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  • DieselPusher D One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4362115

    Tuesday, July 28, 2009

    Sources: Phils looking at Lee

    By Buster Olney

    ESPN The Magazine

    The Phillies are intent on getting a front-line starting pitcher, whether they get Roy Halladay or not, and with the Indians' Cliff Lee seemingly lined up as the clear No. 2 choice for Philadelphia, officials with both teams are doing extensive background work on some minor leaguers who might be included in a trade, sources said on Tuesday.

    The Indians' preference has been to get a major league-ready talent in return for Lee, in order to better position themselves to contend in 2010, and Kyle Drabek is the pitcher in the Phillies' organization who best fits that description. But the Phillies have been trying to make a Halladay deal without involving Drabek, and presumably, they'd be even more reluctant to trade Drabek for Lee.

    The Indians, then, are evaluating the Phillies' farm system to see if they can fashion a deal with high-ceiling young talent -- which is why they're scouting Jason Knapp, a 6-foot-5, 240-pound pitcher who was the Phillies' second-round pick in 2008. Knapp was recently shut down because of shoulder fatigue, but he had shown enormous potential, striking out 111 in 85 1/3 innings while pitching in Class A and accumulating a 4.01 ERA.

    One official familiar with the negotiations believes that the Phillies have enough high-end young pitching talent to build a deal for Lee without involving Drabek. The Indians are stocked with young position players but lack high-end pitching talent in their farm system.

    Lee, who turns 31 next month, is having another solid season for the Indians, posting a 3.14 ERA while walking just 33 in 152 innings. He will make $8 million in 2010 and then be eligible for free agency.

    The Phillies' preference has been to trade for Halladay, and Philadelphia has always matched up well with the Jays in possibly arranging a package of players. But the Jays have insisted that Drabek and J.A. Happ be included in the trade, and the Phillies have said no; the two sides have remained at an impasse in their talks since Saturday.

    Senior writer Buster Olney covers Major League Baseball for ESPN The Magazine.

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      P Pumpkin Eater wrote on last edited by
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      If Shapiro trades Lee before the middle of next season it says alot. It says he knows he has a shit ball club that won't contend next season. If he really thought the Tribe had a chance in 2010 why wouldn't he keep their best pitcher?

      I'm tired of this shit.

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        C CIMO. wrote on last edited by
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        Yeah, unless Shapiro gets really blown away by a deal, which I don't think Philly has the prospects to do...especially if they don't want to give up Drabek, I really can't see Lee getting dealt.

        I think we'd need a true ace caliber pitcher at at least AA, two high-upside guys, and a throw-in. Anything less and we should just wait til next year.

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          Yeah, unless Shapiro gets really blown away by a deal, which I don't think Philly has the prospects to do...especially if they don't want to give up Drabek, I really can't see Lee getting dealt.

          I think we'd need a true ace caliber pitcher at at least AA, two high-upside guys, and a throw-in. Anything less and we should just wait til next year.

          LCDawgFan13 LCDawgFan13L One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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          LCDawgFan13L LCDawgFan13 wrote on last edited by
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          @cimo. said:

          Yeah, unless Shapiro gets really blown away by a deal, which I don't think Philly has the prospects to do...especially if they don't want to give up Drabek, I really can't see Lee getting dealt.

          I think we'd need a true ace caliber pitcher at at least AA, two high-upside guys, and a throw-in. Anything less and we should just wait til next year.

          Agreed...If Shapiro is going to deal Lee, and expect to sell tickets next season, then he has to get at least one player that will play on the big league club NEXT YEAR...if not the end of this year! I agree with the other trade requirements. But that first one has got to be a big league prospect...not a 2-3 year down the road prospect...which is why I personally think that Drabek has got to be included, or no deal should be done.

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            Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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            It's like the good old Cleveland Indians days at Municipal. 82,000 seats and only 2,500 of them filled. I used to yell to my friend across the field. Corey Snider didn't like that.

            Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12
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              Carlos Carrasco was scratched from his start today, and Lou Marson (Catcher) and Jason Donald (SS) out of the lineup. Seems like the Phillies are about to make a trade, and it doesn't look like it's with us.

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                C CIMO. wrote on last edited by CIMO.
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                Philly people (and Jayson Stark) seem to think it's a done deal...

                The Tribe can't actually be looking to add a catcher or a shortstop with Santana and Cabrera seeming like pretty good long term options...can they?

                Carrasco would be a good get, though. Only 22 years old pitching in AAA, he was deemed untouchable last year but things change fast in the minors. He has top 2 starter stuff, and is still learning. He's having the worst year of his minor league career this year, so we might be getting a good package with his value at its lowest.

                He'll definitely be given a shot to start for Cleveland in 2010, if not sooner, if the deal goes through.

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                  Philly people (and Jayson Stark) seem to think it's a done deal...

                  The Tribe can't actually be looking to add a catcher or a shortstop with Santana and Cabrera seeming like pretty good long term options...can they?

                  Carrasco would be a good get, though. Only 22 years old pitching in AAA, he was deemed untouchable last year but things change fast in the minors. He has top 2 starter stuff, and is still learning. He's having the worst year of his minor league career this year, so we might be getting a good package with his value at its lowest.

                  He'll definitely be given a shot to start for Cleveland in 2010, if not sooner, if the deal goes through.

                  LCDawgFan13 LCDawgFan13L One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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                  LCDawgFan13L LCDawgFan13 wrote on last edited by
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                  @cimo. said:

                  Philly people (and Jayson Stark) seem to think it's a done deal...

                  The Tribe can't actually be looking to add a catcher or a shortstop with Santana and Cabrera seeming like pretty good long term options...can they?

                  Carrasco would be a good get, though. Only 22 years old pitching in AAA, he was deemed untouchable last year but things change fast in the minors. He has top 2 starter stuff, and is still learning. He's having the worst year of his minor league career this year, so we might be getting a good package with his value at its lowest.

                  He'll definitely be given a shot to start for Cleveland in 2010, if not sooner, if the deal goes through.

                  I don't like it. I like Carrasco, but where do Marsen and Donald fit in? We aren't lacking at Catcher or Short! I also still think that either Drabek or Happ need to be included in the deal. Cliff Lee is a Cy Young pitcher and a clear #1 quality starter. He would be right with league leaders this season if he had a little run support. As it is, he leads the AL in Innings pitched and is among the leaders in SO, CG, and WHIP. He has a 3.14 ERA...not to shabby there either! He has clearly proven that he belongs in the league. We gotta get something more for him.

                  On a sidenote...Who would have ever believed that ANY team would trade away Cy Young pitchers in back to back season...let alone the Indians?

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                    C CIMO. wrote on last edited by
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                    I'm still not buying it yet...every report mentions the Indians have 3 scouts watching the Phillies' AAA team...but they don't mention that they're playing the CLIPPERS. Could it be that we might like to see our own guys in action?

                    Combined with the catcher and shortstop being pulled...it doesn't really add up. Carrasco is the only piece that makes sense.

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                      C CIMO. wrote on last edited by CIMO.
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                      Well, nevermind. Now Castro is reporting it's Cliff and Francisco for 4 prospects.

                      The prospects seem to be Carrasco, Marson, Donald, and Jason Knapp, a big Right-handed starter with a 97 MPH fastball in A ball, who's not even 19 yet.

                      I can't understand Marson or Donald at all...but Carrasco and Knapp both make a lot of sense, one young, close to major league ready starter with top 2 potential, and a huge upside guy in A ball.

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