Duke Johnson Requests Trade
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I think many fans felt like we never truly used Duke as much as we could have, and I was hoping we'd have another 8 games to try and figure it out. After all, Kitchens was a new OC and we had a crap load of new shite to pull together. Do I understand his frustration about playing? I guess so, a RB only has so much time, but on the other hand, we extended his contract and presumably WANTED him in Cleveland...so whatever. I just always respected him and hate to see him go.
He isn't necessarily going anywhere. Just because his agent says he may want to.
I want to bed Kaley Cuocco.....don't mean its going to happen.
He isn't necessarily going anywhere. Just because his agent says he may want to.
I want to bed Kaley Cuocco.....don't mean its going to happen.
If you do bed her, you better kiss and tell. That's all I'm saying, LOL.
But you make a great point, and that's just because somebody WANTS to be traded, it doesn't mean they will be, OR that they'll feel that way in the coming months. Players are human-beings, just like everyone else, and they can have emotions. Duke probably (definitely) felt like he wasn't utilized last year like he wanted, and us signing Hunt probably pushed him over the edge. That being said, let me tell you something about Duke Johnson. He is ALWAYS one of the most respected players on the field, both from coaches and players. Even the opposition can be seen helping Duke Johnson off the ground several times a game and patting him on the head. When Duke was in college, he suffered a terrible knee injury against my Seminole, and there were multiple Noles kneeling beside Duke and praying for him. This is back when the Noles were a top college team, and the FSU vs Miami game was one of THE elite games of the year. Lots of bad blood on both sides, but when it came to Duke, there was admiration and respect.
I say that because I don't want fans to think of Duke like some malcontent little beeotch. He's definitely not ANY of that, and while I wish he would've handled it a bit differently, he's still one of my favorite players. I can also see Duke's point, although I wish he wouldn't have made his wishes PUBLIC. That's the one thing I don't like about the situation. Now we would've known SOMETHING was up when he didn't show up for voluntary training, but still...I wish he didn't make his demands public like that. From Duke's point of view, he's seeing offenses like the New England Patriots. Can you IMAGINE Duke Johnson on the Patriots? I sure can, and I can PROMISE you that he can visualize it, too. He's thinking he can have 80 receptions a year, 100+ rushes, and 10 TD's. He's got that kind of ability, and with an offense as loaded as ours, he's simply not going to get that many touches barring awful injury or Hunt not fulfilling his stipulations to play.
In short (I know, I'm never short...sorry), you're right. Duke isn't necessarily going anywhere, but I could see him being traded either on draft day or shortly afterwards. But you know what? I can also see him being part of our team and really helping our offense develop into a dangerous powerhouse. He's good people, and I want him back for sure.
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He isn't necessarily going anywhere. Just because his agent says he may want to.
I want to bed Kaley Cuocco.....don't mean its going to happen.
If you do bed her, you better kiss and tell. That's all I'm saying, LOL.
But you make a great point, and that's just because somebody WANTS to be traded, it doesn't mean they will be, OR that they'll feel that way in the coming months. Players are human-beings, just like everyone else, and they can have emotions. Duke probably (definitely) felt like he wasn't utilized last year like he wanted, and us signing Hunt probably pushed him over the edge. That being said, let me tell you something about Duke Johnson. He is ALWAYS one of the most respected players on the field, both from coaches and players. Even the opposition can be seen helping Duke Johnson off the ground several times a game and patting him on the head. When Duke was in college, he suffered a terrible knee injury against my Seminole, and there were multiple Noles kneeling beside Duke and praying for him. This is back when the Noles were a top college team, and the FSU vs Miami game was one of THE elite games of the year. Lots of bad blood on both sides, but when it came to Duke, there was admiration and respect.
I say that because I don't want fans to think of Duke like some malcontent little beeotch. He's definitely not ANY of that, and while I wish he would've handled it a bit differently, he's still one of my favorite players. I can also see Duke's point, although I wish he wouldn't have made his wishes PUBLIC. That's the one thing I don't like about the situation. Now we would've known SOMETHING was up when he didn't show up for voluntary training, but still...I wish he didn't make his demands public like that. From Duke's point of view, he's seeing offenses like the New England Patriots. Can you IMAGINE Duke Johnson on the Patriots? I sure can, and I can PROMISE you that he can visualize it, too. He's thinking he can have 80 receptions a year, 100+ rushes, and 10 TD's. He's got that kind of ability, and with an offense as loaded as ours, he's simply not going to get that many touches barring awful injury or Hunt not fulfilling his stipulations to play.
In short (I know, I'm never short...sorry), you're right. Duke isn't necessarily going anywhere, but I could see him being traded either on draft day or shortly afterwards. But you know what? I can also see him being part of our team and really helping our offense develop into a dangerous powerhouse. He's good people, and I want him back for sure.
If you do bed her, you better kiss and tell. That's all I'm saying, LOL.
But you make a great point, and that's just because somebody WANTS to be traded, it doesn't mean they will be, OR that they'll feel that way in the coming months. Players are human-beings, just like everyone else, and they can have emotions. Duke probably (definitely) felt like he wasn't utilized last year like he wanted, and us signing Hunt probably pushed him over the edge. That being said, let me tell you something about Duke Johnson. He is ALWAYS one of the most respected players on the field, both from coaches and players. Even the opposition can be seen helping Duke Johnson off the ground several times a game and patting him on the head. When Duke was in college, he suffered a terrible knee injury against my Seminole, and there were multiple Noles kneeling beside Duke and praying for him. This is back when the Noles were a top college team, and the FSU vs Miami game was one of THE elite games of the year. Lots of bad blood on both sides, but when it came to Duke, there was admiration and respect.
I say that because I don't want fans to think of Duke like some malcontent little beeotch. He's definitely not ANY of that, and while I wish he would've handled it a bit differently, he's still one of my favorite players. I can also see Duke's point, although I wish he wouldn't have made his wishes PUBLIC. That's the one thing I don't like about the situation. Now we would've known SOMETHING was up when he didn't show up for voluntary training, but still...I wish he didn't make his demands public like that. From Duke's point of view, he's seeing offenses like the New England Patriots. Can you IMAGINE Duke Johnson on the Patriots? I sure can, and I can PROMISE you that he can visualize it, too. He's thinking he can have 80 receptions a year, 100+ rushes, and 10 TD's. He's got that kind of ability, and with an offense as loaded as ours, he's simply not going to get that many touches barring awful injury or Hunt not fulfilling his stipulations to play.
In short (I know, I'm never short...sorry), you're right. Duke isn't necessarily going anywhere, but I could see him being traded either on draft day or shortly afterwards. But you know what? I can also see him being part of our team and really helping our offense develop into a dangerous powerhouse. He's good people, and I want him back for sure.
The problem we encounter with Duke in terms of his trade-exchange value is that most teams know that 3rd round RBs like Hunt and Kamara (both earned Offensive Rookie of the Year honors in their respective conferences) and other productive RBa are often found even later enough to dilute such a need to trade for him. Once upon a time (1986 BC - Before Cellphones) - we had little known RB (Herman Fontenot) filling the exact same role Duke carved out. He played exclusively on 3rd downs and contributed 47 receptions that led to numerous 1st downs for our offense. Not bad for an undrafted FA RB. And Earnest Byner was a 10th round draft choice in a league that no longer drafts more than 7 rounds (making him the equivalent of UFA today). One of the knocks on Duke coming out was his durability and how that and his size projected to the next level. Duke has remained healthy and productive in his role here. That said, is he gotta-have enough to become part of a 1st round trade scenario? We've certainly seen stranger things happen over the years so we shall see...
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If you do bed her, you better kiss and tell. That's all I'm saying, LOL.
But you make a great point, and that's just because somebody WANTS to be traded, it doesn't mean they will be, OR that they'll feel that way in the coming months. Players are human-beings, just like everyone else, and they can have emotions. Duke probably (definitely) felt like he wasn't utilized last year like he wanted, and us signing Hunt probably pushed him over the edge. That being said, let me tell you something about Duke Johnson. He is ALWAYS one of the most respected players on the field, both from coaches and players. Even the opposition can be seen helping Duke Johnson off the ground several times a game and patting him on the head. When Duke was in college, he suffered a terrible knee injury against my Seminole, and there were multiple Noles kneeling beside Duke and praying for him. This is back when the Noles were a top college team, and the FSU vs Miami game was one of THE elite games of the year. Lots of bad blood on both sides, but when it came to Duke, there was admiration and respect.
I say that because I don't want fans to think of Duke like some malcontent little beeotch. He's definitely not ANY of that, and while I wish he would've handled it a bit differently, he's still one of my favorite players. I can also see Duke's point, although I wish he wouldn't have made his wishes PUBLIC. That's the one thing I don't like about the situation. Now we would've known SOMETHING was up when he didn't show up for voluntary training, but still...I wish he didn't make his demands public like that. From Duke's point of view, he's seeing offenses like the New England Patriots. Can you IMAGINE Duke Johnson on the Patriots? I sure can, and I can PROMISE you that he can visualize it, too. He's thinking he can have 80 receptions a year, 100+ rushes, and 10 TD's. He's got that kind of ability, and with an offense as loaded as ours, he's simply not going to get that many touches barring awful injury or Hunt not fulfilling his stipulations to play.
In short (I know, I'm never short...sorry), you're right. Duke isn't necessarily going anywhere, but I could see him being traded either on draft day or shortly afterwards. But you know what? I can also see him being part of our team and really helping our offense develop into a dangerous powerhouse. He's good people, and I want him back for sure.
The problem we encounter with Duke in terms of his trade-exchange value is that most teams know that 3rd round RBs like Hunt and Kamara (both earned Offensive Rookie of the Year honors in their respective conferences) and other productive RBa are often found even later enough to dilute such a need to trade for him. Once upon a time (1986 BC - Before Cellphones) - we had little known RB (Herman Fontenot) filling the exact same role Duke carved out. He played exclusively on 3rd downs and contributed 47 receptions that led to numerous 1st downs for our offense. Not bad for an undrafted FA RB. And Earnest Byner was a 10th round draft choice in a league that no longer drafts more than 7 rounds (making him the equivalent of UFA today). One of the knocks on Duke coming out was his durability and how that and his size projected to the next level. Duke has remained healthy and productive in his role here. That said, is he gotta-have enough to become part of a 1st round trade scenario? We've certainly seen stranger things happen over the years so we shall see...
The problem we encounter with Duke in terms of his trade-exchange value is that most teams know that 3rd round RBs like Hunt and Kamara (both earned Offensive Rookie of the Year honors in their respective conferences) and other productive RBa are often found even later enough to dilute such a need to trade for him.
Plus teams know that Duke is no more than an insurance policy for us once Hunt takes the field. That he becomes superfluous.
This can be more than offset by a team's... or teams'... need due to injury, but that offset is not in play in a draft day trade.
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The problem we encounter with Duke in terms of his trade-exchange value is that most teams know that 3rd round RBs like Hunt and Kamara (both earned Offensive Rookie of the Year honors in their respective conferences) and other productive RBa are often found even later enough to dilute such a need to trade for him.
Plus teams know that Duke is no more than an insurance policy for us once Hunt takes the field. That he becomes superfluous.
This can be more than offset by a team's... or teams'... need due to injury, but that offset is not in play in a draft day trade.
Plus teams know that Duke is no more than an insurance policy for us once Hunt takes the field. That he becomes superfluous.
This can be more than offset by a team's... or teams'... need due to injury, but that offset is not in play in a draft day trade.
Exactly! Look no further than how late in the year the Rams decided to add the unemployed veteran C.J. Anderson due to an injury to Gurley. They didn't even have to trade anything to steal him away from the all you can eat buffets. He became quite the pleasant considering it all.
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Market for running backs is not real high for desperate wants via trades. Why trade for one when you can draft one in the third round or up. Then you have free agents. Duke does not warrant another team to trade for him.
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Market for running backs is not real high for desperate wants via trades. Why trade for one when you can draft one in the third round or up. Then you have free agents. Duke does not warrant another team to trade for him.
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Does anyone remember CB Jamar Taylor? At trade, similar in age, Taylor the higher profile position than RB imo.The Browns got J.Taylor in a draft day trade from Mia.. The Browns/Mia. flipped 7th rd. picks, Browns #250.Mia.up to #223..In May of 2018, Dorsey traded J.Taylor to the Cardinals for a 2020 6th rounder..Sorry but we Can't asked for the sky on a 4th round pick asking for a trade..Put Duke in this draft class with a favorable contract till 2022 & we paid his 7.7M guarantees. We hold the cards.. At last count, 12 teams have RB as a draft need. I would add, Dorsey is familiar with 2,naming GB & KC.We have 3 5th.a 6th & 7th flippable.Hillard will have a camp battle on a player to be named later. I could see Dorsey waving Duke out there in a move up attempt in 1st,2nd or 3rd..Once the board has a few true names added to it. We may only see the flipping of picks for Duke..Can't win them all on a player wanting out> Gotta trust JD "that we won't just give the player away" ?
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Does anyone remember CB Jamar Taylor? At trade, similar in age, Taylor the higher profile position than RB imo.The Browns got J.Taylor in a draft day trade from Mia.. The Browns/Mia. flipped 7th rd. picks, Browns #250.Mia.up to #223..In May of 2018, Dorsey traded J.Taylor to the Cardinals for a 2020 6th rounder..Sorry but we Can't asked for the sky on a 4th round pick asking for a trade..Put Duke in this draft class with a favorable contract till 2022 & we paid his 7.7M guarantees. We hold the cards.. At last count, 12 teams have RB as a draft need. I would add, Dorsey is familiar with 2,naming GB & KC.We have 3 5th.a 6th & 7th flippable.Hillard will have a camp battle on a player to be named later. I could see Dorsey waving Duke out there in a move up attempt in 1st,2nd or 3rd..Once the board has a few true names added to it. We may only see the flipping of picks for Duke..Can't win them all on a player wanting out> Gotta trust JD "that we won't just give the player away" ?
Sorry but we Can't asked for the sky on a 4th round pick asking for a trade.
Because he is asking for a trade, we are less in the driver's seat. Teams know that we 'could' have a disgruntled player on our hands. It's common knowledge that Kitchens wasn't overly pleased that Duke didn't show for the 'voluntary' team get-together. By NOT showing up, Duke didn't help his trade value. He would've looked more like a 'team guy'.....that just doesn't fit OUR team anymore. Instead, he looks more like someone who's team may just have to ditch.
we paid his 7.7M guarantees. We hold the cards
....but maybe nobody antis up to see 'em.....thinking that you just may have to throw them in the kitty.
Having said all of this, it's hard for me to diss a guy for wanting to play (somewhere).
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I heard on NFL radio this morning that the host doubts that Dorsey will trade up at all from current #2 position. So use of DJ in a trade may be a moot point. He thought that Dorsey will wait to see a quality player drop to him right there.
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I heard on NFL radio this morning that the host doubts that Dorsey will trade up at all from current #2 position. So use of DJ in a trade may be a moot point. He thought that Dorsey will wait to see a quality player drop to him right there.
I heard on NFL radio this morning that the host doubts that Dorsey will trade up at all from current #2 position. So use of DJ in a trade may be a moot point. He thought that Dorsey will wait to see a quality player drop to him right there.
And you bought that smokescreen?
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I’m sure Duke’s value would go up in the regular season when rosters are more finalized.
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I heard on NFL radio this morning that the host doubts that Dorsey will trade up at all from current #2 position. So use of DJ in a trade may be a moot point. He thought that Dorsey will wait to see a quality player drop to him right there.
And you bought that smokescreen?
And you bought that smokescreen?
Actually he was trying to debunk smokescreens and this was one he thought had no basis (to trade up using Duke). He made the point you could find good RBs now in the 3rd/4th round far cheaper for their first 5 years.
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The ideal place for Duke would a contending team with a wide open offense that has a top RB that is going to miss half the season
He'd probably be real valuable to that team.
Zombo
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The ideal place for Duke would a contending team with a wide open offense that has a top RB that is going to miss half the season
He'd probably be real valuable to that team.
Zombo
Zombo said:
The ideal place for Duke would a contending team with a wide open offense that has a top RB that is going to miss half the season
He'd probably be real valuable to that team.
Zombo
I wonder who the candidates are? Jacksonville?
Or we could trade him to the Cleveland Browns. What kind of draft pick do you think we could get?
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The ideal place for Duke would a contending team with a wide open offense that has a top RB that is going to miss half the season
He'd probably be real valuable to that team.
Zombo
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