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    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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    looks loke it would be duke going to TB for mccoy if it happens. Well, Dukes been wantin out and u cant blame him....this could be win win. If Mccoy is splitting reps with the other two...u could see a return to his old productivity when he's on the field. 

    ummm......if this goes down wtf are we going to do as a collective fan base till sept? im already like cartman waiting for this fucking season....

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      Curious as to how the log jam at interior Dline would play out in Mr Doerschuk's mind.

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      @tiamat63 said:

      Curious as to how the log jam at interior Dline would play out in Mr Doerschuk's mind.

      Those big guys can wear down after playing 19 games...solid rotation to keep them fresh ?

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        @tiamat63 said:

        Curious as to how the log jam at interior Dline would play out in Mr Doerschuk's mind.

        Those big guys can wear down after playing 19 games...solid rotation to keep them fresh ?

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        @choco said:

        Those big guys can wear down after playing 19 games...solid rotation to keep them fresh ?

        ic what u did there......i like it. I like it alot

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          Real chance Gerald McCoy is Dorsey's next notable addition.

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            Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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            According to the report, the Bucs may have an interest in Browns running back Duke Johnson. #Bucs #Buccaneers @Buccaneers #Browns @Browns @NFLSTROUD @CantonRepdotcom @TB_Times

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               This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT.  Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31..

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                 This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT.  Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31..

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                @gumby73 said:

                 This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT.  Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31..

                They drafted Vita Vea as DT last year in the firat round I believe.

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                  31? That's kind of old eh? Duke and a 3rd for McCoy and a 2nd.

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                  Duke and a fourth for McCoy and a 3rd and 5th. 

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                     This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT.  Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31..

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                    @gumby73 said:

                     This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT.  Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31..

                    The bold says it all.... 

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                    31? That's kind of old eh? Duke and a 3rd for McCoy and a 2nd.

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                    Duke and a fourth for McCoy and a 3rd and 5th. 

                    This was discussed on Red Zone tonight Po.  This isn't Madden. Besides the age factor, McCoy is scheduled to make $13 million this year. We're not gonna cough up that much dough for a guy who would be a rotational player.  It would completely blow the cap to trade for him. Looking at Spotrac, the Jags can flat out cut him ($0 dead cap), so if that comes to pass we can make him an offer on a one year deal, keep Duke, and probably pay him less than 1\2 of his current contract.  PS, the bane of Colt McCoy (Ndamukong Suh) is still out there as a FA- apparently he's not willing to work cheap.  🙂    

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                      C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by Clevfan4life
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                      ok, 13m for mccoy right now is maybe too steep unless he's willing to restructure. Heres another thought....the 9'ers are looking to moce soloman thomas..forner #3 pick. 2 years left on his rookie deal. 6'3 280 is a nice rotational DE type who could play inside on certain downs. Maybe we can develop him better than SF, i dunno....just a thought.

                      But we could send duke to SF for him plus more potentially. 

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                        @gumby73 said:

                         This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT.  Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31..

                        The bold says it all.... 

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                        31? That's kind of old eh? Duke and a 3rd for McCoy and a 2nd.

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                        Duke and a fourth for McCoy and a 3rd and 5th. 

                        This was discussed on Red Zone tonight Po.  This isn't Madden. Besides the age factor, McCoy is scheduled to make $13 million this year. We're not gonna cough up that much dough for a guy who would be a rotational player.  It would completely blow the cap to trade for him. Looking at Spotrac, the Jags can flat out cut him ($0 dead cap), so if that comes to pass we can make him an offer on a one year deal, keep Duke, and probably pay him less than 1\2 of his current contract.  PS, the bane of Colt McCoy (Ndamukong Suh) is still out there as a FA- apparently he's not willing to work cheap.  🙂    

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                        gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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                        @hoorta said:

                         It would completely blow the cap to trade for him. Looking at Spotrac,    

                        maybe it's just me? but i never sweat on the cap money while loading up on paying 90 guys. Cuts to 53 with 10-12 on PS. I watch money guarantees,that could hit cap if cut. We have what's known as "roster money eaters", that only get their salary if not cut..We could take on a 1 year show me deal on McCoy,Chris Harris or a Zach Brown deal..no need to pay a high dollar on Suh or Ansah as non-rotational imo..if were still paying Depot, to do something? it's his money book, not mine.. I'd take the hit on McCoy's age factor, if TB is willing to pay Duke off our books of what's owed on our books for Duke.. Just as Draft..Dorsey sits in the driver's seat. And Coach Kitchen is handling this like a players champ.. 

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                          C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by Clevfan4life
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                          ansah still hasnt signed anywhere? well, i was high on ansah before we signed vernon...ansah's starter money so not gonna pay that now. 9'ers are shopping siloman thomas who's got 2 more years left on rookie deal....dorsey oughta look at that. 

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                            @gumby73 said:

                             This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT.  Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31..

                            The bold says it all.... 

                            @poeticg said:

                            31? That's kind of old eh? Duke and a 3rd for McCoy and a 2nd.

                            Or- 

                            Duke and a fourth for McCoy and a 3rd and 5th. 

                            This was discussed on Red Zone tonight Po.  This isn't Madden. Besides the age factor, McCoy is scheduled to make $13 million this year. We're not gonna cough up that much dough for a guy who would be a rotational player.  It would completely blow the cap to trade for him. Looking at Spotrac, the Jags can flat out cut him ($0 dead cap), so if that comes to pass we can make him an offer on a one year deal, keep Duke, and probably pay him less than 1\2 of his current contract.  PS, the bane of Colt McCoy (Ndamukong Suh) is still out there as a FA- apparently he's not willing to work cheap.  🙂    

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                            chocoC choco wrote on last edited by
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                            @hoorta said:

                            The bold says it all.... 

                            This was discussed on Red Zone tonight Po.  This isn't Madden. Besides the age factor, McCoy is scheduled to make $13 million this year. We're not gonna cough up that much dough for a guy who would be a rotational player.  It would completely blow the cap to trade for him. Looking at Spotrac, the Jags can flat out cut him ($0 dead cap), so if that comes to pass we can make him an offer on a one year deal, keep Duke, and probably pay him less than 1\2 of his current contract.  PS, the bane of Colt McCoy (Ndamukong Suh) is still out there as a FA- apparently he's not willing to work cheap.  🙂    

                            duke getting 5m this year, so it'd be an offset of 8m to have, literally, the best DL in the league.  even at 31 he graded out very well last year, and as part of a rotation his usage should decrease a bit helping with health and longevity.  ogun played injured for 6 games last year, out of necessity.  that cannot happen again.

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                              @hoorta said:

                              The bold says it all.... 

                              This was discussed on Red Zone tonight Po.  This isn't Madden. Besides the age factor, McCoy is scheduled to make $13 million this year. We're not gonna cough up that much dough for a guy who would be a rotational player.  It would completely blow the cap to trade for him. Looking at Spotrac, the Jags can flat out cut him ($0 dead cap), so if that comes to pass we can make him an offer on a one year deal, keep Duke, and probably pay him less than 1\2 of his current contract.  PS, the bane of Colt McCoy (Ndamukong Suh) is still out there as a FA- apparently he's not willing to work cheap.  🙂    

                              duke getting 5m this year, so it'd be an offset of 8m to have, literally, the best DL in the league.  even at 31 he graded out very well last year, and as part of a rotation his usage should decrease a bit helping with health and longevity.  ogun played injured for 6 games last year, out of necessity.  that cannot happen again.

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                              tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                              @choco said:

                              duke getting 5m this year, so it'd be an offset of 8m to have, literally, the best DL in the league.  even at 31 he graded out very well last year, and as part of a rotation his usage should decrease a bit helping with health and longevity.  ogun played injured for 6 games last year, out of necessity.  that cannot happen again.

                              Are we willing to pay a larger price for a rotational player/part time starter? 

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                              ansah still hasnt signed anywhere? well, i was high on ansah before we signed vernon...ansah's starter money so not gonna pay that now. 9'ers are shopping siloman thomas who's got 2 more years left on rookie deal....dorsey oughta look at that. 

                              Thomas is an interesting name. I know coaches love the redemption card and I'll admit I thought he would be good at the NFL level. Kid flashed all the tools at Stanford.     Having said that,  I don't think the Niners would want a 5th rounder for him and to that point - would he even beat out Zettel for the base end-interior slide guy sub package spot? 

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                                @gumby73 said:

                                 This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT.  Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31..

                                The bold says it all.... 

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                                31? That's kind of old eh? Duke and a 3rd for McCoy and a 2nd.

                                Or- 

                                Duke and a fourth for McCoy and a 3rd and 5th. 

                                This was discussed on Red Zone tonight Po.  This isn't Madden. Besides the age factor, McCoy is scheduled to make $13 million this year. We're not gonna cough up that much dough for a guy who would be a rotational player.  It would completely blow the cap to trade for him. Looking at Spotrac, the Jags can flat out cut him ($0 dead cap), so if that comes to pass we can make him an offer on a one year deal, keep Duke, and probably pay him less than 1\2 of his current contract.  PS, the bane of Colt McCoy (Ndamukong Suh) is still out there as a FA- apparently he's not willing to work cheap.  🙂    

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                                @hoorta said:

                                 PS, the bane of Colt McCoy (Ndamukong Suh) is still out there as a FA- apparently he's not willing to work cheap.  🙂    

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                                  @choco said:

                                  duke getting 5m this year, so it'd be an offset of 8m to have, literally, the best DL in the league.  even at 31 he graded out very well last year, and as part of a rotation his usage should decrease a bit helping with health and longevity.  ogun played injured for 6 games last year, out of necessity.  that cannot happen again.

                                  Are we willing to pay a larger price for a rotational player/part time starter? 

                                  @clevfan4life said:

                                  ansah still hasnt signed anywhere? well, i was high on ansah before we signed vernon...ansah's starter money so not gonna pay that now. 9'ers are shopping siloman thomas who's got 2 more years left on rookie deal....dorsey oughta look at that. 

                                  Thomas is an interesting name. I know coaches love the redemption card and I'll admit I thought he would be good at the NFL level. Kid flashed all the tools at Stanford.     Having said that,  I don't think the Niners would want a 5th rounder for him and to that point - would he even beat out Zettel for the base end-interior slide guy sub package spot? 

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                                  chocoC choco wrote on last edited by
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                                  @tiamat63 said:

                                  Are we willing to pay a larger price for a rotational player/part time starter? 

                                  provided the cap implications do not prevent the team from signing one of the core draftees, i dont see why not. as dorsey said recently..."cant have too many good football players".  richardson and ogun cant play every snap...someone else has to play significant snaps, and current options are coley, thomas, price, smith, or davis.  mccoy carries no dead money hit, so they can always cut bait if needed. 

                                  consistent pressure from the front four will make this defense very formidable.  

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                                    If the trade is Duke for McCoy we are going to need a 3rd running back after Chubb and Hilliard until Hunt returns

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                                      PFF analysis

                                      Yes, he's still top30, and would be solid but not spectacular.

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                                        Ndamakong Suh is still available as a FA......he had a fairly productive year last year with the Rams.   As a rotational DT....he could have value, at the right salary  (and how much can he demand now?)

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                                          Ndamakong Suh is still available as a FA......he had a fairly productive year last year with the Rams.   As a rotational DT....he could have value, at the right salary  (and how much can he demand now?)

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                                          @the-gipper said:

                                          Ndamakong Suh is still available as a FA......he had a fairly productive year last year with the Rams.   As a rotational DT....he could have value, at the right salary  (and how much can he demand now?)

                                          he'll want a hefty price. He wont come to clev to be a rotation guy either. 

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