Any Holes left to Fill?
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Here I have pasted Zombo's depth chart made after the draft. Tell us where there may still be work to do here in terms of adding and upgrading:
Here is the roster today, new guys in green:
QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton, G. Gilbert
FB/H-B O. Charles
RB N. Chubb, D. Johnson, D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.)
WR1 O. Beckham, A. Callaway, D. Willies, B. Jackson
WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, D .Ratley, J.Strong
TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, S. Devalve, P. Brown
LT G. Robinson, D. Harrison
LG J. Bitonio D. Forbes
C J.Tretter K. Kalis
RG A.Corbett, E. Kush B. Witzmann
RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm B. Seaton
DE M. Garrett, C. Smith, C. Thomas
DT Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D. Lawrence
DT S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price
DE O. Vernon, Zettle,
MLB Schoebert, M. Wilson R. Armstrong
OLB G. Avery, A. Taylor, Hines
OLB C. Kirksey, S. Takitaki
CB D. Ward , T. Carrie, T. Thomas, J.Burris
CB T. Mitchell, G. Williams, D. Lewis, P. Gaines
FS D. Randall, S. Redwine, J Whitehead
SS M. Burnett, E. Murray
K A. Seibert, G. Joseph
P Colquitt
LS Hughlett
KR (Hilliard)
PR (Callaway)
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Questions:
1 perhaps still along the O Line? Will Hubbard, Corbett, Robinson make the grade?
2. I am still not sure that our return game is up to snuff. (of course...will the league ever allow a kickoff to be returned again?)
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Looks like the offensive line may just be adequate whereas most other areas are good at worst?
Or am I being too optimistic?
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Pretty sure Takitaki will move inside.
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Pretty sure Takitaki will move inside.
Pretty sure Takitaki will move inside.
Not so fast my friend.
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Where’s the love for Ray squared? I’m counting on that guy making the 53, and possibly becoming the MLB of the future. It’s a fact that he’s twice the Ray that Ray Lewis ever was.
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If Corbett could have been flipped for any of those available at the top of the 2nd this year, he should have been. And perhaps the Hubbard experiment won't be as kind the second year through. Yes, we have decent passpro at the backup spots - but My .02 says that we'll have problems in the run game this season thanks to the right side of the line getting caved in. And our TE's are never going to be mistaken for Gronk's dominance in the run game.
Last year's OL run block was near the worst in several metrics - and we made that line substantially worse this season by removing Zeitler. We had a epic season from Chubb - and I'd bet on a more reversion-to-the-league-avg season from him this time.
From the link, we were:
18th in average yards directly attributable to the OL
4th from the worst [29th] in % of total rushes stuffed at or behind LOS
Dead last in % of runs converted on 3/4th down with <= 2 yards to go.
In short, just like the Lions with Barry Sanders, we depended all year on Chubb making something out of nothing -- and last season he was actually able to do it. All the yards were thanks to Chubb doing things on his own. I hope he'll be able to repeat, but it's a substantially tougher task given that we're replacing Zeitler with Corbett. As well, note that Kitchens' scheme did not change this.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I see at least 5-6 a day.
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I didn't know you were a gyneocologist.
Voyeur more likely.?
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i wouldnt mind seeing if we could get soloman thomas from SF....maybe in a package for duke. Him and chris smith could develop as very productive backups to our starting DE's.
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If Corbett could have been flipped for any of those available at the top of the 2nd this year, he should have been. And perhaps the Hubbard experiment won't be as kind the second year through. Yes, we have decent passpro at the backup spots - but My .02 says that we'll have problems in the run game this season thanks to the right side of the line getting caved in. And our TE's are never going to be mistaken for Gronk's dominance in the run game.
Last year's OL run block was near the worst in several metrics - and we made that line substantially worse this season by removing Zeitler. We had a epic season from Chubb - and I'd bet on a more reversion-to-the-league-avg season from him this time.
From the link, we were:
18th in average yards directly attributable to the OL
4th from the worst [29th] in % of total rushes stuffed at or behind LOS
Dead last in % of runs converted on 3/4th down with <= 2 yards to go.
In short, just like the Lions with Barry Sanders, we depended all year on Chubb making something out of nothing -- and last season he was actually able to do it. All the yards were thanks to Chubb doing things on his own. I hope he'll be able to repeat, but it's a substantially tougher task given that we're replacing Zeitler with Corbett. As well, note that Kitchens' scheme did not change this.
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If Corbett could have been flipped for any of those available at the top of the 2nd this year, he should have been. And perhaps the Hubbard experiment won't be as kind the second year through. Yes, we have decent passpro at the backup spots - but My .02 says that we'll have problems in the run game this season thanks to the right side of the line getting caved in. And our TE's are never going to be mistaken for Gronk's dominance in the run game.
Last year's OL run block was near the worst in several metrics - and we made that line substantially worse this season by removing Zeitler. We had a epic season from Chubb - and I'd bet on a more reversion-to-the-league-avg season from him this time.
From the link, we were:
18th in average yards directly attributable to the OL
4th from the worst [29th] in % of total rushes stuffed at or behind LOS
Dead last in % of runs converted on 3/4th down with <= 2 yards to go.
In short, just like the Lions with Barry Sanders, we depended all year on Chubb making something out of nothing -- and last season he was actually able to do it. All the yards were thanks to Chubb doing things on his own. I hope he'll be able to repeat, but it's a substantially tougher task given that we're replacing Zeitler with Corbett. As well, note that Kitchens' scheme did not change this.
Really well put together post. We seemed to hear a lot about Chubb’s “yards after contact” last year like it was a feather in the cap, but of course it’s ideal to have that contact happen a little further out than where it tended to be last year. Real good thinking material.
I did like the core of our Oline play last year. Big Bitonio fan. Really liked Zeitler, and really like Tretter, but he seems to eternally play with an ankle sprain.
I feel like l’ve read the phrase “the Hubbard experiment” enough that it irks me. I think he went through his adjustment period early in the season like many a guy would on a new team, but panned out well enough imo that we can remove the “experiment” from his name.
Still, room for improvement. l kinda feel like we’ve laid the groundwork for said improvement though. I’m not counting out Corbett yet, but l still think he needs to get rid of that baby face a grow some scruff. We also signed a few solid vets in the offseason and Forbes could develop into something special. I dunno. I think the groundwork was laid to improve the Oline in an organic fashion, but only time will tell.
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If Corbett could have been flipped for any of those available at the top of the 2nd this year, he should have been. And perhaps the Hubbard experiment won't be as kind the second year through. Yes, we have decent passpro at the backup spots - but My .02 says that we'll have problems in the run game this season thanks to the right side of the line getting caved in. And our TE's are never going to be mistaken for Gronk's dominance in the run game.
Last year's OL run block was near the worst in several metrics - and we made that line substantially worse this season by removing Zeitler. We had a epic season from Chubb - and I'd bet on a more reversion-to-the-league-avg season from him this time.
From the link, we were:
18th in average yards directly attributable to the OL
4th from the worst [29th] in % of total rushes stuffed at or behind LOS
Dead last in % of runs converted on 3/4th down with <= 2 yards to go.
In short, just like the Lions with Barry Sanders, we depended all year on Chubb making something out of nothing -- and last season he was actually able to do it. All the yards were thanks to Chubb doing things on his own. I hope he'll be able to repeat, but it's a substantially tougher task given that we're replacing Zeitler with Corbett. As well, note that Kitchens' scheme did not change this.
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If Corbett could have been flipped for any of those available at the top of the 2nd this year, he should have been. And perhaps the Hubbard experiment won't be as kind the second year through. Yes, we have decent passpro at the backup spots - but My .02 says that we'll have problems in the run game this season thanks to the right side of the line getting caved in. And our TE's are never going to be mistaken for Gronk's dominance in the run game.Last year's OL run block was near the worst in several metrics - and we made that line substantially worse this season by removing Zeitler. We had a epic season from Chubb - and I'd bet on a more reversion-to-the-league-avg season from him this time.From the link, we were:
18th in average yards directly attributable to the OL4th from the worst [29th] in % of total rushes stuffed at or behind LOS
Dead last in % of runs converted on 3/4th down with <= 2 yards to go.
In short, just like the Lions with Barry Sanders, we depended all year on Chubb making something out of nothing -- and last season he was actually able to do it. All the yards were thanks to Chubb doing things on his own. I hope he'll be able to repeat, but it's a substantially tougher task given that we're replacing Zeitler with Corbett. As well, note that Kitchens' scheme did not change this.
Fair enough - except you have to consider the yearly stats vs when Baker Mayfield too the helm, when Chubb got to start, and when Kitchens became head coach.
As usual, there are two sides to this story - https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Board/105323/Contents/Browns-offensive-line-stats-sacks-and-ratings-126926131/
According to the info in the link:
Dec 28, 2018•Currently the #2 overall rated OL by pro football focus.
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•The Browns oldest offensive lineman is Kevin Zeitler at 28 years old. Bitonio=27, Robinson=26, Harrison=25, Tretter=27, Hubbard=27.
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•The Browns offensive line allowed 61 total QB hits through the first 8 weeks of the season.
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•Since week 9, they have allowed a league low 7 total QB hits.
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•Only 5 NFL offensive lineman throughout the NFL have allowed 2 or fewer pressures in all 15 games this season. 3 of those players are on the Cleveland Browns. Bitonio, Tretter, and Zeitler!
.So, from my perspective - our offensive line is going to be just fine.
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took me a bit to find this:
1. Saquon Barkley, Giants
Pick: First round, second pick; second overall
Stats: 131 rushes, 586 yards, 4.5 YPC, five touchdowns; 62 receptions, 530 yards, two touchdowns
2. Nick Chubb, Browns
Pick: Second round, third pick; 35th overall
Stats: 94 rushes, 579 yards, 6.2 YPC, five touchdowns; six receptions, 48 yards, one touchdown
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and THAT is with OBJ with the Giants. Wait til you get a load of Jarvis Landry and OBJ, and co. You can't run if you can't
throw. Kitchens and Baker and the boys opened that up, but not til later on in the season. Nick had as many TD's as Barkley, and
comparing Chubb's late start 94 rushes to Barkley's 131 rushes, Barkley only ran for 7 more yards.
No worries from me about the offensive line. If it's a problem, I'll be shocked.
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Am signed up for the questionable OL rebuild till the Pad's start Poppin..But The Dorse, did sign 2 guys that started to get to there higher upsides..Eric Kush gave up zero sacks & only 3 hurries on 218 passpro snaps last season. Houston had a 60 plus sack OL, but Kendall Lamm was reported to be Houston's best in passpro..Landry won't let Lamm puss-out on run blocking..Corbett might want to grow out of that baby face..
Tank Top Friday's..comes to The Land..relax, till the pads come on
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One date to keep in mind is Next Wednesday, 5/8. After Tuesday, none of the free agent signings go against compensatory picks. Thus, if the browns wanted to sign Suh for $18 mil for 1 year, it would not count against their compensatory chances. I think Dorsey is going to make a move with someone then to help finish off the Roster and the league overall is going to see a flurry of signings.
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Still available:
PLAYER (300 OF 321)POS.AGEFROMTOYRSDOLLARSAAVTOTAL GTDGTD AT SIGN2019 CAPPOTENTIAL OUTEzekiel Ansah DE 30 DET TBD Market Value Ndamukong Suh DT 32 LAR TBD Market Value Eric Berry SS 30 KC TBD - Jamie Collins OLB 29 CLE TBD - Nick Perry OLB 29 GB TBD - Corey Liuget DT 29 LAC TBD - Josh McCown QB 40 NYJ TBD - T.J. Lang G 31 DET TBD - Pierre Garcon WR 33 SF TBD - Donald Penn RT 36 OAK TBD - Rob Gronkowski TE 30 NE TBD - Ryan Kalil C 34 CAR TBD - Andre Branch DE 30 MIA TBD - Zach Brown ILB 29 WAS TBD - Andy Levitre G 33 ATL TBD - Max Unger C 33 NO TBD - Jordy Nelson WR 34 OAK TBD - Brent Grimes CB 36 TB TBD - Jermaine Gresham TE 31 ARI TBD
Morris Claiborne CB 29 NYJ TBD - Jared Veldheer RT 32 DEN TBD - Darian Stewart FS 31 DEN TBD - Michael Crabtree WR 31 BAL TBD - Derrick Morgan OLB 33 TEN TBD - Josh Sitton G 33 MIA TBD - Glover Quin FS 33 DET TBD - Jermey Parnell RT 33 JAC TBD - Ryan Schraeder RT 31 ATL TBD - Allen Bailey DT 30 KC TBD - John Cyprien SS 29 TEN TBD - Dion Sims TE 28 CHI TBD - Mike Remmers RT 30 MIN TBD - Kyle Williams DT 36 BUF TBD - Rashaan Melvin CB 29 OAK TBD - Kurt Coleman FS 31 NO TBD - John Sullivan C 34 LAR TBD - Stacy McGee DT 29 WAS TBD - Muhammad Wilkerson DT 30 GB TBD - Andre Hal FS 27 HOU TBD - Michael Johnson DE 32 CIN TBD - Jermaine Kearse WR 29 NYJ TBD
J/K
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