Gerald McCoy/ Mike Daniels
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Why would we trade Ogunjobi?.. He's younger than McCoy.. That makes absolutely no sense Tour...
It makes sense when you're in the "win now" fever Dorsey has caught. If he thinks he can bring in somebody as an upgrade to Tretter or Hubbard especially. Jobi is a decent young bargaining chip. But like I said earlier, my concern is the return on investment in such a trade.
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“Win now fever” does not equate trading players who’ve shown tremendous potential at an early stage in their career.
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“Win now fever” does not equate trading players who’ve shown tremendous potential at an early stage in their career.
“Win now fever” does not equate trading players who’ve shown tremendous potential at an early stage in their career.
Jabrill Peppers says "Hi".
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Should we sign McCoy, then I wonder if Ogun becomes trade bait for OL help...
I don't see that playing out at all. We love Ogunjobi and we want McCoy to help fill out our DL rotation. That's how I see it anyway. We also have to keep in mind that injuries happen all the time, and we got gashed by the run too many times last year. We're going to try and stack up our line as best as possible, and signing McCoy would enable us to rotate several QUALITY linemen in and out during the game. Nobody else would have anything like our lineup, and keeping linemen fresh could pay off big time.
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McCoy 2018 - AGE 31
Games 14 Sacks 6 Solo tackles 17 Forced Fumble 0
Ogunjobi 2018 AGE 24
Games 16 Sacks 5.5 Solo tackles 33 Forced Fumble 1
Nope. Not seeing it. You KEEP Ogunjobi.
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Should we sign McCoy, then I wonder if Ogun becomes trade bait for OL help...
I hope not. Ogunjobi had a really good year for us in 2018. Plus, while upside continues to unfold with him - his first contract is very cap friendly.
Signing Richardson upgraded the other DT spot.
IMO, adding McCoy where he is at today in terms of age + wear and tear means he can help us most rotating in with the 2 younger starters. Keep em all fresh and they should all just get better IMO. We needed more talent and depth at DT and the trio of Ogunjobi, Richardson and McCoy brings us that...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
“Win now fever” does not equate trading players who’ve shown tremendous potential at an early stage in their career.
Jabrill Peppers says "Hi".
Jabrill Peppers says "Hi".
? OBJ says “Hi”
Sometimes painful decisions are made to make the team better.
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Peppers sucked,.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Should we sign McCoy, then I wonder if Ogun becomes trade bait for OL help...
im usually not lurching forward in my chair from ur posts tour.....but this one made me jump. Under no circumstsnces do we ship out Jobi. McCoy is very competent "depth" at this point....he's not going to be as productive anymore getting all the reps. The reason u bring him in is to make sure jobi and richardson are near 100% for the playoffs.
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? OBJ says “Hi”
Sometimes painful decisions are made to make the team better.
Point being, sacrificing good players for players Dorsey feels might be good to great is something he is clearly willing to do.
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Peppers sucked,.
Peppers sucked,.
Playing in another area code his rookie year? What did you expect?
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Peppers sucked,.
Playing in another area code his rookie year? What did you expect?
Playing in another area code his rookie year? What did you expect?
I really would have liked to see him with us in his 3rd year. Especially at his correct position and with another DC. He was so terrific in that Broncos game, I won't forget it. Now obviously ONE game doesn't make someone a great player, but he was still amazing and was basically the reason we won. Still, it's fair to say he didn't live up to hype, whether it's fair or not. I totally wish him the best and I liked his fire and passion.
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I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
I haven't had time to check into OTA's so I appreciate the update. Dorsey ridding the Oline of interior quality in favor of upgrading the perimeter talent was always a concern of mine. Reeks of the Falcons before they got the Oline issues fixed. Most especially issues right up the middle when you have a younger QB of a 'shorter' stature.
edit: I am curious if Corbett's struggles are with the overall physicality of the position or something more technique oriented such as shortening up the footwork and using better leverage to his advantage? The latter can come in time with the coaching... the former? - either you got it or you ain't got it. Might qualify him for a RT project? Won't speculate too much until I see these things with my own eyes at training camp though.
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Should we sign McCoy, then I wonder if Ogun becomes trade bait for OL help...
I hope not. Ogunjobi had a really good year for us in 2018. Plus, while upside continues to unfold with him - his first contract is very cap friendly.
Signing Richardson upgraded the other DT spot.
IMO, adding McCoy where he is at today in terms of age + wear and tear means he can help us most rotating in with the 2 younger starters. Keep em all fresh and they should all just get better IMO. We needed more talent and depth at DT and the trio of Ogunjobi, Richardson and McCoy brings us that...
I hope not. Ogunjobi had a really good year for us in 2018. Plus, while upside continues to unfold with him - his first contract is very cap friendly.
Signing Richardson upgraded the other DT spot.
IMO, adding McCoy where he is at today in terms of age + wear and tear means he can help us most rotating in with the 2 younger starters. Keep em all fresh and they should all just get better IMO. We needed more talent and depth at DT and the trio of Ogunjobi, Richardson and McCoy brings us that...
I seem to recall Jobi got off to a really hot start last year, like in the conversation for best performing DTs in the game the first few weeks, but then cooled off a bit. Still a solid season all told, but l wonder if he and the team would have benefitted from a little more rotational help in the middle?
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I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
But I don’t think you weaken an Area of strength just to strengthen an area of weakness
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I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
But I don’t think you weaken an Area of strength just to strengthen an area of weakness
But I don’t think you weaken an Area of strength just to strengthen an area of weakness
The problem is, that area of weakness puts your young QB directly in its crosshairs.
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I thought Duke Johnson is our trading ace the hole if we need a trading piece?..Hillard has already filled that role & for some reason? imo, Duke won't show-up for manditory camp either? We will get what we get at that point. If i remember the Wilks system from the Panthers run in 2013? Ogun ain't going anywhere..A rotational DT was huge getting Star Lotulelei & Ki Ki Short wind till the championship quarter..the 4th..Wilks gets pressure from his front 4..rotating will matter at DT & DE's..The Passing attack of games, has surely moved Wilks to a more of a 2 LB'er set seen in Zona. Wilks won't show his cards in preseason games, like many teams..But believe what you read in the nitro LB//that truely at times was the role of Peppers at Michigan..S Jermaine Whitehead from what i read loves this new role..Now let's see who whats to tackle..Mack Wilson from Bama had to be a Wilks pick after Taki.. Watch Wilson to get used more than Taki if Wilks has his choice..Am really getting excited to see this defense..Can't wait..meanwhile here's the checkbook balancing while McCoy takes his rightful visits.. https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/05/682369c7e92820/how-the-cleveland-browns-can-afford-to-chase-gerald-mccoy-doug-lesmerises-3rd-short.html <<fixed to now open
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