roving OLB? Maybe, but his coverage makes him a liability to drop back.
I was just going to ask what position he would play in the 4-3, since it seems like he's a bit of a tweener in it.
I was just going to ask what position he would play in the 4-3, since it seems like he's a bit of a tweener in it.
Holy simul-post, Batman!
I was just explaining my take a bit more in the post above yours...
IN summary... I can see him as a 3-4 OLB used ala Clay Jr. in GB, but he's not a scheme fit for us... and he's not elite enough to change schemes to accommodate him.
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Well he was recruited as a 4* LB, was then moved to TE, then moved back to the DL.
According to their combine numbers, he's not too far off from Vernon
Vernon - 6'2", 33" arms, 261 lbs
Winovich - 6'3", 32 3/4" arms, 256 lbs
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That 1/4" makes all the difference...
Anyway, that's what she said...
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Dorsey makes a draft day trade as follows: Browns trade 2nd round pick (49) a 5th round pick (155) and Duke Johnson to Philly for their 1st round pick (26) and Rasual Douglas.
Browns draft one of the three: CB Greedy Williams, DT Jeffrey Simmons or best OL available.
Dorsey makes a draft day trade as follows: Browns trade 2nd round pick (49) a 5th round pick (155) and Duke Johnson to Philly for their 1st round pick (26) and Rasual Douglas.
Browns draft one of the three: CB Greedy Williams, DT Jeffrey Simmons or best OL available.
I could certainly see a trade, but this one makes little sense for PHI. They just got Jordan Howard, and have other backs for a committee.
I like Duke, but I don't think he is worth that much in a trade.
I think there will be someone wherever the Browns draft that can help them, I'm guessing it's a defender
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I can see a CB as well, but there are a lot from which to choose in that mid-2nd area...
For grins I inserted their PFF grades in parentheses besides their DraftScout Round projection.
Just shows to go ya that opinions vary...
DS RankPlayer Name College Projected Height Weight 40 Time Range Hometown, State High School 1*Greedy Williams 
LSU 1 (80.5) 6-2 182 4.33 - 4.46 Shreveport,LA Calvary Baptist Academy 2*Byron Murphy
Washington 1 (92.0) 5-11 189 4.46 - 4.60 Scottsdale,AZ Saguaro 3DeAndre Baker
Georgia 1 (89.4) 5-11 190 4.44 - 4.59 Miami,FL Northwestern 4*Trayvon Mullen
Clemson 2 (78.0) 6-2 195 4.38 - 4.54 Fort Lauderdale,,FL Coconut Creek 5Amani Oruwariye
Penn State 2 (79.1) 6-2 205 4.42 - 4.56 Tampa,FL Gaither 6Rock Ya-Sin
Temple 2 (87.5) 6-0 192 4.45 - 4.59 Decatur,GA Southwest Dekalb 7Lonnie Johnson Jr.
Kentucky 2 (72.6) 6-2 210 4.40 - 4.58 Gary,IN Gary West Side 8*JoeJuan Williams
Vanderbilt 2-3 (81.0) 6-4 211 4.55 - 4.68 Nashville,TN Father Ryan/Hendersonville 9*Julian Love
Notre Dame 2-3 (90.4) 5-11 195 4.45 - 4.59 Westchester,IL Nazareth 10Isaiah Johnson 
Houston 2-3 (70.7) 6-2 205 4.30 - 4.47 Bryan,TX Rudder 11*Justin Layne
Michigan State 3 (87.1) 6-2 192 4.42 - 4.58 Cleveland,OH Benedictine 12*Kendall Sheffield 
Ohio State 3 (???) 5-11 193 4.26 - 4.46 Missouri City,TX Thurgood Marshall 13*Sean Bunting
Central Michigan 3-4 (75.4) 6-0 195 4.35 - 4.49 Clinton Township,MI Chippewa Valley 14*Saivion Smith
Alabama 4 (78.4) 6-1 203 4.50 - 4.78 Tampa,FL IMG Academy 15*Jamel Dean
Auburn 4 (80.8) 6-1 206 4.24 - 4.38 Cocoa,FL Cocoa I can see a CB as well, but there are a lot from which to choose in that mid-2nd area...
For grins I inserted their PFF grades in parentheses besides their DraftScout Round projection.
Just shows to go ya that opinions vary...
I'll go with Lonnie Johnson jr. ... big body across from Ward.
Zombo
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I can see a CB as well, but there are a lot from which to choose in that mid-2nd area...
For grins I inserted their PFF grades in parentheses besides their DraftScout Round projection.
Just shows to go ya that opinions vary...
I'll go with Lonnie Johnson jr. ... big body across from Ward.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I'll go with Lonnie Johnson jr. ... big body across from Ward.
Not a bad choice, but if we are going to ignore PFF's grades then let's go with another U of H kid... Isaiah Johnson. Same height as Lonnie, but faster and crushed the 3-cone with a 6.81 vs. Lonnie's 7.01.
Lonnie's only edge is 1.5" more vertical...
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Zombo said:
I'll go with Lonnie Johnson jr. ... big body across from Ward.
Not a bad choice, but if we are going to ignore PFF's grades then let's go with another U of H kid... Isaiah Johnson. Same height as Lonnie, but faster and crushed the 3-cone with a 6.81 vs. Lonnie's 7.01.
Lonnie's only edge is 1.5" more vertical...
Isaiah Johnson. Same height as Lonnie, but faster
You can't teach speed. - He's fast.
...quite a crap-shoot trying to determine who pick #49 will be...and I wouldn't be surprised to see us move around in the second round.
(No 1st round pick for us...but we have one of the best receivers in the game to place along side of Landry, Njoku & Calllaway/Higgins/Willies.....so far we're having a great draft)
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Isaiah Johnson. Same height as Lonnie, but faster
You can't teach speed. - He's fast.
...quite a crap-shoot trying to determine who pick #49 will be...and I wouldn't be surprised to see us move around in the second round.
(No 1st round pick for us...but we have one of the best receivers in the game to place along side of Landry, Njoku & Calllaway/Higgins/Willies.....so far we're having a great draft)
...quite a crap-shoot trying to determine who pick #49 will be
Yup... it gets harder and harder every round after the 1st...
... and collectively we pretty well suck at nailing the 1st rounders, so...
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Dorsey makes a draft day trade as follows: Browns trade 2nd round pick (49) a 5th round pick (155) and Duke Johnson to Philly for their 1st round pick (26) and Rasual Douglas.
Browns draft one of the three: CB Greedy Williams, DT Jeffrey Simmons or best OL available.
I could certainly see a trade, but this one makes little sense for PHI. They just got Jordan Howard, and have other backs for a committee.
I like Duke, but I don't think he is worth that much in a trade.
I think there will be someone wherever the Browns draft that can help them, I'm guessing it's a defender
I could certainly see a trade, but this one makes little sense for PHI. They just got Jordan Howard, and have other backs for a committee.
I like Duke, but I don't think he is worth that much in a trade.
I think there will be someone wherever the Browns draft that can help them, I'm guessing it's a defender
Even with the Jets adding L.Bell, it's still being reported that 3 teams including the Jets have interest in Duke. Reported also is we have interest in Jets Darron Lee's coverage skills at LB..The Browns own pick 3.16 in 3rd..The Jets have no 2nd rounder, but own two 3rd rounders of 3.4 & 3.29..Am wondering if the Lee/Duke deal gets done with us flipping Jets picks in 3rd & not sure which way it flips?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Might not be picking 49
Browns GM John Dorsey, who traded a 1st-round pick for Odell Beckham Jr., is considering trading back into the 1st round.
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Here’s a lengthy, athletic corner from Clemson, Trayvon Mullen, the 69th ranked player in the draft according to NFL.com. 6’1, sub 4.5 40 time, nice frame.
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Talk on twitter we could go to 8 by offering Lions our 49, our 2nd and 3rd rounders next year and Duke Johnson .......
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Talk on twitter we could go to 8 by offering Lions our 49, our 2nd and 3rd rounders next year and Duke Johnson .......
Talk on twitter we could go to 8 by offering Lions our 49, our 2nd and 3rd rounders next year and Duke Johnson .......
THAT'S DEVIN WHITE TERRITORY!!!
THE DREAM LIVES!!!!
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THAT'S DEVIN WHITE TERRITORY!!!
THE DREAM LIVES!!!!
Yes it does. But we may have to outbid someone like Miami who might also want to move up there to get ahead of Denver for Drew Lock.
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Yes it does. But we may have to outbid someone like Miami who might also want to move up there to get ahead of Denver for Drew Lock.
But Denver might go up for Drew as well...
The rise of the QBs is how a D. White could fall to 8 or 10 or 12...
Don't put it past Dorsey to apparently overspend for the #8 and then trade down a slot or three, recoup some of his spend and still get his guy. I'd just hope that his guy is our guy...
At any rate it's getting interesting.
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Yes it does. But we may have to outbid someone like Miami who might also want to move up there to get ahead of Denver for Drew Lock.
But Denver might go up for Drew as well...
The rise of the QBs is how a D. White could fall to 8 or 10 or 12...
Don't put it past Dorsey to apparently overspend for the #8 and then trade down a slot or three, recoup some of his spend and still get his guy. I'd just hope that his guy is our guy...
At any rate it's getting interesting.
But Denver might go up for Drew as well...
The rise of the QBs is how a D. White could fall to 8 or 10 or 12...
Don't put it past Dorsey to apparently overspend for the #8 and then trade down a slot or three, recoup some of his spend and still get his guy. I'd just hope that his guy is our guy...
At any rate it's getting interesting.
Of course this is the crazy time of smoke and mirrors, so who knows. I just hope we find a way to get White. That guy is a difference maker right where we need him most. Just imagine him operating behind this line we now have. Gonna be tough to move the ball on us.
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THAT'S DEVIN WHITE TERRITORY!!!
THE DREAM LIVES!!!!
I wouldn't mortgage our future for White. I'm on the record saying G. Pratt, K. Hodge, and T. Watson are just as good if not better. If we trade up it has to be for one of the premier DTs or maybe J. Williams
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I wouldn't mortgage our future for White. I'm on the record saying G. Pratt, K. Hodge, and T. Watson are just as good if not better.
Straight up vs. the run? I'd have to agree to varying extents with your take... especially in Pratt's case... barely in Watson's... with Hodge in the middle.
But add in coverage? That's where White separates himself IMO. For me it's his 3-down balance on the field that draws me to him... plus his raw speed which he translates quite well into impact.
But if we go 2nd tier, then I'd add one sneaky name to the end of your list... the gamecocks' Cam Smith. Right now he's a 2 -down guy who gets in position vs. the pass, but somehow just doesn't make the plays he's set to make.
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I wouldn't mortgage our future for White. I'm on the record saying G. Pratt, K. Hodge, and T. Watson are just as good if not better.
Straight up vs. the run? I'd have to agree to varying extents with your take... especially in Pratt's case... barely in Watson's... with Hodge in the middle.
But add in coverage? That's where White separates himself IMO. For me it's his 3-down balance on the field that draws me to him... plus his raw speed which he translates quite well into impact.
But if we go 2nd tier, then I'd add one sneaky name to the end of your list... the gamecocks' Cam Smith. Right now he's a 2 -down guy who gets in position vs. the pass, but somehow just doesn't make the plays he's set to make.
Straight up vs. the run? I'd have to agree to varying extents with your take... especially in Pratt's case... barely in Watson's... with Hodge in the middle.
But add in coverage? That's where White separates himself IMO. For me it's his 3-down balance on the field that draws me to him... plus his raw speed which he translates quite well into impact.
But if we go 2nd tier, then I'd add one sneaky name to the end of your list... the gamecocks' Cam Smith. Right now he's a 2 -down guy who gets in position vs. the pass, but somehow just doesn't make the plays he's set to make.
That's why I'm so high on Pratt, he converted from safety to LBer so he has experience in coverage. All 3 are better vs the run, they aren't freak athletes that jump off the screen. They are quicker to react, get in the gap, and tackle better. White has a ton of potential, but he also could be a bust.
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I could certainly see a trade, but this one makes little sense for PHI. They just got Jordan Howard, and have other backs for a committee.
I like Duke, but I don't think he is worth that much in a trade.
I think there will be someone wherever the Browns draft that can help them, I'm guessing it's a defender
Even with the Jets adding L.Bell, it's still being reported that 3 teams including the Jets have interest in Duke. Reported also is we have interest in Jets Darron Lee's coverage skills at LB..The Browns own pick 3.16 in 3rd..The Jets have no 2nd rounder, but own two 3rd rounders of 3.4 & 3.29..Am wondering if the Lee/Duke deal gets done with us flipping Jets picks in 3rd & not sure which way it flips?
Even with the Jets adding L.Bell, it's still being reported that 3 teams including the Jets have interest in Duke. Reported also is we have interest in Jets Darron Lee's coverage skills at LB..The Browns own pick 3.16 in 3rd..The Jets have no 2nd rounder, but own two 3rd rounders of 3.4 & 3.29..Am wondering if the Lee/Duke deal gets done with us flipping Jets picks in 3rd & not sure which way it flips?
Oh I might not have made my point clear. I wouldn't be surprised if any team traded for Duke, but some others would need it more. I just think its unrealistic to think Duke nets you getting in the 1st round plus Douglas
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