DA @ 31st in NFL, over Thigpen, Griese, and Fitzpatrick...
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seriously this isnt even a debate all DA does is throw 5 to 12 yard passes at receivers feet, behind them, and where they will get laid out (EX. Josh Cribbs, Washington, 'nough said) Im not saying brady will win every game but he wont make the dumb mistakes, and poor plays DA makes on a constant basis. WE NEED CHANGE, THE GOLDEN ARM STRAIGHT OUTTA OHIO, WHO GROW UP WATCHING THE ONE AND ONLY BERNIE KOSAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT SOME DUMBASS HICK FROM A SMALL TOWN IN OREGON WHO LAUGHS WHEN HE MAKES DUMB PLAYS.
ps. as for K2 God bless him and everything he says. its about time somebody spoke out to this bull s*** management style of lets watch DA ruin our team, punish our franchise players, watch a passive "coach" sit there without emotion, and ruin great talent we have!
GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we need bill cowher!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Savage is showcasing him so that they can dump him after the season. There is no other explanation as to why he is playing.The real explanation is that DA is just better than BQ. If you think there is any other reason he is playing, and especially if you think that any NFL team in NFL history has ever considered starting a lesser player at any position just to "showcase" that player in hopes for a little extra trade value, then you have a load of shit in your pants.
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I appreciate the fact that a third string QB came in last year and played very well when our opponents had no film on him, but last year is over and I see ZERO growth. Any coach who plays man against DA should be fired because he is INCAPABLE of reading a zone.Good point, and we could go tit-for-tat on every 'excuse' as to why the passing game, and at times the running game, and/or protection, and over-all execution, and play calling of the offense has been inconsistient at best. But you touched on a very legit point about defenses now having a read on him and have adjusted and forced him to play a weakness ... but why are you so afraid to let him work through that and counter that by making our own adjustments and becoming more familiar with what defenses are forcing him to do and get an opportunity to over-come it?
Did the NFL defenses give up and all go to their second stringers when DA had the upper hand on them last season?
Four years my ass ... the kid was handed the keys last year in week #2 and has had one off-season as the token starter. He's what made Joe Thomas the legend he was his rookie year, he's who made Braylon a household name, who distributed the ball to Winslow to tie Ozzie Newsomes record. Anderson is that guy who finishes in the top-20, as in 5th in TD's, 9th-in yards, 8th-attempts & 9th in completions, 3rd in pass completitons over 20+ yards all last season ... He's been there, something no one else in this organization has even remotely come close to in 20+ years. Funny, but no one is talking much about Joe Thomas and our O-line this season. Jamal Lewis sure ain't walking in from the one yardline behind this line. Winlsow being called everything but the best TE in football, infact he's hasn't even gotten the label of best TE on the Browns one year removed, and Braylon drops everything but his bad concentration habits. DA was the key last year and he's trying to carry these same players again this year. Ever get the thought that maybe Chud's first year schemes in play calling have been figured out too? That Braylon's had adjustments to stop him, that perhaps Winslow is being more double teamed in Joe J's absense? That more film is available on Joe Thomas too? More film on Josh Cribbs return game? More film on uses for Jerome Harrison? Why does it always have to be all about DA?
He's had errant passes, He's been picked, he's had trouble still with the short game even though focus was put into that area of need all off-season, his release point on short passes is too low - causing blocked passes ... too many blocked passes. All the while he isn't even throwing the ball deep, which was his biggest asset in 2007. I know all of that ... I still like the kid, I've seen him do what I didn't see all them other hill-jacks we've paraded out there since 1999 do.
I'll go with the guy who's been there before, even if it's only been half the time. He's still young, I believe he will get better and more consistient. I'm not ready to see what Brady Couch can do ... I really could care less. If he don't want to stick around and wait his turn, that's his freaking problem, he's collected over $5-mil this season so boo-f'ing-hoo. He's waited 20 games, we've all waited nine years (if not a lifetime). If that attitude makes me a "Non true fan" then so-be-it.
When baby Quinn is born, give his a kiss on his soft little noggin for me. Congrats to you and your girl.
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I appreciate the fact that a third string QB came in last year and played very well when our opponents had no film on him, but last year is over and I see ZERO growth. Any coach who plays man against DA should be fired because he is INCAPABLE of reading a zone.Good point, and we could go tit-for-tat on every 'excuse' as to why the passing game, and at times the running game, and/or protection, and over-all execution, and play calling of the offense has been inconsistient at best. But you touched on a very legit point about defenses now having a read on him and have adjusted and forced him to play a weakness ... but why are you so afraid to let him work through that and counter that by making our own adjustments and becoming more familiar with what defenses are forcing him to do and get an opportunity to over-come it?
Did the NFL defenses give up and all go to their second stringers when DA had the upper hand on them last season?
Four years my ass ... the kid was handed the keys last year in week #2 and has had one off-season as the token starter. He's what made Joe Thomas the legend he was his rookie year, he's who made Braylon a household name, who distributed the ball to Winslow to tie Ozzie Newsomes record. Anderson is that guy who finishes in the top-20, as in 5th in TD's, 9th-in yards, 8th-attempts & 9th in completions, 3rd in pass completitons over 20+ yards all last season ... He's been there, something no one else in this organization has even remotely come close to in 20+ years. Funny, but no one is talking much about Joe Thomas and our O-line this season. Jamal Lewis sure ain't walking in from the one yardline behind this line. Winlsow being called everything but the best TE in football, infact he's hasn't even gotten the label of best TE on the Browns one year removed, and Braylon drops everything but his bad concentration habits. DA was the key last year and he's trying to carry these same players again this year. Ever get the thought that maybe Chud's first year schemes in play calling have been figured out too? That Braylon's had adjustments to stop him, that perhaps Winslow is being more double teamed in Joe J's absense? That more film is available on Joe Thomas too? More film on Josh Cribbs return game? More film on uses for Jerome Harrison? Why does it always have to be all about DA?
He's had errant passes, He's been picked, he's had trouble still with the short game even though focus was put into that area of need all off-season, his release point on short passes is too low - causing blocked passes ... too many blocked passes. All the while he isn't even throwing the ball deep, which was his biggest asset in 2007. I know all of that ... I still like the kid, I've seen him do what I didn't see all them other hill-jacks we've paraded out there since 1999 do.
I'll go with the guy who's been there before, even if it's only been half the time. He's still young, I believe he will get better and more consistient. I'm not ready to see what Brady Couch can do ... I really could care less. If he don't want to stick around and wait his turn, that's his freaking problem, he's collected over $5-mil this season so boo-f'ing-hoo. He's waited 20 games, we've all waited nine years (if not a lifetime). If that attitude makes me a "Non true fan" then so-be-it.
When baby Quinn is born, give his a kiss on his soft little noggin for me. Congrats to you and your girl.
Keep playing a QB that cost the team wins. Good call. I don't care who the back up is either. Da is nothing more than a good back up in this league. Great job againist pitt,balt, and wash.
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Overthrowing Ali in the end zone when there is not a soul around him?Twice inside the red zone and he can't hit open receivers.
Didn't Anderson stick a TD pass into Stallworths bread basket on one drive and Jamal Lewis take in another?
How did we get into those scoring positions again?
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I think that the reason that the Browns stick with DA is simple. At this time he gives them the best chance to win. That means at this time he is better suited to start than the backup. For better or worse he is the Browns best option. The backup might intrigue the fans but apparantly does not intrigue the coaches enough to start him.
This is the NFL and the head coaches head is on the line every year. You play to win and to win now. Very few if any organization have the patience with coaches that the Steelers have. What have they had 3 coaches in 30 years?
The other reason that DA is prolly starting is games like the Giants game. When as Steve Young put it, when DA plays like that he is a TOP 5 QB in this league. That means he has potential, and it was not against a weak team. YES DA needs more consitency. Drive you crazy that he can play like he did in the giants game and then play like he did against Washington (though didn't he play better in the fourth trying to put them in position to win?).
What you want to see out of DA is about 5 out of 10 games like he had against the giants (not 1 out of 10), 3 out of 10 like against Jacksonville and only 2 out of 10 subpar games (he has had 4 or 5 this year). He is young and needs to show improvement and more consitency. He has not showed this as of yet but he keeps showing it when you least expect.
People say DA can't handle pressure, well to tell you the truth I think you should tell him his job is on the line every week. Because it seems when his job is on the line he plays well. Last year 0 wins VS playoff teams, this year 2 wins vs playoff teams. He can play, he just needs to be more consitenant so that you know what you are going to get.
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All I know is last year, when he was playing good, we needed a win in crunch time against the bengals and DA played a crap game. If you want to win championships you have to step up when the pressure is on, DA crumpled.
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All I know is last year, when he was playing good, we needed a win in crunch time against the bengals and DA played a crap game. If you want to win championships you have to step up when the pressure is on, DA crumpled.Ok, he went 10-5 instead on 11-4 ... seems to me that you have to win ten games in order to be called a choker.
He's 13-9 since being handed the team in week #2. He hasn't been injured, he suits up every game, and 13-9 is about the equivilent of finishing a complete season 10-6 or 9-7 ... that's improvement from before he took over folks.
I apologize for pointing this out to you all ... I obvioiusly ain't a 'true fan', where should I turn in my Browns Backer card?
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The games he has lost, he has lost them big, making horrible throws and bad decisions. Do you really want to finally make it to the playoffs and have a choke artist under center? I dont know about you but to me that Cinci game told alot about how DA is going to and does handle pressure. You need the QB that wants the ball in the last 2 min to win the game not the guy throwing the pick. I hope Im wrong about DA but we have seen alot of evidance of what to expect. We win these next 2 games and all will be forgoten and this debate will be for nought, if he goes out and chokes well we get to say what we have been saying for years "Next Year"
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You are going to call a QB a choke artist because of a bad game in his first real full time season? If that is the case almost every QB in the league is a choke artist. Of course many of those first year starting QBs (not first year in league) did keep playing and ended up not being choke artists. I know DA choked against cincy, but he does have a number of come from behind games and this is really only his second season of significant playing time.
It just seems to me that every time DAs job is on the line he seems to play well. So keep him on edge and make him feel BQ press him. Make him perform or bench him.
Just seems that there must be a reason that the coaching staff is sticking with DA and not going with BQ. Maybe they feel DA has more upside? I know people on the board don't but we don't make the decisions. I guess I have to defer to the people that see them both play everyday. Because if it was me I would have started BQ against the Bengals.
Here is too hoping the people that get paid to make football decisions know more than we do.
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I don’t think you should waste your time hoping that the people that make the decision know what they are doing. It’s a fact that they know more then any poster on this board. If they thought for a minute that BQ the Doamer was better, he would be playing. He’s not, so he isn’t. When he’s better he will play. The lowest man on the totem pole always thinks the guy at the top of the pole is an idiot. Posters bitch and moan (that’s what boards are for) but their opinions are generally worth what they are getting paid for their posts. Which is uhhhh,,, nothing. So, keep the faith and root, root, root for the home team. The Browns will get better and then what will you have to complain about. I doubt we will be in the big one this year, but we will in a few more years. And DA will be the one that gets us there. But, like most of you, I could be wrong.
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The other reason that DA is prolly starting is games like the Giants game. When as Steve Young put it, when DA plays like that he is a TOP 5 QB in this league.By Steve Youngs' logic, Thigpen after this week is also a Top 5 QB in this league.
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Really, I never heard Steve say that. I am not saying DA is a top 5 QB obviously. I am saying that he shows the ability to be but only if he becomes much more consistant. But really the bottom line is that the coaches are around these players everyday and it seems that they believe that DA is the QB that gives the Browns the best chance to win right now.
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I'll admit I was one of the guys wanting to see DA sit. But when you think about it, the coaches see the QB's every day, every day. Like someone else here said, we don't have ALL the info.
The one guy I know who hasn't helped DA's cause at all is BE. If he makes that catch against Dallas when he split the DB's. Not only a different complection to that game but definitely changes the whole start of the season. That play made me almost puke. WR's might short arm a pass over the middle but BE short-arms a catch with nothing but the endzone ahead of him. If anyone needs to be consistant it's our so-called "Marquis" reciever.
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I'll admit I was one of the guys wanting to see DA sit. But when you think about it, the coaches see the QB's every day, every day. Like someone else here said, we don't have ALL the info.You mean the same coaches who picked Frye as the starting QB last season and ended up starting DA by default. Yeah, I put 100% faith in them.
Face it, Derek Anderson is fools gold. I thought he sucked last year, and then eventually as the season progressed, maybe at the 6th game or so, I was starting to come around and found myself doubting my football knowledge, and my eyes, as DA seemed to be getting it done. Then the second half of the season took place and I realized I should always trust myself. I was fooled, for a while ....but I won't continue to be a fool, and be satisfied with the pure shit I see on the field each week. We need a real pro QB, and if it's not Quinn, then Savage should be shot for not trading him away when his asking price would be the highest. Two 1st round picks we were offered for Quinn. You couldn't get a 4th round out of DA. Savage seems to be making the same mistakes ....buy low, sell high Phil ...how hard is it? You have had two opportunities to get amazing value out of one player, and you have passed both times. -
Im not calling the guy a choke artist, I'm saying he has the potential of being one and the evidence shows that. We dont know everything that goes on during practice but during games, what really matters, we see everything and if he feels any pressure he makes bad decisions. I dont care how good your line is, your going to face teams with good pressure and you have to be able to deal with it. He has had a 1 1/2 years starting and the last couple games seems to have turned a corner, except for washington, one game removed, like I said these next two games will show us what he is about. At some point though you have to say enough is enough. I would have said it about week 3 this year. The coaches feel week 10 is the number, I have no faith in this coaching staff but hey your right, they get paid and I dont. So we shall see.
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So... If i get this right.... this means that their are several people on this board that are OK with starting a QB that wins when their is no pressure and chokes when their is pressure?.... He sucked in the second half because their was alot of pressure on him to keep us in it. He is great when we have no expectations of him. But if you put him in a possision where we need to win a game to make it to the playoffs... he throws 5 picks...
It seems like a no brainer to me. we need a QB that can stay poised under pressure!
Give BQ The Ball and lets see if He is our man!
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DA really seems to blow throwing on the run or off balance. I cringe every time unless he's rolling to the right and has all day with wide open guys like Heiden.
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I think what EVERYONE is forgetting is that not 1 fan DRAFTED Quinn. Savage did that the last time I checked. And when you desperately trade away 2 picks to get a first round QB - what's the message? You can't blame the FANS when the majority of games our passing game underachieves under the alternative to that solution.
While we're being positive about the QB - I don't see anyone sticking up for the GOOD playcalling, STs coaching that showed me 1 blocked FG and one caused fumble recovery in FG position. Our defense dominated - more bad coaching? Our oline and dline took over that game and if these guys are poorly coached - is that possible? How many penalties did we have? I KNOW it's an exception BUT maybe we're turnign the corner. Maybe????
I'm not saying we ALWAYS get coaching like we saw last Sunday BUT they looked pretty good or we don't win where not too many teams have won. I always put the offsides and motions on the players themselves because against Cincy we had 2 dlinemen accounting for 5 offsides when they line up and have been instructed to go on ball movement since they were 8 years old. False starts is just poor concentration and lack of poise. Sometimes it reflects leadership if people aren't confident.
All this said, what more can ANYONE say that hasn't already said about games we wished they'd salvage with a relief pitcher Savage so desperately sought after on draft day. It's all been said 1000 different ways. Until then, let's hope we see the DA that has played better vrs the Giants, Jax and parts of Cincy games. Let's hope the coaching ENABLES better play.
I'm so damn sick of searching for a NEW Head Coach and NEW QB myself. If we can get DA to mean something better than Dumb Ass - we're going to win more games like last Sunday.
- Tom F. (Do you think I LIKE calling the starting QB of my favorite team Dumb Ass?)
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