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  • you can compare DA with those other guys if you want. I think I would rather have DA than any of those other guys that's for sure.

  • I think that the reason that the Browns stick with DA is simple. At this time he gives them the best chance to win. That means at this time he is better suited to start than the backup. For better or worse he is the Browns best option. The backup might intrigue the fans but apparantly does not intrigue the coaches enough to start him.

    This is the NFL and the head coaches head is on the line every year. You play to win and to win now. Very few if any organization have the patience with coaches that the Steelers have. What have they had 3 coaches in 30 years?

    The other reason that DA is prolly starting is games like the Giants game. When as Steve Young put it, when DA plays like that he is a TOP 5 QB in this league. That means he has potential, and it was not against a weak team. YES DA needs more consitency. Drive you crazy that he can play like he did in the giants game and then play like he did against Washington (though didn't he play better in the fourth trying to put them in position to win?).

    What you want to see out of DA is about 5 out of 10 games like he had against the giants (not 1 out of 10), 3 out of 10 like against Jacksonville and only 2 out of 10 subpar games (he has had 4 or 5 this year). He is young and needs to show improvement and more consitency. He has not showed this as of yet but he keeps showing it when you least expect.

    People say DA can't handle pressure, well to tell you the truth I think you should tell him his job is on the line every week. Because it seems when his job is on the line he plays well. Last year 0 wins VS playoff teams, this year 2 wins vs playoff teams. He can play, he just needs to be more consitenant so that you know what you are going to get.

  • All I know is last year, when he was playing good, we needed a win in crunch time against the bengals and DA played a crap game. If you want to win championships you have to step up when the pressure is on, DA crumpled.

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    All I know is last year, when he was playing good, we needed a win in crunch time against the bengals and DA played a crap game. If you want to win championships you have to step up when the pressure is on, DA crumpled.

    Ok, he went 10-5 instead on 11-4 ... seems to me that you have to win ten games in order to be called a choker.

    He's 13-9 since being handed the team in week #2. He hasn't been injured, he suits up every game, and 13-9 is about the equivilent of finishing a complete season 10-6 or 9-7 ... that's improvement from before he took over folks.

    I apologize for pointing this out to you all ... I obvioiusly ain't a 'true fan', where should I turn in my Browns Backer card?

  • The games he has lost, he has lost them big, making horrible throws and bad decisions. Do you really want to finally make it to the playoffs and have a choke artist under center? I dont know about you but to me that Cinci game told alot about how DA is going to and does handle pressure. You need the QB that wants the ball in the last 2 min to win the game not the guy throwing the pick. I hope Im wrong about DA but we have seen alot of evidance of what to expect. We win these next 2 games and all will be forgoten and this debate will be for nought, if he goes out and chokes well we get to say what we have been saying for years "Next Year"

  • You are going to call a QB a choke artist because of a bad game in his first real full time season? If that is the case almost every QB in the league is a choke artist. Of course many of those first year starting QBs (not first year in league) did keep playing and ended up not being choke artists. I know DA choked against cincy, but he does have a number of come from behind games and this is really only his second season of significant playing time.

    It just seems to me that every time DAs job is on the line he seems to play well. So keep him on edge and make him feel BQ press him. Make him perform or bench him.

    Just seems that there must be a reason that the coaching staff is sticking with DA and not going with BQ. Maybe they feel DA has more upside? I know people on the board don't but we don't make the decisions. I guess I have to defer to the people that see them both play everyday. Because if it was me I would have started BQ against the Bengals.

    Here is too hoping the people that get paid to make football decisions know more than we do.

  • I don’t think you should waste your time hoping that the people that make the decision know what they are doing. It’s a fact that they know more then any poster on this board. If they thought for a minute that BQ the Doamer was better, he would be playing. He’s not, so he isn’t. When he’s better he will play. The lowest man on the totem pole always thinks the guy at the top of the pole is an idiot. Posters bitch and moan (that’s what boards are for) but their opinions are generally worth what they are getting paid for their posts. Which is uhhhh,,, nothing. So, keep the faith and root, root, root for the home team. The Browns will get better and then what will you have to complain about. I doubt we will be in the big one this year, but we will in a few more years. And DA will be the one that gets us there. But, like most of you, I could be wrong.

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    The other reason that DA is prolly starting is games like the Giants game. When as Steve Young put it, when DA plays like that he is a TOP 5 QB in this league.

    By Steve Youngs' logic, Thigpen after this week is also a Top 5 QB in this league. icon_rolleyes.gif

    "Authority is not the truth, truth is the authority." http://www.barkinghard.com/forums

  • Really, I never heard Steve say that. I am not saying DA is a top 5 QB obviously. I am saying that he shows the ability to be but only if he becomes much more consistant. But really the bottom line is that the coaches are around these players everyday and it seems that they believe that DA is the QB that gives the Browns the best chance to win right now.

  • I'll admit I was one of the guys wanting to see DA sit. But when you think about it, the coaches see the QB's every day, every day. Like someone else here said, we don't have ALL the info.

    The one guy I know who hasn't helped DA's cause at all is BE. If he makes that catch against Dallas when he split the DB's. Not only a different complection to that game but definitely changes the whole start of the season. That play made me almost puke. WR's might short arm a pass over the middle but BE short-arms a catch with nothing but the endzone ahead of him. If anyone needs to be consistant it's our so-called "Marquis" reciever.

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    I'll admit I was one of the guys wanting to see DA sit. But when you think about it, the coaches see the QB's every day, every day. Like someone else here said, we don't have ALL the info.

    You mean the same coaches who picked Frye as the starting QB last season and ended up starting DA by default. Yeah, I put 100% faith in them. icon_rolleyes.gif Face it, Derek Anderson is fools gold. I thought he sucked last year, and then eventually as the season progressed, maybe at the 6th game or so, I was starting to come around and found myself doubting my football knowledge, and my eyes, as DA seemed to be getting it done. Then the second half of the season took place and I realized I should always trust myself. I was fooled, for a while ....but I won't continue to be a fool, and be satisfied with the pure shit I see on the field each week. We need a real pro QB, and if it's not Quinn, then Savage should be shot for not trading him away when his asking price would be the highest. Two 1st round picks we were offered for Quinn. You couldn't get a 4th round out of DA. Savage seems to be making the same mistakes ....buy low, sell high Phil ...how hard is it? You have had two opportunities to get amazing value out of one player, and you have passed both times.

    "Authority is not the truth, truth is the authority." http://www.barkinghard.com/forums

  • Im not calling the guy a choke artist, I'm saying he has the potential of being one and the evidence shows that. We dont know everything that goes on during practice but during games, what really matters, we see everything and if he feels any pressure he makes bad decisions. I dont care how good your line is, your going to face teams with good pressure and you have to be able to deal with it. He has had a 1 1/2 years starting and the last couple games seems to have turned a corner, except for washington, one game removed, like I said these next two games will show us what he is about. At some point though you have to say enough is enough. I would have said it about week 3 this year. The coaches feel week 10 is the number, I have no faith in this coaching staff but hey your right, they get paid and I dont. So we shall see.

  • So... If i get this right.... this means that their are several people on this board that are OK with starting a QB that wins when their is no pressure and chokes when their is pressure?.... He sucked in the second half because their was alot of pressure on him to keep us in it. He is great when we have no expectations of him. But if you put him in a possision where we need to win a game to make it to the playoffs... he throws 5 picks... icon_lol.gif

    It seems like a no brainer to me. we need a QB that can stay poised under pressure! icon_e_surprised.gif

    Give BQ The Ball and lets see if He is our man!

  • DA really seems to blow throwing on the run or off balance. I cringe every time unless he's rolling to the right and has all day with wide open guys like Heiden.

    Is a pig's ass pork?

  • I think what EVERYONE is forgetting is that not 1 fan DRAFTED Quinn. Savage did that the last time I checked. And when you desperately trade away 2 picks to get a first round QB - what's the message? You can't blame the FANS when the majority of games our passing game underachieves under the alternative to that solution.

    While we're being positive about the QB - I don't see anyone sticking up for the GOOD playcalling, STs coaching that showed me 1 blocked FG and one caused fumble recovery in FG position. Our defense dominated - more bad coaching? Our oline and dline took over that game and if these guys are poorly coached - is that possible? How many penalties did we have? I KNOW it's an exception BUT maybe we're turnign the corner. Maybe????

    I'm not saying we ALWAYS get coaching like we saw last Sunday BUT they looked pretty good or we don't win where not too many teams have won. I always put the offsides and motions on the players themselves because against Cincy we had 2 dlinemen accounting for 5 offsides when they line up and have been instructed to go on ball movement since they were 8 years old. False starts is just poor concentration and lack of poise. Sometimes it reflects leadership if people aren't confident.

    All this said, what more can ANYONE say that hasn't already said about games we wished they'd salvage with a relief pitcher Savage so desperately sought after on draft day. It's all been said 1000 different ways. Until then, let's hope we see the DA that has played better vrs the Giants, Jax and parts of Cincy games. Let's hope the coaching ENABLES better play.

    I'm so damn sick of searching for a NEW Head Coach and NEW QB myself. If we can get DA to mean something better than Dumb Ass - we're going to win more games like last Sunday.

    - Tom F. (Do you think I LIKE calling the starting QB of my favorite team Dumb Ass?)

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"

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    So... If i get this right.... this means that their are several people on this board that are OK with starting a QB that wins when their is no pressure and chokes when their is pressure?.... He sucked in the second half because their was alot of pressure on him to keep us in it. He is great when we have no expectations of him. But if you put him in a possision where we need to win a game to make it to the playoffs... he throws 5 picks... icon_lol.gif

    It seems like a no brainer to me. we need a QB that can stay poised under pressure! icon_e_surprised.gif

    Give BQ The Ball and lets see if He is our man!

    There are games where there are comfortly no expectations or pressure? really?

    Here's the point you all miss ... 'we got into a position for games to matter'.

    The guys he's replaced, the QB's who he is coming in on the heels of, could win 'a' game, let alone one with no expectations or those easy 8-10 games on the schedule with no pressure (searching for smiley with rolling eyes ... oh, here it is icon_rolleyes.gif )

    Then we pan to Brady Quinn ... who must be famous for winning all those big games to vault his college team into the National Championship games, but not just get there but win it all. (or was that AJ Hawk?)

    Ya gotta walk before you can run. Last year we walked to the tune of 10-wins, this year we walked all over the Super Bowl Champs. Derek Anderson may have been bad in 11 of the 22 straight games he's started since week 2 of last season ... but it is BY FAR the best this team has looked in any stretch since returning in 1999.

  • Doesn't mean we couldn't be better without him (doesn't mean we wouldn't be worse either).

    Listen Ate....I don't think ANYONE is sure enough about BQ to say he is a DEFINITE UPGRADE...but the track record with DA shows one constant....INCONSISTENCY!!! All any of us are wondering is "CAN BQ BRING US CONSISTENT GOOD QB PLAY?"

    Now, I agree NOW is not the time to find out. DA seems to have gotten the turnover thing under wraps (3 straight games without an INT)....but he has done it by holding the ball longer (increased sacks and 7 fumbles in 7 games). If he can increase his accuracy (say 60%) on top of that I will take the additional sacks. But he needs to prove that he can have MORE THAN ONE GOOD GAME IN A ROW!!!

    If not, we WILL be seeing BQ before the end of the season. Just simple facts.

  • I think all 3 of our QBs could have 3 wins right now. Everybody beats Cincy with or without decent QBing so let's not hand DA extra credit for that. We've really had 2 out of 7 games where we've played to the 2008 expectations on offense.

    I'll keep rooting for pleasant surprises like the Giants game but I feel like we're being held hostage because we had 12 opponents in 2007 that lost a minimum of 8 games.

    Let's just hope in the Ratbird rematch the rookie isn't the best QB in the matchup again. If we lose this game we're 1-3 in the AFC North. If we're playing to the level we should be playing to - we shouldn't finish O-For-Flacco or throw more TD passes to the Ratbird D than the fellers wearing our colors.

    - Tom F.

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"

  • And after today's Ravens game, he's still 31st.

    As I've said, I get his isn't all his fault. BE's drops are frustrating. But the Browns are now 3 and 5.

    Instead of waiting for DA to get hurt or have a 5 INT game, maybe the coaches should think more positively and do something to give this team a spark. Like put in the first round draft choice at quarterback.

  • LumberghL Lumbergh

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    Savage is showcasing him so that they can dump him after the season. There is no other explanation as to why he is playing.

    The real explanation is that DA is just better than BQ. If you think there is any other reason he is playing, and especially if you think that any NFL team in NFL history has ever considered starting a lesser player at any position just to "showcase" that player in hopes for a little extra trade value, then you have a load of shit in your pants.

    @lumbergh said:

    The real explanation is that DA is just better than BQ. If you think there is any other reason he is playing, and especially if you think that any NFL team in NFL history has ever considered starting a lesser player at any position just to "showcase" that player in hopes for a little extra trade value, then you have a load of shit in your pants.

    More classy

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