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  • I don't get the head ducked when trying to land his initial strike...     Appears to be an ok bender at the knees.   Sometimes has his weight too far out in front of him in pass pro sets though.   Raw tools to be coached up are there. 

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  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    I don't get the head ducked when trying to land his initial strike...     Appears to be an ok bender at the knees.   Sometimes has his weight too far out in front of him in pass pro sets though.   Raw tools to be coached up are there. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    I don't get the head ducked when trying to land his initial strike...     Appears to be an ok bender at the knees.   Sometimes has his weight too far out in front of him in pass pro sets though.   Raw tools to be coached up are there. 

    Think he probably needs to move inside like Bitonio and Corbett?

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  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    I don't get the head ducked when trying to land his initial strike...     Appears to be an ok bender at the knees.   Sometimes has his weight too far out in front of him in pass pro sets though.   Raw tools to be coached up are there. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    I don't get the head ducked when trying to land his initial strike...     Appears to be an ok bender at the knees.   Sometimes has his weight too far out in front of him in pass pro sets though.   Raw tools to be coached up are there. 

    Putting your head down is a mechanism to focus power. I would liken it to a baseball or fastpitch player putting their head down to focus on hitting a pitch, and l’m sure every Olineman does it when needed to fend off a bull rush or other power play. Are you saying he does it too early? And perhaps that mitigates his ability to disengage and reengage on stunts or delayed blitzes?

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @tiamat63 said:

    I don't get the head ducked when trying to land his initial strike...     Appears to be an ok bender at the knees.   Sometimes has his weight too far out in front of him in pass pro sets though.   Raw tools to be coached up are there. 

    Think he probably needs to move inside like Bitonio and Corbett?

    @dutch-oven said:

    Think he probably needs to move inside like Bitonio and Corbett?

    That clip was a very limited sample size designed to make Forbes look as good as possible, but it looked to me like he has the quicks to stay at Tackle. I mean, they basically used him as a pulling Tackle. You don’t really see much of that in the NFL. So l doubt there will be many designed plays where he’s sweeping behind the line to pick up a block on the other side of Center, but it’s a good asset to have. 

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @tiamat63 said:

    I don't get the head ducked when trying to land his initial strike...     Appears to be an ok bender at the knees.   Sometimes has his weight too far out in front of him in pass pro sets though.   Raw tools to be coached up are there. 

    Think he probably needs to move inside like Bitonio and Corbett?

    @dutch-oven said:

    Think he probably needs to move inside like Bitonio and Corbett?

    Looks like it, measurements would indicate that as well.

    @ibleedbrown said:

    Putting your head down is a mechanism to focus power. I would liken it to a baseball or fastpitch player putting their head down to focus on hitting a pitch, and l’m sure every Olineman does it when needed to fend off a bull rush or other power play. Are you saying he does it too early? And perhaps that mitigates his ability to disengage and reengage on stunts or delayed blitzes?

    I mean he does it as he's landing his strike and it's almost like his head titles forward and eyes drop.   So....  that's not ideal.

  • The norm is we keep 8 lineman on the 53..Kush & Lamm should make 7. The squeeze is on Harrison/Witzmann. and neither guys game tape looks that great imo. Lamm is a good swing tackle pick-up..Buys time to get Forbes coached up.. He'll be the first to tell you, he needs pro coaching and sounds coachable. Loads of more film out there now of Forbes..He does have some of the same habits, from tape to tape to get coached out of..most rooks do..He will get his chance..Sometimes that's all it takes 

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  •  I like this guy. The frontrunner for my new favorite player.

  • C calfoxwc

    It's easy to imagine him at tackle - he showed lateral movement to pull very quickly - very smart, very tough, even

    mean every play, blocking a guy right into the ground, and he can go downfield with the rest of the players on the field...

    a steal, I think. These Browns leave no stone unturned, and they know the qualities they are looking for are the right qualities.

    @calfoxwc said:

    It's easy to imagine him at tackle - he showed lateral movement to pull very quickly - very smart, very tough, even

    mean every play, blocking a guy right into the ground, and he can go downfield with the rest of the players on the field...

    a steal, I think. These Browns leave no stone unturned, and they know the qualities they are looking for are the right qualities.

    His 32 5/8" arms will push him inside.  His quickness and agility could move him to center.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • Well we do have such a thing as Practice Squad. Seems the ideal place to develop a late round OL draft choice without wasting a 53 spot.

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    @calfoxwc said:

    It's easy to imagine him at tackle - he showed lateral movement to pull very quickly - very smart, very tough, even

    mean every play, blocking a guy right into the ground, and he can go downfield with the rest of the players on the field...

    a steal, I think. These Browns leave no stone unturned, and they know the qualities they are looking for are the right qualities.

    His 32 5/8" arms will push him inside.  His quickness and agility could move him to center.

    @ballpeen said:

    His 32 5/8" arms will push him inside.  His quickness and agility could move him to center.

    Tell ya what, having a center with quicks that can pull is a rare gift and let's you get pretty creative up front. 

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  • regardless of my imagination, the depth chart at Ourlads shows him backing up Joel Bitonio, which is very cool.

    https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/CLE

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @ballpeen said:

    His 32 5/8" arms will push him inside.  His quickness and agility could move him to center.

    Tell ya what, having a center with quicks that can pull is a rare gift and let's you get pretty creative up front. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    Tell ya what, having a center with quicks that can pull is a rare gift and let's you get pretty creative up front. 

    Which is why NO trade up from 62 to 48 to take C Erik McCoy who was used as an effective pulling center multiple times a game under Jimbo Fisher.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @ballpeen said:

    His 32 5/8" arms will push him inside.  His quickness and agility could move him to center.

    Tell ya what, having a center with quicks that can pull is a rare gift and let's you get pretty creative up front. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    Tell ya what, having a center with quicks that can pull is a rare gift and let's you get pretty creative up front. 

    I agree.  I wasn't saying that as a put down.  I think we need to look at him there as well as guard..

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/30/prospect-x-mystery-draft-sleeper-reveal

    Prospect X revealed ...... drafts biggest sleeper

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  • At least he wasn't prospect XX.

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  • Player X rated #105 of the top 150 players of the NFL Draft, according to the article. Not bad in the sixth. 

    The Browns killed this draft. 

    Odel Beckham Jr.

    Greedy Williams

    Sione Takitaki

    Sheldrick Redwine

    Mack Wilson

    Drew Forbes 

    Plus, many of the UDFA that we signed could have decided to come here to play with us over other teams. Many chances at getting a steal there as well. 

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  • darren15D darren15

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/30/prospect-x-mystery-draft-sleeper-reveal

    Prospect X revealed ...... drafts biggest sleeper

    @darren15 said:

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/30/prospect-x-mystery-draft-sleeper-reveal

    Prospect X revealed ...... drafts biggest sleeper

    " Browns area scout Colton Chapple caught his attention at lunch after his pro day, when he told X that Cleveland doesn’t necessarily think he has to move to guard at the next level, they might give him a chance to develop at tackle—the Browns were the only team to tell him that. "

       Well, I said I easily imagine him being able to play tackle. Seems I'm alone. "short arms, move to OG..." ???

    Arms an INCH shorter? Seriously? I'd rather have that, with very quick feet and excellent balance and power, and work ethic and LOVE for the game....than a guy with a bit sluggish feet and balance, with real long arms.

    BTW, Forbes' arm length is 32 3/4 ". Guess whose arm length was 33 3/4 " ?

    http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Joe&l=Thomas&i=7818

       I admire this guy - he will work himself into success with the Browns. I hope Joe Thomas gets to come and work with him.

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  • 2" of "wingspan" is a big difference, cal... and wingspan is the better measure, IMO.

    This kid flew under my radar, but the 10 split and 3-cone times are impressive for a 300+ OL...

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  • this is Forbes being interviewed - very excellent guy -

    don't be surprised if he starts at RT in the near future.

  • Doubtful his future is at tackle with those t-rex arms

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