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  • @flugel said:

    Exactly. They did draft DT Vita Vea  in round 1 of 2018. Ironically, he had a nagging leg injury that kept him sidelined for the first 5-6 weeks or so. Then he had to gradually increase his reps. Near the end of the season - he started to look like the solid starter they hoped he'd be.  More irony?  He might even be better suited to play NT when they switch to a 3-4 under Todd Bowles in 2019. He's not Buster Hymen with the penetration; but he'll fill 2 gaps real good according to Miss Behavin...

    This really doesn't matter so much anymore under Bowles.    He's a 1gap aggressive disciple kind of like Rex Ryan minus being so rigid in his player assignments - Heck of a defensive mind.    

    @tiamat63 said:

    This really doesn't matter so much anymore under Bowles.    He's a 1gap aggressive disciple kind of like Rex Ryan minus being so rigid in his player assignments - Heck of a defensive mind.    

    Good point Tia!  Bowles DOES use a lot of 1 gap in his 3-4 especially when he's had the personnel to green light it.  For example, when he took over the DC position in Arizona - he made a lot of guys upfront really happy he didn't square peg the round hole Horton preferred to do all the time.  Your better Coordinators don't stay married to 1 scheme for an alignment.  That was a big reason he was hired by the Jets that got stale with Rex's preferred schematics in the 3-4. Bowles will vary the 1-gap vrs 2-gap schemes up front depending on personnel as well wide side of field/formations faced.  Pettine said he didn't always agree with Rex when he was his DC either. 

    All that said, Vita Vea will be on the Nose in Tampa. Now I have to edit the rest because I got it all wrong yesterday. Vea isn't best suited for 2 gap Meat and Greet at line of scrimmage.  He's actually best suited for 1 gap Beat and Eat in the backfield. Here's the pre-draft scouting report reflecting this:

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    • Vita Vea, 6-5/332
       
    • Defensive Tackle
       
    • Washington
    Vita Vea Scouting Report
    By Charlie Campbell
     

    Strengths:

    • Surprising athleticism
    • Explosive defender
    • Good instincts
    • Very disruptive
    • Physical force at the point of attack
    • Tough run defender who can hold his gap
    • Excellent run defender
    • Good burst off the snap
    • Has some pass-rushing skills
    • Collapses the pocket
    • Can destroys guards and centers with a bull rush
    • Flashes speed to run by them
    • Very strong
    • Very quick for his size
    • Closes well for a heavy tackle
    • Ability to shed blocks
    • Frees up edge rushers, linebackers
    • Can play with good leverage
    • Uses bull rush to push the pocket
    • Perfect fit as a 3-4 nose tackle
    • Good fit as a 4-3 tackle
    • Eats up double teams
    • Good motor
    • Gives a second effort
    • Awareness
    • Upside
  • AxeA Axe

    @the-gipper said:

    Are you saying he may be dumped even without a trade?  

    Yep.

    The Bucs need space just to sign rookies. General consensus is he and, or JPP are gone. They need approx 9-11 mil depending upon who you believe to sign their draft class. 

    @axe said:

    Yep.

    The Bucs need space just to sign rookies. General consensus is he and, or JPP are gone. They need approx 9-11 mil depending upon who you believe to sign their draft class. 

    Indeed they do, maybe dump both. They're at a negative $13 million according to Spotrac, dumping McCoy at least clears that up.  The scary thing from a Browns perspective is with all the (pricey) talent Dorsey brought in- is we can finally say "We're #1!!!"   in active contract dollars. Not kidding.   

  • @axe said:

    Yep.

    The Bucs need space just to sign rookies. General consensus is he and, or JPP are gone. They need approx 9-11 mil depending upon who you believe to sign their draft class. 

    Indeed they do, maybe dump both. They're at a negative $13 million according to Spotrac, dumping McCoy at least clears that up.  The scary thing from a Browns perspective is with all the (pricey) talent Dorsey brought in- is we can finally say "We're #1!!!"   in active contract dollars. Not kidding.   

    @hoorta said:

    Indeed they do, maybe dump both. They're at a negative $13 million according to Spotrac, dumping McCoy at least clears that up.  The scary thing from a Browns perspective is with all the (pricey) talent Dorsey brought in- is we can finally say "We're #1!!!"   in active contract dollars. Not kidding.   

    The amazing thing is Jason Licht still has His GM job with Bucs considering he has a 27-53 record during his tenure with the Bucs AND has guided them into Cap Hell..

    I am a Bucs and Browns fan.. I have much higher hopes for the Browns this yr.. The league has already apologized to the Bucs for their schedule this yr 🙁 They are away from home for 6 weeks including 2 west coast trips and a fooking home game in London..  Week 3, The Browns will beat the Bucs in Tampa.

  • DT Gerald McCoy now cut in Tampa Bay.. let the bidding begin ?..McCoy is a former Sooner 

  • There's a shocker 😉

    As I said at the top of the page. McCoy is now gone and JPP is most likely gone for the year with the neck injury ..

    Bucfuckened the Bucs are ....

  • AxeA Axe

    There's a shocker 😉

    As I said at the top of the page. McCoy is now gone and JPP is most likely gone for the year with the neck injury ..

    Bucfuckened the Bucs are ....

    @axe said:

    There's a shocker 😉

    Bucfuckened the Bucs are ....

    LOL ^^ you were so right..twitter has gone ape'chit ? no wonder Bruce Arians only job was for Cleveland😉

  • He's not what he used to be but he's still a solid player.. Just doesn't fit the new scheme and certainly not for $16 mil..

    He could help the Browns tho

  • jay glazer thinks 7-9M he will go to a team set-up to win now. McCoy waffled that volley with, he wants to play 3 to 4 more years.. there's some 'agent up' talk for ya

  • So.. we sit 4th in cap space 33.3M..#3 the 49'ers= 35.3M..#2 the Texans= 41M & Indy #1 with = 58.5M..Some rookies are not all signed, so numbers may flux.The Colts certainly do have a need at DT & their media is all over this already.. McCoy has been working out in Cali & is ready to roll..Most Vet Camps don't start till June..stay tuned

  • OBJ said “Cleveland” on the reported news?  It wouldn’t hurt to add a guy like McCoy at the right price

  • OBJ said “Cleveland” on the reported news?  It wouldn’t hurt to add a guy like McCoy at the right price

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    OBJ said “Cleveland” on the reported news?  It wouldn’t hurt to add a guy like McCoy at the right price

    it would make our DL rotation stupid. Plus it would also allow us to run 34 looks...have a few games where Myles and Vernon aren't in there all the time. We have a big 2 gap NT so those 3 DL rotating in would be a nice change of looks and give some of our 43 guys a break on reps. 

  • Bucs have signed his replacement quick enough, bringing in Suh on a one year deal 

  • Not many 2019 "contenders" with McCoy cap space... maybe Eagles or Seahawks.

    Then it's a handful of "teams on the rise".

  •  This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT.  Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31..

    @gumby73 said:

     This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT.  Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31..

    I would be very surprised.

  • Why does this McCoy mess have New England at a low price written all over it? 🙁

  • AxeA Axe

    Why does this McCoy mess have New England at a low price written all over it? 🙁

    @axe said:

    Why does this McCoy mess have New England at a low price written all over it? 🙁

    Didn't they just resign Danny Shelton?

  • Bucs have signed his replacement quick enough, bringing in Suh on a one year deal 

    @londonbrown said:

    Bucs have signed his replacement quick enough, bringing in Suh on a one year deal 

    Question is- how are they going to afford him? PR move? 

  • Details of Shelton's resigning -- summary: 1 yr for the veteran minimum plus some small potential bonuses. 

    2019 Shelton is now your Jeopardy answer to the question "Who Replaced Ted Karras On The Pats Roster"

  • Pats just resigned Edelman & Shelton.(team friendly of course, just as J. Collins) Brady was up next but man they are expecting more chicken salad from Scarneckia now with both Tackle positions very slim..If McCoy wants to start & play he goes to Saints,Colts,Rams or Philly next to Flecher Cox (what a nightmare) He could choose rotational teams, with about 5 more clubs including us..

  • https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/browns/report-myles-garrett-says-browns-dont-need-gerald-mccoy-happy-with-current-defensive-tackles

    I agree with Myles. Besides, if all he wants to do with go with a team that is winning already ....heck with him.