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Duke should learn what it means to be a pro. It's his fault this is in the media, so baker is right....it's self inflicted
Actually it's the fault of the Media......and Dorsey. After the Hunt signing it was the Media that asked Dorsey if the Hunt signing made Duke expendable....and Dorsey answered, Not yet.
I think that would piss off most players. Whaddaya mean, Not yet? Is that the goal? To make me expendable?
If the Media doesn't ASK, or if Dorsey doesn't say the word Yet....the Duke situation would not be of this magnitude.
Actually it's the fault of the Media......and Dorsey. After the Hunt signing it was the Media that asked Dorsey if the Hunt signing made Duke expendable....and Dorsey answered, Not yet.
I think that would piss off most players. Whaddaya mean, Not yet? Is that the goal? To make me expendable?
If the Media doesn't ASK, or if Dorsey doesn't say the word Yet....the Duke situation would not be of this magnitude.
I don't want this to come off as insulting because I enjoy the majority of your posts. Even when I don't agree with you - you make enough points to the extent I understand where you are coming from. In this case, I feel like you're choosing part of the picture over the bigger picture so hear me out.
Do we really want Dorsey running a Sorority House more concerned about whose feelings are hurt today? Or, do we want him continuing to upgrade talent on the roster so we can finally talk playoff football for a refreshing change? This involves guys proving they deserve their contracts within the challenge at hand. Haven't we seen enough of where nice guys finish yet? Dorsey is here trying to put that 1-31 football (that deserved complaints) far behind us as soon as possible. Feelings are going to get hurt; especially if someone that's being paid well for his limited role is being challenged to perform well enough to stay/help us improve.
Dorsey can answer the media any way he wants; especially if it's about a guy he just gave a raise/contract extension to as recently as 2018. When Chubb emerged as our feature back (over Carlos Hyde that was ranked in the top 100 players the season before); Dorsey traded Carlos Hyde not Duke. That's 2 different examples of Dorsey showing Duke he believes in him while you're making yourself more concerned about his "not yet" comment. Most players know the average length of NFL careers so they're wired not to question the "not yet" that begins the day they sign their 1st NFL contract. If you perform well - your career lives on. Duke is getting 8 games to prove why Dorsey believed in him. I'd be more nervous that his actions show he feels threatened he can't handle it in lieu of a "I'll leave Dorsey no other choice but me" mentality. Is it possible Duke also understands nobody wanted to give up anything on their roster to trade for him during the draft when they can just draft someone of equitable talent for a rookie contract? The lad needs to dictate his worth to this team when he gets his opportunities this year. For example, when Nick Chubb got 3 carries for over 100 yards where only the goal line stopped 2 of them - guess who earned more playing time?
I think we all know that the media DOES have to ask or their version of "not yet" changes to replaced by someone that does ask.
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Zombo said:
Dorsey DID pay Duke, last summer.
That's the whole point.
Z
Precisely! He paid Duke extremely well considering he was just a part time RB on a team that just went 1-31 prior to the extension. As the RB position is getting stronger - Duke's workload is getting challenged by a stronger competition.
Baker isn't the guy putting "I before team." He's the one saying step onto the train your teammates are on - not in front of it. When Baker showed up here as a 1st overall pick/talent - he was told he wouldn't play right away (if at all as a rookie). He didn't have a public tantrum about it. He shut his mouth and went to work. When he got the chance to play - guess what he did? He PROVED he deserved to start. He performed well enough for his teammates to view him as a credible leader.
IMO, Duke was a decent RB on a bad team. Now that we have a much improved team - decent doesn't cut it any more at least in terms of how reps are divided up. For example, Carlos Hyde was voted by his peers as 1 of the top 100 football players in the NFL prior to coming here. When Nick Chubb also got the chance to play - he had 3 carries for over 100 yards against the Raiders where the only thing stopping 2 of those was the goal line. The 5.2 yards per carry he was achieving left nobody (including Hyde) questioning his promotion to our work horse RB. Hyde got traded and Duke remained decent; but not the to extent I understand his feeling of entitlement today. We've always had RBs that can catch the ball well on 3rd downs whether it was Calvin Hill in his mid 30s, Greg Pruitt spelling Mike Pruitt late in his career, or the undrafted Herman Fontenot in 86.
We've always had RBs that can catch the ball well on 3rd downs whether it was Calvin Hill in his mid 30s, Greg Pruitt spelling Mike Pruitt late in his career, or the undrafted Herman Fontenot in 86.
I was excited when we took young buck Duke, coming out of the ACC from The U..I was a little concerned about a knee injury, that Duke has shown no issues with..What I didn't remember, was Duke was a physical runner that came into the big league banging his Head into everything causing concussions..If i also remember again? I think it was Ernest Byner that showed up to training Camp, showing Duke how to protect himself as a running back, running into the Big Boyz..So far, so good ?
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I respectfully disagree.....much like responding to entertainment heads that are clearly baiting him, to telling Duke "You are on the team or you're not"......he needs to not go there. 2nd year QB and you didn't have Brady, Rodgers, Brees.....going there and they had ample opportunity.
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I respectfully disagree.....much like responding to entertainment heads that are clearly baiting him, to telling Duke "You are on the team or you're not"......he needs to not go there. 2nd year QB and you didn't have Brady, Rodgers, Brees.....going there and they had ample opportunity.
I respectfully disagree.....much like responding to entertainment heads (F' them, they got nutin to do with what Duke's issue is. Start with, Duke's agent is a women,with her feelings hurt too) that are clearly baiting him,(Baker? LoL) to telling Duke "You are on the team or you're not"......he needs to not go there.2nd year QB and you didn't have Brady,Rogers,Brees(what does this have to do with anything? Baker's correct'emundo leading the no drama needed march.It's what leaders do) .....going there and they had ample opportunity.
going there? Did you ever stand in football locker room? I think some here are missing a key value..There is a lot of blood,sweat,tears & friendships in that locker-room. The Browns took all the bumps in the road,developing Duke into what he is today..There's either something inside that 53 man room(mostly new) or above it, or both? Duke sounded like it was above the locker room..And your damn skippy the Media was going to question any player to that microphone that day..Baker handled it like a leader of that 90 man unit imo..Duke needs to air this thing out with the people that ill him..And I would not advise him to pick & choose from the other 89..
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Actually it's the fault of the Media......and Dorsey. After the Hunt signing it was the Media that asked Dorsey if the Hunt signing made Duke expendable....and Dorsey answered, Not yet.
I think that would piss off most players. Whaddaya mean, Not yet? Is that the goal? To make me expendable?
If the Media doesn't ASK, or if Dorsey doesn't say the word Yet....the Duke situation would not be of this magnitude.
I don't want this to come off as insulting because I enjoy the majority of your posts. Even when I don't agree with you - you make enough points to the extent I understand where you are coming from. In this case, I feel like you're choosing part of the picture over the bigger picture so hear me out.
Do we really want Dorsey running a Sorority House more concerned about whose feelings are hurt today? Or, do we want him continuing to upgrade talent on the roster so we can finally talk playoff football for a refreshing change? This involves guys proving they deserve their contracts within the challenge at hand. Haven't we seen enough of where nice guys finish yet? Dorsey is here trying to put that 1-31 football (that deserved complaints) far behind us as soon as possible. Feelings are going to get hurt; especially if someone that's being paid well for his limited role is being challenged to perform well enough to stay/help us improve.
Dorsey can answer the media any way he wants; especially if it's about a guy he just gave a raise/contract extension to as recently as 2018. When Chubb emerged as our feature back (over Carlos Hyde that was ranked in the top 100 players the season before); Dorsey traded Carlos Hyde not Duke. That's 2 different examples of Dorsey showing Duke he believes in him while you're making yourself more concerned about his "not yet" comment. Most players know the average length of NFL careers so they're wired not to question the "not yet" that begins the day they sign their 1st NFL contract. If you perform well - your career lives on. Duke is getting 8 games to prove why Dorsey believed in him. I'd be more nervous that his actions show he feels threatened he can't handle it in lieu of a "I'll leave Dorsey no other choice but me" mentality. Is it possible Duke also understands nobody wanted to give up anything on their roster to trade for him during the draft when they can just draft someone of equitable talent for a rookie contract? The lad needs to dictate his worth to this team when he gets his opportunities this year. For example, when Nick Chubb got 3 carries for over 100 yards where only the goal line stopped 2 of them - guess who earned more playing time?
I think we all know that the media DOES have to ask or their version of "not yet" changes to replaced by someone that does ask.
When Chubb emerged as our feature back (over Carlos Hyde that was ranked in the top 100 players the season before); Dorsey traded Carlos Hyde not Duke.
That's because it was Hyde that was getting all of the carries...the carries that he wanted Chubb to be getting. Duke is the change of pace, receiving RB
Do we really want Dorsey running a Sorority House more concerned about whose feelings are hurt today?
It's the day and age that we live in now. Everyone either has their little feelings hurt, or they're claiming that they're disrespected.
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When Chubb emerged as our feature back (over Carlos Hyde that was ranked in the top 100 players the season before); Dorsey traded Carlos Hyde not Duke.
That's because it was Hyde that was getting all of the carries...the carries that he wanted Chubb to be getting. Duke is the change of pace, receiving RB
Do we really want Dorsey running a Sorority House more concerned about whose feelings are hurt today?
It's the day and age that we live in now. Everyone either has their little feelings hurt, or they're claiming that they're disrespected.
That's because it was Hyde that was getting all of the carries...the carries that he wanted Chubb to be getting. Duke is the change of pace, receiving RB
It's the day and age that we live in now. Everyone either has their little feelings hurt, or they're claiming that they're disrespected.
No, when Chubb got promoted - Dorsey looked at the numbers favoring Duke over Hyde; and he kept Duke as our #2 RB and traded Hyde. Hyde only contributed 3.3 ypc while Chubb gave us 5.2 ypc and Duke provided 5 ypc. Again, I see that as Dorsey showing Duke in the same season he gave him a raise/contract extension "I believe in you." The raise plus the decision to keep Duke over Hyde are 2 different examples of showing Duke he believes in him.
When the Chargers used a 1st overall pick on a QB despite already having Drew Brees - Brees didn't throw a temper tantrum demanding a trade. He showed up for camp while Philip Rivers held out for the length of training camp. Brees responded by leading his team to an AFC best 12 wins and making his 1st Pro Bowl - not bad considering SD sucked bad enough the year before to be holding the 1st overall pick. Duke has a similar situation in the sense his major competition for the #2 RB spot can't play the first 8 games. Duke can either continue complaining - or giddy-up and get after it.
Duke is the only guy on the Browns I see complaining.
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That's because it was Hyde that was getting all of the carries...the carries that he wanted Chubb to be getting. Duke is the change of pace, receiving RB
It's the day and age that we live in now. Everyone either has their little feelings hurt, or they're claiming that they're disrespected.
No, when Chubb got promoted - Dorsey looked at the numbers favoring Duke over Hyde; and he kept Duke as our #2 RB and traded Hyde. Hyde only contributed 3.3 ypc while Chubb gave us 5.2 ypc and Duke provided 5 ypc. Again, I see that as Dorsey showing Duke in the same season he gave him a raise/contract extension "I believe in you." The raise plus the decision to keep Duke over Hyde are 2 different examples of showing Duke he believes in him.
When the Chargers used a 1st overall pick on a QB despite already having Drew Brees - Brees didn't throw a temper tantrum demanding a trade. He showed up for camp while Philip Rivers held out for the length of training camp. Brees responded by leading his team to an AFC best 12 wins and making his 1st Pro Bowl - not bad considering SD sucked bad enough the year before to be holding the 1st overall pick. Duke has a similar situation in the sense his major competition for the #2 RB spot can't play the first 8 games. Duke can either continue complaining - or giddy-up and get after it.
Duke is the only guy on the Browns I see complaining.
No, when Chubb got promoted - Dorsey looked at the numbers favoring Duke over Hyde; and he kept Duke as our #2 RB and traded Hyde.
Hyde was the feature back, power running type (an older player). Dorsey then drafted Chubb to be the new feature back. Duke's roll didn't change. Pass catching (and pass blocking) RB, who spells the feature back. - Duke gets 3rd and long draw plays which help to push up his YPC. They don't envision him as a feature back. And when/if/how, Hunt shows up, Duke's roll will diminish more.
Since Duke got paid, the position has received two major upgrades.
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No, when Chubb got promoted - Dorsey looked at the numbers favoring Duke over Hyde; and he kept Duke as our #2 RB and traded Hyde.
Hyde was the feature back, power running type (an older player). Dorsey then drafted Chubb to be the new feature back. Duke's roll didn't change. Pass catching (and pass blocking) RB, who spells the feature back. - Duke gets 3rd and long draw plays which help to push up his YPC. They don't envision him as a feature back. And when/if/how, Hunt shows up, Duke's roll will diminish more.
Since Duke got paid, the position has received two major upgrades.
Hyde was the feature back, power running type (an older player). Dorsey then drafted Chubb to be the new feature back. Duke's roll didn't change. Pass catching (and pass blocking) RB, who spells the feature back. - Duke gets 3rd and long draw plays which help to push up his YPC. They don't envision him as a feature back. And when/if/how, Hunt shows up, Duke's roll will diminish.
So, now that you've finally educated yourself on the difference between a feature back and a 3rd down back - you know the difference between a #1 and #2 RB on the depth chart. Better player deserves more reps. We're not changing football here.
Hunt will eventually threaten the feature back's reps since he was talented enough to be the AFC Offensive Rookie of the Year as a feature back (but missing 8 games could/should push that back to 2020). If Duke's role does diminish - then you agree with me that there is a #1, #2, and #3 RB based on who can help us most with their overall talent. The guy with the most limitations will be #3. Looking at your last comment - you and Duke agree that guy will be Duke.
Again, is Dorsey here to deliver us a sorority house catering to whose got hurt feelings or a playoff team?
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Hyde was the feature back, power running type (an older player). Dorsey then drafted Chubb to be the new feature back. Duke's roll didn't change. Pass catching (and pass blocking) RB, who spells the feature back. - Duke gets 3rd and long draw plays which help to push up his YPC. They don't envision him as a feature back. And when/if/how, Hunt shows up, Duke's roll will diminish.
So, now that you've finally educated yourself on the difference between a feature back and a 3rd down back - you know the difference between a #1 and #2 RB on the depth chart. Better player deserves more reps. We're not changing football here.
Hunt will eventually threaten the feature back's reps since he was talented enough to be the AFC Offensive Rookie of the Year as a feature back (but missing 8 games could/should push that back to 2020). If Duke's role does diminish - then you agree with me that there is a #1, #2, and #3 RB based on who can help us most with their overall talent. The guy with the most limitations will be #3. Looking at your last comment - you and Duke agree that guy will be Duke.
Again, is Dorsey here to deliver us a sorority house catering to whose got hurt feelings or a playoff team?
Again, is Dorsey here to deliver us a sorority house catering to whose got hurt feelings or a playoff team?
Again, we do not live in the Bill Parcells era anymore. You can't call Terry Glenn 'she' because you wanted a lineman drafted instead. Dorsey came right out and told us , I'm not a wordsmith.' And it was that un-wordsmithed word, 'yet', that raised the Duke situation up a couple of notches.
John Cleese said in an interview a few years back, 'You can't even play a college campus anymore. Comedy is satire. It's ridicule. And now everyone gets their little feelings hurt'.
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As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
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As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
Then why are you talking about it? Why should that prohibition be limited to just fellow players. Maybe fans should STFU about a player's money. I can almost guarantee you that a player would rather have another player talk about his money than to have a bunch of idiot fans be talking about it.
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As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
Well, no one is talking about his "money" or moves.....in fact, Duke has a HUGE contract for what he has done to this point.....8th highest RB salary in the entire league.....and even with that, he is causing waves on a team that is all positive vibes right now.
For the umth time, Baker simply said get on the train or get off. Which is perfect!!! This sitting on fence whining is for pussies.
The team leader(Baker) has every right....and responsibility....to maintain and build team chemistry. If a player is openly unhappy and wants out and is not a positive influence on his team and teammates, then the leader can(and should) speak up(if asked).
No one gives 2 craps about Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers or what anyone else does or doesn't do. Each leader leads his own way and there is no one way that is best. Whatever works.
Duke has his contract. Duke has his team. Its his job(and his agents) to shut up and perform or to leave. Of course, he wont leave because the Browns have made him a richer man than he deserves to be.....
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/veteran/
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As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
Well, no one is talking about his "money" or moves.....in fact, Duke has a HUGE contract for what he has done to this point.....8th highest RB salary in the entire league.....and even with that, he is causing waves on a team that is all positive vibes right now.
For the umth time, Baker simply said get on the train or get off. Which is perfect!!! This sitting on fence whining is for pussies.
The team leader(Baker) has every right....and responsibility....to maintain and build team chemistry. If a player is openly unhappy and wants out and is not a positive influence on his team and teammates, then the leader can(and should) speak up(if asked).
No one gives 2 craps about Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers or what anyone else does or doesn't do. Each leader leads his own way and there is no one way that is best. Whatever works.
Duke has his contract. Duke has his team. Its his job(and his agents) to shut up and perform or to leave. Of course, he wont leave because the Browns have made him a richer man than he deserves to be.....
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/veteran/
Well, no one is talking about his "money" or moves.....in fact, Duke has a HUGE contract for what he has done to this point.....8th highest RB salary in the entire league.....and even with that, he is causing waves on a team that is all positive vibes right now.
For the umth time, Baker simply said get on the train or get off. Which is perfect!!! This sitting on fence whining is for pussies.
The team leader(Baker) has every right....and responsibility....to maintain and build team chemistry. If a player is openly unhappy and wants out and is not a positive influence on his team and teammates, then the leader can(and should) speak up(if asked).
No one gives 2 craps about Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers or what anyone else does or doesn't do. Each leader leads his own way and there is no one way that is best. Whatever works.
Duke has his contract. Duke has his team. Its his job(and his agents) to shut up and perform or to leave. Of course, he wont leave because the Browns have made him a richer man than he deserves to be.....
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/veteran/
IMHO you couldn't have said it better John. I, for one, agree with you.
Mike
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I respectfully disagree.....much like responding to entertainment heads that are clearly baiting him, to telling Duke "You are on the team or you're not"......he needs to not go there. 2nd year QB and you didn't have Brady, Rodgers, Brees.....going there and they had ample opportunity.
I respectfully disagree.....much like responding to entertainment heads that are clearly baiting him, to telling Duke "You are on the team or you're not"......he needs to not go there. 2nd year QB and you didn't have Brady, Rodgers, Brees.....going there and they had ample opportunity.
What football were you watching in those days? I don't even care that you have your opinion on this situation btw. But those certainly aren't good examples to use for your argument about Baker.
Rodgers was the backup QB going into his 2nd year, so he certainly didn't have the clout Baker does now.
Brady was also the backup going into his second season. It wasn't until into the season he became the starter after Bledsoe got hurt.
Brees going into his 2nd season, not as a 1st round pick mind you, he was actually the starter going into that season. But he was replaced as the starter in that season by Doug Flutie. And as mentioned by someone else, the next year SD had the 1st pick and selected Eli Manning, who they then traded for Rivers.
So while you may have a point (maybe not), its certainly an opinion that you are entitled to, those are not good examples to prove a point.
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Again, is Dorsey here to deliver us a sorority house catering to whose got hurt feelings or a playoff team?
Again, we do not live in the Bill Parcells era anymore. You can't call Terry Glenn 'she' because you wanted a lineman drafted instead. Dorsey came right out and told us , I'm not a wordsmith.' And it was that un-wordsmithed word, 'yet', that raised the Duke situation up a couple of notches.
John Cleese said in an interview a few years back, 'You can't even play a college campus anymore. Comedy is satire. It's ridicule. And now everyone gets their little feelings hurt'.
Again, we do not live in the Bill Parcells era anymore. You can't call Terry Glenn 'she' because you wanted a lineman drafted instead. Dorsey came right out and told us , I'm not a wordsmith.' And it was that un-wordsmithed word, 'yet', that raised the Duke situation up a couple of notches.
John Cleese said in an interview a few years back, 'You can't even play a college campus anymore. Comedy is satire. It's ridicule. And now everyone gets their little feelings hurt'.
First, Terry Glenn was the UPI and SI Rookie of the Year in 96 so I'm sure he appreciated the kick in the pants after it was all said and done. When Parcells became the Head Coach of the Cowboys in 2003, guess who told his agent he wanted to go play there? Terry Glenn. In fact, both guys closed their careers in Dallas. Parcells was there 2003-2006 and Glenn was there 2003-2007. Does that happen without mutual respect earned?
Football is the entertainment industry as they like to say especially when they want to get paid. Duke got paid and the guy that gave him the raise said he's not trading him yet. This ant hill doesn't have to be the mountain you want it to be for some reason. Now that we have a FO guy upgrading talent all over this roster - is this really all you want to dwell on?
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Again, we do not live in the Bill Parcells era anymore. You can't call Terry Glenn 'she' because you wanted a lineman drafted instead. Dorsey came right out and told us , I'm not a wordsmith.' And it was that un-wordsmithed word, 'yet', that raised the Duke situation up a couple of notches.
John Cleese said in an interview a few years back, 'You can't even play a college campus anymore. Comedy is satire. It's ridicule. And now everyone gets their little feelings hurt'.
First, Terry Glenn was the UPI and SI Rookie of the Year in 96 so I'm sure he appreciated the kick in the pants after it was all said and done. When Parcells became the Head Coach of the Cowboys in 2003, guess who told his agent he wanted to go play there? Terry Glenn. In fact, both guys closed their careers in Dallas. Parcells was there 2003-2006 and Glenn was there 2003-2007. Does that happen without mutual respect earned?
Football is the entertainment industry as they like to say especially when they want to get paid. Duke got paid and the guy that gave him the raise said he's not trading him yet. This ant hill doesn't have to be the mountain you want it to be for some reason. Now that we have a FO guy upgrading talent all over this roster - is this really all you want to dwell on?
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I stated my view. You're the one who kept commenting on it. I'm not gonna change my view....no matter how many times you reply to it.
Obviously you would fit in quite well on the Polyboard.?
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As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
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I respectfully disagree.....much like responding to entertainment heads that are clearly baiting him, to telling Duke "You are on the team or you're not"......he needs to not go there. 2nd year QB and you didn't have Brady, Rodgers, Brees.....going there and they had ample opportunity.
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As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
Rumor has it, the husband of Duke's agent has been hitting the cyberspace message boards hard lately.
I wonder how many times Duke tapped that guy's naughty wife while blowing off the voluntary mini camps for Frisky Business...
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