Gerald McCoy/ Mike Daniels
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Should we sign McCoy, then I wonder if Ogun becomes trade bait for OL help...
I hope not. Ogunjobi had a really good year for us in 2018. Plus, while upside continues to unfold with him - his first contract is very cap friendly.
Signing Richardson upgraded the other DT spot.
IMO, adding McCoy where he is at today in terms of age + wear and tear means he can help us most rotating in with the 2 younger starters. Keep em all fresh and they should all just get better IMO. We needed more talent and depth at DT and the trio of Ogunjobi, Richardson and McCoy brings us that...
I hope not. Ogunjobi had a really good year for us in 2018. Plus, while upside continues to unfold with him - his first contract is very cap friendly.
Signing Richardson upgraded the other DT spot.
IMO, adding McCoy where he is at today in terms of age + wear and tear means he can help us most rotating in with the 2 younger starters. Keep em all fresh and they should all just get better IMO. We needed more talent and depth at DT and the trio of Ogunjobi, Richardson and McCoy brings us that...
I seem to recall Jobi got off to a really hot start last year, like in the conversation for best performing DTs in the game the first few weeks, but then cooled off a bit. Still a solid season all told, but l wonder if he and the team would have benefitted from a little more rotational help in the middle?
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I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
But I don’t think you weaken an Area of strength just to strengthen an area of weakness
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I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
But I don’t think you weaken an Area of strength just to strengthen an area of weakness
But I don’t think you weaken an Area of strength just to strengthen an area of weakness
The problem is, that area of weakness puts your young QB directly in its crosshairs.
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I thought Duke Johnson is our trading ace the hole if we need a trading piece?..Hillard has already filled that role & for some reason? imo, Duke won't show-up for manditory camp either? We will get what we get at that point. If i remember the Wilks system from the Panthers run in 2013? Ogun ain't going anywhere..A rotational DT was huge getting Star Lotulelei & Ki Ki Short wind till the championship quarter..the 4th..Wilks gets pressure from his front 4..rotating will matter at DT & DE's..The Passing attack of games, has surely moved Wilks to a more of a 2 LB'er set seen in Zona. Wilks won't show his cards in preseason games, like many teams..But believe what you read in the nitro LB//that truely at times was the role of Peppers at Michigan..S Jermaine Whitehead from what i read loves this new role..Now let's see who whats to tackle..Mack Wilson from Bama had to be a Wilks pick after Taki.. Watch Wilson to get used more than Taki if Wilks has his choice..Am really getting excited to see this defense..Can't wait..meanwhile here's the checkbook balancing while McCoy takes his rightful visits.. https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/05/682369c7e92820/how-the-cleveland-browns-can-afford-to-chase-gerald-mccoy-doug-lesmerises-3rd-short.html <<fixed to now open
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I thought Duke Johnson is our trading ace the hole if we need a trading piece?..Hillard has already filled that role & for some reason? imo, Duke won't show-up for manditory camp either? We will get what we get at that point. If i remember the Wilks system from the Panthers run in 2013? Ogun ain't going anywhere..A rotational DT was huge getting Star Lotulelei & Ki Ki Short wind till the championship quarter..the 4th..Wilks gets pressure from his front 4..rotating will matter at DT & DE's..The Passing attack of games, has surely moved Wilks to a more of a 2 LB'er set seen in Zona. Wilks won't show his cards in preseason games, like many teams..But believe what you read in the nitro LB//that truely at times was the role of Peppers at Michigan..S Jermaine Whitehead from what i read loves this new role..Now let's see who whats to tackle..Mack Wilson from Bama had to be a Wilks pick after Taki.. Watch Wilson to get used more than Taki if Wilks has his choice..Am really getting excited to see this defense..Can't wait..meanwhile here's the checkbook balancing while McCoy takes his rightful visits.. https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/05/682369c7e92820/how-the-cleveland-browns-can-afford-to-chase-gerald-mccoy-doug-lesmerises-3rd-short.html <<fixed to now open
I If i remember the Wilks system from the Panthers run in 2013? Ogun ain't going anywhere..A rotational DT was huge getting Star Lotulelei & Ki Ki Short wind till the championship quarter..the 4th..Wilks gets pressure from his front 4..rotating will matter at DT & DE's..The Passing attack of games, has surely moved Wilks to a more of a 2 LB'er set seen in Zona. Wilks won't show his cards in preseason games, like many teams..But believe what you read in the nitro LB//that truely at times was the role of Peppers at Michigan..S Jermaine Whitehead from what i read loves this new role..Now let's see who whats to tackle..Mack Wilson from Bama had to be a Wilks pick after Taki.. Watch Wilson to get used more than Taki if Wilks has his choice..Am really getting excited to see this defense..Can't wait..meanwhile here's the checkbook balancing while McCoy takes his rightful visits.. https://www.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/05/682369c7e92820/how-the-cleveland-browns-can-afford-to-chase-gerald-mccoy-doug-lesmerises-3rd-short.html
Wilks wasn't the DC, that was McDermmott. He was... *googles* - DB's coach.
edit: that is a fair point - Duke could be that trade piece. I just hate to see him go. He can do things in the receiving game that I don't feel Hunt and Hilliard are capable of.
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I If i remember the Wilks system from the Panthers run in 2013? Ogun ain't going anywhere..A rotational DT was huge getting Star Lotulelei & Ki Ki Short wind till the championship quarter..the 4th..Wilks gets pressure from his front 4..rotating will matter at DT & DE's..The Passing attack of games, has surely moved Wilks to a more of a 2 LB'er set seen in Zona. Wilks won't show his cards in preseason games, like many teams..But believe what you read in the nitro LB//that truely at times was the role of Peppers at Michigan..S Jermaine Whitehead from what i read loves this new role..Now let's see who whats to tackle..Mack Wilson from Bama had to be a Wilks pick after Taki.. Watch Wilson to get used more than Taki if Wilks has his choice..Am really getting excited to see this defense..Can't wait..meanwhile here's the checkbook balancing while McCoy takes his rightful visits.. https://www.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/05/682369c7e92820/how-the-cleveland-browns-can-afford-to-chase-gerald-mccoy-doug-lesmerises-3rd-short.html
Wilks wasn't the DC, that was McDermmott. He was... *googles* - DB's coach.
edit: that is a fair point - Duke could be that trade piece. I just hate to see him go. He can do things in the receiving game that I don't feel Hunt and Hilliard are capable of.
Wilks wasn't the DC, that was McDermmott. He was... *googles* - DB's coach.
sure it was Mcgerm-mott's Defense..And Al Holcomb is now our LB coach, same at panthers & it seems the former Wilks panthers secondary coach has that same format working at camp in cleveland.I'm scared to death on the pattern match zones early, but Am excited to see the Wilks new tweaks..
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Wilks wasn't the DC, that was McDermmott. He was... *googles* - DB's coach.
sure it was Mcgerm-mott's Defense..And Al Holcomb is now our LB coach, same at panthers & it seems the former Wilks panthers secondary coach has that same format working at camp in cleveland.I'm scared to death on the pattern match zones early, but Am excited to see the Wilks new tweaks..
sure it was Mcgerm-mott's Defense..And Al Holcomb is now our LB coach, same at panthers & it seems the former Wilks panthers secondary coach has that same format working at camp in cleveland.I'm scared to death on the pattern match zones early, but Am excited to see the Wilks new tweaks..and maybe fixing this attached link above that won't open ?
I'm not too worried about the defense as a whole, just the linebackers. Statistically I think we take a good step forward vs limiting the run, but I can't see us generating the turnovers we did last year especially at the pace the first 5 or 6 games saw. Although that might not be anywhere near as necessary if we're getting offenses off the field on 3rd down and being more stingy in the redzone (as we absolutely need to be)
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But I don’t think you weaken an Area of strength just to strengthen an area of weakness
The problem is, that area of weakness puts your young QB directly in its crosshairs.
The problem is, that area of weakness puts your young QB directly in its crosshairs.
I didn't say do not improve an area of weakness....I said do not weaken an area of strength.
Beyond that: A. McCoy has NOT chosen the Browns....he could choose any one of 10 other teams....so it is completely premature to talk like he is here.
B. Ogunjobi is like 8 years younger than McCoy. And in my opinion it is better to keep him than to sign McCoy...if the choice is that we can only have one or the other. I choose Ojo. The better choice would be to have both. Fair to say?
C. I also see where Dorsey HAS made a serious attempt to bolster the OL. He did pick up Kush, Lamm and Witzmann....in attempt to strengthen what we all may perceive to be a weakness. Now, I will leave the evaluation of these players to others on here who think they know offensive linemen..and maybe they do. But these were moves made by Dorsey to improve this OL....and as far as I am concerned, we have to trust Dorsey's judgment in that area. You know...that area being football talent. I think he has done pretty well so far. Does he hit 100%? No.....but between Corbett, Robinson, Lamm, Kush, Witzmann, Hubbard, Harrison, Robinson, Forbes...all selected by Dorsey...in addition to holdovers Bitonio and Tretter.....I am certainly trusting that he has brought in and has beeen able to identify some pretty workable pieces on the OL. And that is not to say that he is finished there either.
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The problem is, that area of weakness puts your young QB directly in its crosshairs.
I didn't say do not improve an area of weakness....I said do not weaken an area of strength.
Beyond that: A. McCoy has NOT chosen the Browns....he could choose any one of 10 other teams....so it is completely premature to talk like he is here.
B. Ogunjobi is like 8 years younger than McCoy. And in my opinion it is better to keep him than to sign McCoy...if the choice is that we can only have one or the other. I choose Ojo. The better choice would be to have both. Fair to say?
C. I also see where Dorsey HAS made a serious attempt to bolster the OL. He did pick up Kush, Lamm and Witzmann....in attempt to strengthen what we all may perceive to be a weakness. Now, I will leave the evaluation of these players to others on here who think they know offensive linemen..and maybe they do. But these were moves made by Dorsey to improve this OL....and as far as I am concerned, we have to trust Dorsey's judgment in that area. You know...that area being football talent. I think he has done pretty well so far. Does he hit 100%? No.....but between Corbett, Robinson, Lamm, Kush, Witzmann, Hubbard, Harrison, Robinson, Forbes...all selected by Dorsey...in addition to holdovers Bitonio and Tretter.....I am certainly trusting that he has brought in and has beeen able to identify some pretty workable pieces on the OL. And that is not to say that he is finished there either.
I didn't say do not improve an area of weakness....I said do not weaken an area of strength.
Beyond that: A. McCoy has NOT chosen the Browns....he could choose any one of 10 other teams....so it is completely premature to talk like he is here.
B. Ogunjobi is like 8 years younger than McCoy. And in my opinion it is better to keep him than to sign McCoy...if the choice is that we can only have one or the other. I choose Ojo. The better choice would be to have both. Fair to say?
C. I also see where Dorsey HAS made a serious attempt to bolster the OL. He did pick up Kush, Lamm and Witzmann....in attempt to strengthen what we all may perceive to be a weakness. Now, I will leave the evaluation of these players to others on here who think they know offensive linemen..and maybe they do. But these were moves made by Dorsey to improve this OL....and as far as I am concerned, we have to trust Dorsey's judgment in that area. You know...that area being football talent. I think he has done pretty well so far. Does he hit 100%? No.....but between Corbett, Robinson, Lamm, Kush, Witzmann, Hubbard, Harrison, Robinson, Forbes...all selected by Dorsey...in addition to holdovers Bitonio and Tretter.....I am certainly trusting that he has brought in and has beeen able to identify some pretty workable pieces on the OL. And that is not to say that he is finished there either.
Nice job with that Gips!
I don't think the offensive line is nearly as weak as some are making it out to be. Last year, the big worry/concern offensively was LT especially if we were ever going to put our 1st overall pick and investment on the field. I'll get to that in a second.
The best record Cleveland ever had with the trio of Joe Thomas, Alex Mack and Mitch Schwartz was 7-9. 2 of those guys made the Pro Bowl while Schwartz played well. Now all of a sudden, Cleveland improves from 0-16 to 7-8-1 (and 7-6 during games their rookie QB played in) in 2018. How does that happen if our offensive line is weak? Another rookie in our offense RB Nick Chubb had 9 starts, averaged over 5.2 yards a carry and finished with 996 yards rushing and 8 TDs on the ground. Again, I'm not seeing the weakness on the oline. Were there times they could have been more consistent? Sure, just like all areas of the team right?
So, last year the worry about this team was Left Tackle and what had been done to replace Joe Thomas. The concern was we only had Bitonio feeling his best NFL niche is OG, 1 undrafted FA Harrison; and if those didn't work we were going to have to try to tap what the Rams couldn't via former 2nd overall pick Greg Robinson. Who knew the best prize would be behind door #3? This year we shift this worry to RG and what had been done to replace Zeitler. Only this time, it looks like the FO added a few guys that started games in 2018 as well as a promising young prospect like Forbes to set up quite a challenge for the starting job at RG. There's also the possibility Corbett emerges as the guy they thought they drafted, which wouldn't suck. As we've seen over the years, not everyone emerges immediately especially on the offensive line. This year we only have to replace 1 starter on the offensive line compared to replacing 2 starters in 2018 (and 1 of those was a LT with 10 Pro Bowls). I think our FO can do it.
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I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
Zeitler also allowed the lowest pressure per snap rate in the league for guards last season [bitonio #3 least].. this justifies all the FA OL good at passpro.
Chubb last season had the most yards per snap after contact of any RB since PFF started charting.. and even if that stat reverts to the mean [One, nobody we plug in would be as good as Zeitler and Two, Chubb had a once-in-a-lifetime season last year] I won't be shocked if we don't appear to "run effectively" next season.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
I share your concern about Corbett Tour- but.
So, last year the worry about this team was Left Tackle and what had been done to replace Joe Thomas. The concern was we only had Bitonio feeling his best NFL niche is OG, 1 undrafted FA Harrison; and if those didn't work we were going to have to try to tap what the Rams couldn't via former 2nd overall pick Greg Robinson. Who knew the best prize would be behind door #3? This year we shift this worry to RG and what had been done to replace Zeitler. Only this time, it looks like the FO added a few guys that started games in 2018 as well as a promising young prospect like Forbes to set up quite a challenge for the starting job at RG. There's also the possibility Corbett emerges as the guy they thought they drafted, which wouldn't suck. As we've seen over the years, not everyone emerges immediately especially on the offensive line. This year we only have to replace 1 starter on the offensive line compared to replacing 2 starters in 2018 (and 1 of those was a LT with 10 Pro Bowls). I think our FO can do it.
In that regard I give you Exhibit A: Cam "Turnstile" Erving, who the majority of us would have helped buy his plane ticket out of town he sucked so bad. Turns out he became at least a respectable starter for the Chiefs- much to my (and probably everyone else's) amazement.
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I get the above Ogun love... I really do.... but as I wrote in the Depth Chart thread, so far Corbett ain't cutting it in OTAs. So if Ogun's departure results in an upgrade of our OL in return, then it's a move which may need to be made.
If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
If we go nowhere in 2019, then this locker room could disintegrate and the window that could have been may never be.
Still plenty of time... Austin or another OG still might emerge and be "adequate", but this kind of thinking has to start now.
I share your concern about Corbett Tour- but.
So, last year the worry about this team was Left Tackle and what had been done to replace Joe Thomas. The concern was we only had Bitonio feeling his best NFL niche is OG, 1 undrafted FA Harrison; and if those didn't work we were going to have to try to tap what the Rams couldn't via former 2nd overall pick Greg Robinson. Who knew the best prize would be behind door #3? This year we shift this worry to RG and what had been done to replace Zeitler. Only this time, it looks like the FO added a few guys that started games in 2018 as well as a promising young prospect like Forbes to set up quite a challenge for the starting job at RG. There's also the possibility Corbett emerges as the guy they thought they drafted, which wouldn't suck. As we've seen over the years, not everyone emerges immediately especially on the offensive line. This year we only have to replace 1 starter on the offensive line compared to replacing 2 starters in 2018 (and 1 of those was a LT with 10 Pro Bowls). I think our FO can do it.
In that regard I give you Exhibit A: Cam "Turnstile" Erving, who the majority of us would have helped buy his plane ticket out of town he sucked so bad. Turns out he became at least a respectable starter for the Chiefs- much to my (and probably everyone else's) amazement.
I share your concern about Corbett Tour- but.
In that regard I give you Exhibit A: Cam "Turnstile" Erving, who the majority of us would have helped buy his plane ticket out of town he sucked so bad. Turns out he became at least a respectable starter for the Chiefs- much to my (and probably everyone else's) amazement.
Nuh uh.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/cam-erving/9452
He is easily the worst player on a medicore Oline that had the benefit of having a gunslinger QB, Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt, Sammy Watkins, Chris Conley and Travis Kelce to cover up the smell of their below average play. Mitch Morse is gone so if Cam is on the Chiefs Oline now, with the loss of their best weapons, he's going to get fucked up and down the field. As the Pats so clearly showed this in the post season.
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I share your concern about Corbett Tour- but.
In that regard I give you Exhibit A: Cam "Turnstile" Erving, who the majority of us would have helped buy his plane ticket out of town he sucked so bad. Turns out he became at least a respectable starter for the Chiefs- much to my (and probably everyone else's) amazement.
Nuh uh.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/cam-erving/9452
He is easily the worst player on a medicore Oline that had the benefit of having a gunslinger QB, Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt, Sammy Watkins, Chris Conley and Travis Kelce to cover up the smell of their below average play. Mitch Morse is gone so if Cam is on the Chiefs Oline now, with the loss of their best weapons, he's going to get fucked up and down the field. As the Pats so clearly showed this in the post season.
Nuh uh.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/cam-erving/9452
He is easily the worst player on a medicore Oline that had the benefit of having a gunslinger QB, Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt, Sammy Watkins, Chris Conley and Travis Kelce to cover up the smell of their below average play. Mitch Morse is gone so if Cam is on the Chiefs Oline now, with the loss of their best weapons, he's going to get fucked up and down the field. As the Pats so clearly showed this in the post season.
I'll accept the correction. But tia, if I'm reading the PFF grade correctly, Cam improved from gawdawful atrocious to "below average".
That is improvement.
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how has corbett been struggling?
how has corbett been struggling?
Well, nobody REALLY knows that he's struggling because the pads aren't on, but Corbett was given every chance to cement the starting position left vacant by Zeitler, and by all accounts he simply hasn't done that. I believe I read that Corbett is playing a lot of "2nd team center", and he appears to be a better fit there.
Now again, this is without pads, so how much can you really observe? I will say this, most fans I know of were NOT pleased by the Corbett selection, and while Dorsey has proven himself to be a good talent evaluator, there was definitely concern that he tried to be too smart for his own good. After all, the first pick of the 2nd round is a VERY desirable selection, and when you're a team that was literally 0-16 picking there....you don't get cute. You don't draft for depth. You draft a starter at a needed position.
I liked Zeitler, a lot. He was extremely physical and that's something I place a very high emphasis on, especially in our division. Here's an exercise for you. Look up images for Corbett and look up images for Zeitler. Zeitler looks like Albino Kong, whereas Corbett looks like the fat kid in high school that hides salami sandwiches in cargo shorts pockets.
What does all this mean? Not a dang thing. We're not going to know anything about Corbett until pads come on and he's truly tested. Would I rather him be grabbing the bull by the horn and own the starting role in OTA's? Absolutely, but I also know that Dorsey knows more about football than I ever will, so hopefully he's right once again.
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You make an interesting point jiggins, and many people who follow the Browns thought that Corbett was going to be the eventual replacement for Tretter at center, not Zeitler at guard.
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If we can't run effectively, then we goes nowhere in 2019.
Zeitler also allowed the lowest pressure per snap rate in the league for guards last season [bitonio #3 least].. this justifies all the FA OL good at passpro.
Chubb last season had the most yards per snap after contact of any RB since PFF started charting.. and even if that stat reverts to the mean [One, nobody we plug in would be as good as Zeitler and Two, Chubb had a once-in-a-lifetime season last year] I won't be shocked if we don't appear to "run effectively" next season.
Zeitler also allowed the lowest pressure per snap rate in the league for guards last season [bitonio #3 least].. this justifies all the FA OL good at passpro.
Chubb last season had the most yards per snap after contact of any RB since PFF started charting.. and even if that stat reverts to the mean [One, nobody we plug in would be as good as Zeitler and Two, Chubb had a once-in-a-lifetime season last year] I won't be shocked if we don't appear to "run effectively" next season.
Thanks for sharing your research about Zeitler!
That said, nobody is saying they didn't appreciate him any more than any non-troll said they didn't appreciate Joe Thomas. What I'm saying is if we can overcome the losses of Joe Thomas and the RT in 2018; there's no reason we can't overcome the loss of Zeitler in 2019.
While PFF is a good tool to use - it doesn't mean you should stop watching what's unfolding in front of you and surrender all your opinions to it. The reasons a lot of defenders have to resort to arm tackles that talented RBs can easily break is because they have often been blocked well enough to either be out of position or have other parts of their body preoccupied with trying to disengage from blockers. Chubb's been putting great after contact results on film since his freshman year in the SEC blended with better stop watch speed than Sony Michel to make Dorsey interested enough to draft him in upper round 2. That didn't start with Zeitler while we're happy it continued behind our line. Like I said in the Corbett thread, nothing about 5.2 yards per carry from our rookie RB with 996 rush yards & 8 rush TDs while only starting 9 games reflected a weak offensive line. And if we had a rookie QB breaking the record for TD passes as a rookie - what part of that reflects our line is weak?
The Browns were winless in 2017 and that continued in 2018 before Baker came in and erased a deficit against the Jets. I think it's more than a coincidence the Browns went from winless to 7-6 in all games Baker played in. What changed, in particular, for our offensive line was their challenge went from unreasonable to doable. Because we had a QB getting rid of the ball quickly and accurately - the pass pro ratings of Bitonio, Zeitler, and Tretter inevitably improved. Meanwhile that was also lowering defensive volume in the box also helping our line to the extent our stats in the running game improved quite a bit. That had to improve the run blocking ratings of our interior as well. Once upon a time Greg Robinson could barely play 1 interior line position on the right side in St Louis so I'm guessing some of this helped him too...
Having said all that, here's the doabilities our offensive line still had to focus on: Being first to contact and beating defenders to the punch/position and area (which should favor guys that know the count and where the play is going); ideal pad height up top and ideal base below for good leverage and preventing over-extension; and staying with the guy until after the pass is gone or it's an ideal time to block someone in the next tier. Anyone remember that training camp video of Myles Garrett getting pissed at Greg Robinson? That wasn't his own asss breath he got sick of... As they had to replace both Offensive Tackles in 2018 - I never got the impression they looked weak doing so. That said, there were times I felt they could have and should have been more consistent like any other area of the team. In response to 1 of those times after a forgettable outing in Tampa, Greg Robinson got a chance to replace the undrafted FA Harrison (who was sick) at the right time to play the best football of his career in the LT spot nobody could have envisioned (where we once had the reliability of 10 consecutive Pro Bowl efforts). Not bad considering the idea to yank Bitonio out of niche and comfort zone or going with Harrison was worse. Hollywood may have this looking like the next Jed Clampett struck oil; but someone in our FO had the wherewithal to realize maybe all this former 2nd overall talent needs is the right opportunity at the right time. Land ho!
Right now, there's an opening for a starting job at RG that some candidates with recent starting experience were brought here to compete for. There's also a rookie (Forbes) that put excellent trapping and pulling skills on tape while various workouts have him ranking with elite in tests that measured explosion. Everything I spoke about regarding the doabilities in the last paragraph, he can do. The best record we ever had with the trio of Thomas, Mack and Schwartz was 7-9. Now that the line we had last year helped us improve from 0-16 to 7-8-1 while our rookie QB broke the record for TD passes as our rookie RB averaged 5.2 yards per carry - people are arguing that the offensive line is weak? There's an old saying if you fail to prepare then you should prepare to fail. I don't think anyone failed to prepare for the opening at RG to blend with the 80% of our line returning...
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ansah still hasnt signed anywhere? well, i was high on ansah before we signed vernon...ansah's starter money so not gonna pay that now. 9'ers are shopping siloman thomas who's got 2 more years left on rookie deal....dorsey oughta look at that.
ansah still hasnt signed anywhere? well, i was high on ansah before we signed vernon...ansah's starter money so not gonna pay that now. 9'ers are shopping siloman thomas who's got 2 more years left on rookie deal....dorsey oughta look at that.
I thought you were high on something else champ.
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ansah still hasnt signed anywhere? well, i was high on ansah before we signed vernon...ansah's starter money so not gonna pay that now. 9'ers are shopping siloman thomas who's got 2 more years left on rookie deal....dorsey oughta look at that.
I thought you were high on something else champ.
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