Christian "morality"; Pastor refuses dying man a funeral because his son is gay
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Can't imagine it being very Christ-like denying anyone a chance to speak of appreciation, love and respect for one's parent. Regardless of their orientation.
This is the very fabric of the 4th commandment.
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Compared to God we are like sheep (and He is the "good" Shephard) and that comparison is accurate...I humble myself and admit it.
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Just leave the money on top of the TV when the Rev completes the sermon.?
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Comparing the religious to an easily lead house pet is something I think even Richard Dawkins would have avoided.
Compared to God we are like sheep (and He is the "good" Shephard) and that comparison is accurate...I humble myself and admit it.
Compared to God we are like sheep (and He is the "good" Shephard) and that comparison is accurate...I humble myself and admit it.
I've never liked the analogy of God being a "good shepherd" and referring to my fellow humans as "sheep", because shepherds never tend to flocks out of the goodness of their hearts; shepherds tend to keep sheep in order to fleece, fuck or fix them for dinner.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
At first glance this seems worse than it is. It seems like the church is just being bigoted, cold and heartless in denying a dying man's last wish. It is not however that they want to refuse the man a funeral in their church it is the demand that the openly gay son participate in the funeral in the sanctuary of their church. Let's say the church wouldn't let the son participate in the funeral because he was openly committing adultery. Would there be a big outcry? Probably not, yet that is an accurate comparison. Just because the government says homosexuality is a civil right the bible still teaches that it is no more of a civil right than adultery is a civil right. Most bible believing churches I know of don't disallow gays to attend their church but they do not allow them in any type of leadership or ministry and the reason is because they are they are living a lifestyle the bible expressly forbids.
At first glance this seems worse than it is. It seems like the church is just being bigoted, cold and heartless in denying a dying man's last wish. It is not however that they want to refuse the man a funeral in their church it is the demand that the openly gay son participate in the funeral in the sanctuary of their church. Let's say the church wouldn't let the son participate in the funeral because he was openly committing adultery. Would there be a big outcry? Probably not, yet that is an accurate comparison. Just because the government says homosexuality is a civil right the bible still teaches that it is no more of a civil right than adultery is a civil right. Most bible believing churches I know of don't disallow gays to attend their church but they do not allow them in any type of leadership or ministry and the reason is because they are they are living a lifestyle the bible expressly forbids.
I think you just demonstrated Dr. Weinberg's point. Only the blindly religious would have the audacity to rationalize such behaviour. For shame.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
Either with Him or eternally separated from Him. No matter what hell is like eternal separation from God is enough for me to want to avoid it, I don't need the flames, worms and sulfur the bible speaks about.
Hot damn in that we are in agreement. And I was not predestined to believe it either.?
Hot damn in that we are in agreement. And I was not predestined to believe it either.?
You were...you just haven't realized it yet.
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At first glance this seems worse than it is. It seems like the church is just being bigoted, cold and heartless in denying a dying man's last wish. It is not however that they want to refuse the man a funeral in their church it is the demand that the openly gay son participate in the funeral in the sanctuary of their church. Let's say the church wouldn't let the son participate in the funeral because he was openly committing adultery. Would there be a big outcry? Probably not, yet that is an accurate comparison. Just because the government says homosexuality is a civil right the bible still teaches that it is no more of a civil right than adultery is a civil right. Most bible believing churches I know of don't disallow gays to attend their church but they do not allow them in any type of leadership or ministry and the reason is because they are they are living a lifestyle the bible expressly forbids.
I think you just demonstrated Dr. Weinberg's point. Only the blindly religious would have the audacity to rationalize such behaviour. For shame.
I think you just demonstrated Dr. Weinberg's point. Only the blindly religious would have the audacity to rationalize such behaviour. For shame.
I always loved Israel and the Jewish people but if my dying wish was to have my funeral in a synagogue with my Christian son singing a Christian song and I get denied my request, I'm not taking offense to that.
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Or I spend my limited time on the Earth trying to make the most of it, not constrained by rules created by sand merchants from 2000 years ago.
I made the most of my life. How many people can look back on their life and say they have no regrets? I can say that. So not only have I lived the best life possible in this life I have that future hope that you do not have.
Are there some constraints as a believer. Yes. We have a huge amount of freedom in our faith but it is freedom within a fence. My dog has total freedom in our house and she has a large fenced in back yard to roam. She is safe that way but if she gets out of the fence she could get hit by a car or attacked by another dog or stolen or any number of things. I am convinced the limited restraints we have are for our own good.
Are there some constraints as a believer. Yes. We have a huge amount of freedom in our faith but it is freedom within a fence. My dog has total freedom in our house and she has a large fenced in back yard to roam. She is safe that way but if she gets out of the fence she could get hit by a car or attacked by another dog or stolen or any number of things. I am convinced the limited restraints we have are for our own good.
yeeesh
careful you don't start doing anything too radical like asking questions...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Compared to God we are like sheep (and He is the "good" Shephard) and that comparison is accurate...I humble myself and admit it.
I've never liked the analogy of God being a "good shepherd" and referring to my fellow humans as "sheep", because shepherds never tend to flocks out of the goodness of their hearts; shepherds tend to keep sheep in order to fleece, fuck or fix them for dinner.
I've never liked the analogy of God being a "good shepherd" and referring to my fellow humans as "sheep", because shepherds never tend to flocks out of the goodness of their hearts; shepherds tend to keep sheep in order to fleece, fuck or fix them for dinner.
That is what the bible speaks about the "good shepherd" and makes that distinction you speak of other shepherds as just being the hired hands who don't really care about the sheep. This good shepherd was one who would lay his life down for the sheep. I'm fine with the analogy of sheep...we are what we are.
This is a good place to put in a little bible teaching about that good shephard. In Psalm 23 David says the Lord is my shepherd I shall not want...He maketh me to lay down in green pastures..500 years later when Jesus multiplied the loaves of bread and the fish in the bible it says He made them lay down in green grass (pasture) when He fed them...
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Are there some constraints as a believer. Yes. We have a huge amount of freedom in our faith but it is freedom within a fence. My dog has total freedom in our house and she has a large fenced in back yard to roam. She is safe that way but if she gets out of the fence she could get hit by a car or attacked by another dog or stolen or any number of things. I am convinced the limited restraints we have are for our own good.
yeeesh
careful you don't start doing anything too radical like asking questions...
yeeesh
careful you don't start doing anything too radical like asking questions...
The question you should ask is the impossible bridge you can never cross (believing out nothing came the universe and all of creation). You can make science your god but there is nothing in science that can back that up, it goes against all science...
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Compared to God we are like sheep (and He is the "good" Shephard) and that comparison is accurate...I humble myself and admit it.
I've never liked the analogy of God being a "good shepherd" and referring to my fellow humans as "sheep", because shepherds never tend to flocks out of the goodness of their hearts; shepherds tend to keep sheep in order to fleece, fuck or fix them for dinner.
I've never liked the analogy of God being a "good shepherd" and referring to my fellow humans as "sheep", because shepherds never tend to flocks out of the goodness of their hearts; shepherds tend to keep sheep in order to fleece, fuck or fix them for dinner.
Except it's not in relation to God. It was Jesus who said that of himself...that like a good shepherd he would lay down his life to try and save his sheep. Which he did. I am positive he wasn't out to fleece.
Am I right OBF?
Your point being invalid is bad enough. You didn't have to include a racist remark.
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I've never liked the analogy of God being a "good shepherd" and referring to my fellow humans as "sheep", because shepherds never tend to flocks out of the goodness of their hearts; shepherds tend to keep sheep in order to fleece, fuck or fix them for dinner.
Except it's not in relation to God. It was Jesus who said that of himself...that like a good shepherd he would lay down his life to try and save his sheep. Which he did. I am positive he wasn't out to fleece.
Am I right OBF?
Your point being invalid is bad enough. You didn't have to include a racist remark.
Except it's not in relation to God. It was Jesus who said that of himself...that like a good shepherd he would lay down his life to try and save his sheep. Which he did. I am positive he wasn't out to fleece. Am I right OBF?
Your point being invalid is bad enough. You didn't have to include a racist remark.
Jesus makes the distinction between the shepherds who were hired hands who didn't care much about the welfare of the flock and makes the comparison that He was the good shepherd who loves the flock so much he would lay his life down for them.
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yeeesh
careful you don't start doing anything too radical like asking questions...
The question you should ask is the impossible bridge you can never cross (believing out nothing came the universe and all of creation). You can make science your god but there is nothing in science that can back that up, it goes against all science...
The question you should ask is the impossible bridge you can never cross (believing out nothing came the universe and all of creation). You can make science your god but there is nothing in science that can back that up, it goes against all science...
Thanks for your input on science Mr. "I think a guy lived inside of a whale".
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Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I've never liked the analogy of God being a "good shepherd" and referring to my fellow humans as "sheep", because shepherds never tend to flocks out of the goodness of their hearts; shepherds tend to keep sheep in order to fleece, fuck or fix them for dinner.
Except it's not in relation to God. It was Jesus who said that of himself...that like a good shepherd he would lay down his life to try and save his sheep. Which he did. I am positive he wasn't out to fleece.
Am I right OBF?
Your point being invalid is bad enough. You didn't have to include a racist remark.
Except it's not in relation to God. It was Jesus who said that of himself...that like a good shepherd he would lay down his life to try and save his sheep. Which he did. I am positive he wasn't out to fleece. Am I right OBF?
Your point being invalid is bad enough. You didn't have to include a racist remark.
Christianity is a religious belief, not a race. How libtard of you to suggest otherwise.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
I've never liked the analogy of God being a "good shepherd" and referring to my fellow humans as "sheep", because shepherds never tend to flocks out of the goodness of their hearts; shepherds tend to keep sheep in order to fleece, fuck or fix them for dinner.
Except it's not in relation to God. It was Jesus who said that of himself...that like a good shepherd he would lay down his life to try and save his sheep. Which he did. I am positive he wasn't out to fleece.
Am I right OBF?
Your point being invalid is bad enough. You didn't have to include a racist remark.
Except it's not in relation to God. It was Jesus who said that of himself...that like a good shepherd he would lay down his life to try and save his sheep. Which he did. I am positive he wasn't out to fleece.
Am I right OBF?
Your point being invalid is bad enough. You didn't have to include a racist remark.
Oh nevermind OBF.
Jesus spoke to me!
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Except it's not in relation to God. It was Jesus who said that of himself...that like a good shepherd he would lay down his life to try and save his sheep. Which he did. I am positive he wasn't out to fleece. Am I right OBF?
Your point being invalid is bad enough. You didn't have to include a racist remark.
Christianity is a religious belief, not a race. How libtard of you to suggest otherwise.
Christianity is a religious belief, not a race. How libtard of you to suggest otherwise.
You missed the point again..
"shepherds tend to keep sheep in order to fleece, fuck or fix them for dinner. "
So Biblical sheep herders fucked sheep huh? Not a very nice thing for morally superior lib to say is it?
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Except it's not in relation to God. It was Jesus who said that of himself...that like a good shepherd he would lay down his life to try and save his sheep. Which he did. I am positive he wasn't out to fleece.
Am I right OBF?
Your point being invalid is bad enough. You didn't have to include a racist remark.
Oh nevermind OBF.
Jesus spoke to me!
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The question you should ask is the impossible bridge you can never cross (believing out nothing came the universe and all of creation). You can make science your god but there is nothing in science that can back that up, it goes against all science...
Thanks for your input on science Mr. "I think a guy lived inside of a whale".
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Thanks for your input on science Mr. "I think a guy lived inside of a whale".
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For a man to live inside a whale for 3 days that would take a miracle...I believe in miracles. I would say you do as well if you believe that all of creation sprang from nothing so I just believe in different miracles?
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Except it's not in relation to God. It was Jesus who said that of himself...that like a good shepherd he would lay down his life to try and save his sheep. Which he did. I am positive he wasn't out to fleece. Am I right OBF?
Your point being invalid is bad enough. You didn't have to include a racist remark.
Christianity is a religious belief, not a race. How libtard of you to suggest otherwise.
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Christianity is a religious belief, not a race. How libtard of you to suggest otherwise.
You missed the point again..
"shepherds tend to keep sheep in order to fleece, fuck or fix them for dinner. "
So Biblical sheep herders fucked sheep huh? Not a very nice thing for morally superior lib to say is it?
You missed the point again..
"shepherds tend to keep sheep in order to fleece, fuck or fix them for dinner. "
So Biblical sheep herders fucked sheep huh? Not a very nice thing for morally superior lib to say is it?
Well, seeing as how the Bible refers to beastiality several times, I'd say it might have been at least an appreciable enough annoyance to the ancient Israelites for them to prescribe the death penalty for the offender and the offended livestock, so you tell me. ?
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
Here's the difference OBF
When you don't understand something you immediately point to "God", "miracles", etc. and then you call it a day. That's it. You don't ask questions. You don't try to learn more. You're complacent being in your little box and following the rules you were taught.
Luckily that isn't everyone. There are people out there that, when they don't know the answer to something, they ask questions. They try to learn more. They try to understand. They don't just chalk it up to a magic wizard and call it a day. It's because of those type of people you have the life you do today.
OBF from hundreds of years ago is praying to God the sun comes up everyday. How does it happen? He has no idea and he doesn't try to find out. He's content being ignorant. That's dangerous.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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