BREAKING: Declass To Happen By Wednesday!
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i may be wrong on this, but if my memory serves me correct werent the only "christians" opposing slavery the quakers?
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So owning other people as farm equipment as an accepted institution wasn’t our spiritual low? I am not religious but I gotta think that generationally owning humans against their will rates out as worse than two dudes smooching without getting hit by rocks.
And who led the charge against slavery but Christians so that argument goes both ways. We have had sin in the world since Cain smacked Abel with a rock but the cure has always been turning to God and today we see our country turning away from God.
And who led the charge against slavery but Christians so that argument goes both ways. We have had sin in the world since Cain smacked Abel with a rock but the cure has always been turning to God and today we see our country turning away from God.
So we are in worst straits than we were during slavery? Interesting.
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So owning other people as farm equipment as an accepted institution wasn’t our spiritual low? I am not religious but I gotta think that generationally owning humans against their will rates out as worse than two dudes smooching without getting hit by rocks.
jesus fuck thank god theres still some normal kunts round here with their rational senses still intact
jesus fuck thank god theres still some normal kunts round here with their rational senses still intact
Shut up nutbag.
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I have no doubt about it. We are living in the end times...too many signs to deny it. What we are seeing now is the great falling away spoken of when some churches are leaving clear bible teachings to gain acceptance with the world.
Another Denomination Slips Into the Great Falling Away
u see the spiritual degredation thats happened to us as the result of "fagsNdykes".....nothing to do with the greed, corruption, exploitation...thats been plaguing our country since tge start of the industrial revolution. Ur lost in the tall weeds. U dobt understand how much you'fe been divorced from ur true nature, as all of us have.
We have no idea how to live sustainably anymore....all we can do is act like a parasite. But sone fucking piece of shit book written 2000 years ago by pieces of human shit....has blinded u to the true reality of our fall. So fagsNdykes, and now some other variants....are to blame. Gotta scapegoat someone cause we cant have people thinking rationally.
u see the spiritual degredation thats happened to us as the result of "fagsNdykes".....nothing to do with the greed, corruption, exploitation...thats been plaguing our country since tge start of the industrial revolution. Ur lost in the tall weeds. U dobt understand how much you'fe been divorced from ur true nature, as all of us have.
We have no idea how to live sustainably anymore....all we can do is act like a parasite. But sone fucking piece of shit book written 2000 years ago by pieces of human shit....has blinded u to the true reality of our fall. So fagsNdykes, and now some other variants....are to blame. Gotta scapegoat someone cause we cant have people thinking rationally.
Triggered!
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And who led the charge against slavery but Christians so that argument goes both ways. We have had sin in the world since Cain smacked Abel with a rock but the cure has always been turning to God and today we see our country turning away from God.
So we are in worst straits than we were during slavery? Interesting.
So we are in worst straits than we were during slavery? Interesting.
We are in worse straits because so many in the nation now have determined they don't want God and guess what God will oblige them. We have always been in bad straits even after slavery we had evil such as the KKK and Jim Crow laws etc.. but the difference today is the push to do away with any mooring to God...that is different today than at any other time in our history.
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i may be wrong on this, but if my memory serves me correct werent the only "christians" opposing slavery the quakers?
i may be wrong on this, but if my memory serves me correct werent the only "christians" opposing slavery the quakers?
No by and large it was Christians of many different denominations (primarily evangelicals from what I read) who led the way against slavery. No doubt there are some who called themselves Christians who also were on the wrong side of slavery.
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jesus fuck thank god theres still some normal kunts round here with their rational senses still intact
Shut up nutbag.
Shut up nutbag.
suck me sideways nickel dick.
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I like at the beginning of the article they make clear they do not set any dates..when Jesus himself could not set the date of HIs return saying only the Father knew that time. I never understood why some mere human beings in the past thought they could know more than Jesus (Ok they were deceived). Watching for signs of the times is good and commendable but not trying to figure out exact dates because nobody knows, Jesus didn't even know, only the Father.
Want to take bets on which happens first? The release of this declassified data or Jesus' return? Both have been spoken about for a long time, yet both seem to continue to fail in meeting expectations...
I get the feeling you think in your mind if only the entire world believed like you we would be living in some utopian society (never happen).
That's actually how the Christians and the religious in general tend to think, funnily enough.
And I agree with you; the forced implementation of religious theocratic beliefs in the chase of some hypothetical utopia has never worked and has caused much pain and misery in the pursuit of it.
And who led the charge against slavery but Christians so that argument goes both ways. We have had sin in the world since Cain smacked Abel with a rock but the cure has always been turning to God and today we see our country turning away from God.
Yes, the argument does go both ways, but you can't point to the abolitionists who used their religious beliefs to decry slavery while simply glossing over the actual religious justifications for slavery in the Bible that pro-slavery Southerns used as well. It's not like they were pulling this stuff out of thin air; its clearly written in several passages in the Bible where God and Jesus not only condoned slavery, but actually commanded for it to happen.
And you also fail to take into account those secular or non-religious individuals who didn't have to search the Scriptures to know that enslaving and making chattel of their fellow human beings was morally reprehensible.
Want to take bets on which happens first? The release of this declassified data or Jesus' return? Both have been spoken about for a long time, yet both seem to continue to fail in meeting expectations...
The bible does not give the date for the Lord's return it just gives us signs to watch. Sure over 100 years ago you had some preaching they were living in the end times yet some major prophecy had not yet been fulfilled such as the return of the Jewish people to Israel (fulfilled in 1948). Now the last major prophecy that will come is the rebuilding of the temple. I used to think we still had a bit of time left because it would take Israel a bit of time to build an elaborate temple but then I remembered before they had that temple they had a tabernacle which was just a tent. They could put that up quickly.
That's actually how the Christians and the religious in general tend to think, funnily enough.
And I agree with you; the forced implementation of religious theocratic beliefs in the chase of some hypothetical utopia has never worked and has caused much pain and misery in the pursuit of it.
What we have seen in atheist countries such as China and other Godless communist countries is not any type of place most freedom loving Americans would want to live.
Yes, the argument does go both ways, but you can't point to the abolitionists who used their religious beliefs to decry slavery while simply glossing over the actual religious justifications for slavery in the Bible that pro-slavery Southerns used as well. It's not like they were pulling this stuff out of thin air; its clearly written in several passages in the Bible where God and Jesus not only condoned slavery, but actually commanded for it to happen.
And you also fail to take into account those secular or non-religious individuals who didn't have to search the Scriptures to know that enslaving and making chattel of their fellow human beings was morally reprehensible.
Doesn’t the Bible Support Slavery?
https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/doesnt-the-bible-support-slavery/
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Mrs. OBF just asked me who Jim mad dog Mattis was. I told her he was Trump's former sec of defense..why?
"He's following me on twitter"... she also told me Gen Flynn was too. I have never been on twitter but maybe I should start.
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So we are in worst straits than we were during slavery? Interesting.
We are in worse straits because so many in the nation now have determined they don't want God and guess what God will oblige them. We have always been in bad straits even after slavery we had evil such as the KKK and Jim Crow laws etc.. but the difference today is the push to do away with any mooring to God...that is different today than at any other time in our history.
We are in worse straits because so many in the nation now have determined they don't want God and guess what God will oblige them. We have always been in bad straits even after slavery we had evil such as the KKK and Jim Crow laws etc.. but the difference today is the push to do away with any mooring to God...that is different today than at any other time in our history.
I bet black people, women, hell just about anyone else other than white guys would say they are having a much better time now than the “good old spiritual” days.
Hell in human history we have been at our shittiest at our most religious.
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We are in worse straits because so many in the nation now have determined they don't want God and guess what God will oblige them. We have always been in bad straits even after slavery we had evil such as the KKK and Jim Crow laws etc.. but the difference today is the push to do away with any mooring to God...that is different today than at any other time in our history.
I bet black people, women, hell just about anyone else other than white guys would say they are having a much better time now than the “good old spiritual” days.
Hell in human history we have been at our shittiest at our most religious.
I bet black people, women, hell just about anyone else other than white guys would say they are having a much better time now than the “good old spiritual” days.
Hell in human history we have been at our shittiest at our most religious.
Was Hitler religious? Stalin? According to your world Logic those should have been the best of times..or even atheist China today.
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I bet black people, women, hell just about anyone else other than white guys would say they are having a much better time now than the “good old spiritual” days.
Hell in human history we have been at our shittiest at our most religious.
Was Hitler religious? Stalin? According to your world Logic those should have been the best of times..or even atheist China today.
Was Hitler religious? Stalin? According to your world Logic those should have been the best of times..or even atheist China today.
Were we more religious as a whole during the 1940s or now? Were we even more religious the further you went back?
But yeah, our religious golden ages were wonderful for everyone. Everyone speaks glowingly about how people were treated in the Middle Ages by their fellow (insert religious convert).
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We are wayy better off today as a whole than we have ever been in terms of people getting a fair shake.
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Was Hitler religious? Stalin? According to your world Logic those should have been the best of times..or even atheist China today.
Were we more religious as a whole during the 1940s or now? Were we even more religious the further you went back?
But yeah, our religious golden ages were wonderful for everyone. Everyone speaks glowingly about how people were treated in the Middle Ages by their fellow (insert religious convert).
Were we more religious as a whole during the 1940s or now? Were we even more religious the further you went back?
But yeah, our religious golden ages were wonderful for everyone. Everyone speaks glowingly about how people were treated in the Middle Ages by their fellow (insert religious convert).
The real faith of Christianity is not religious it is relationship. The dark ages were a period of time when the bible was kept locked up in monasteries in a language most people did not understand, no wonder they were called the dark ages.. we have never had a glowing time in human history at any time because satan is the god of this world (for now).
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We are wayy better off today as a whole than we have ever been in terms of people getting a fair shake.
We are wayy better off today as a whole than we have ever been in terms of people getting a fair shake.
not so sure about thst. I think on the surface it seems that way because the mechsnisms of control arent nearly as overt as they used to be. But thats for another discussion. I agree that in terms of this fake spirutuality sky god nonsense we're seemingly improving....but new methods of owning us are coming forth, like the obsession with wealth and/or fame. Materialism is the new baby chheessuss
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I bet black people, women, hell just about anyone else other than white guys would say they are having a much better time now than the “good old spiritual” days.
Hell in human history we have been at our shittiest at our most religious.
Was Hitler religious? Stalin? According to your world Logic those should have been the best of times..or even atheist China today.
Was Hitler religious? Stalin? According to your world Logic those should have been the best of times..or even atheist China today.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
Want to take bets on which happens first? The release of this declassified data or Jesus' return? Both have been spoken about for a long time, yet both seem to continue to fail in meeting expectations...
The bible does not give the date for the Lord's return it just gives us signs to watch. Sure over 100 years ago you had some preaching they were living in the end times yet some major prophecy had not yet been fulfilled such as the return of the Jewish people to Israel (fulfilled in 1948). Now the last major prophecy that will come is the rebuilding of the temple. I used to think we still had a bit of time left because it would take Israel a bit of time to build an elaborate temple but then I remembered before they had that temple they had a tabernacle which was just a tent. They could put that up quickly.
That's actually how the Christians and the religious in general tend to think, funnily enough.
And I agree with you; the forced implementation of religious theocratic beliefs in the chase of some hypothetical utopia has never worked and has caused much pain and misery in the pursuit of it.
What we have seen in atheist countries such as China and other Godless communist countries is not any type of place most freedom loving Americans would want to live.
Yes, the argument does go both ways, but you can't point to the abolitionists who used their religious beliefs to decry slavery while simply glossing over the actual religious justifications for slavery in the Bible that pro-slavery Southerns used as well. It's not like they were pulling this stuff out of thin air; its clearly written in several passages in the Bible where God and Jesus not only condoned slavery, but actually commanded for it to happen.
And you also fail to take into account those secular or non-religious individuals who didn't have to search the Scriptures to know that enslaving and making chattel of their fellow human beings was morally reprehensible.
Doesn’t the Bible Support Slavery?
https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/doesnt-the-bible-support-slavery/
Doesn’t the Bible Support Slavery?
https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/doesnt-the-bible-support-slavery/
Again, you're dancing around the issue, but you're not going to get away with it.
Exodus 21:2-6 (NASB):
2If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. 3If he comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then his wife shall go out with him. 4If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone. 5But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out as a free man,’ 6then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.
- It is interesting to note that if a slave wishes to remain with his wife and family he must submit to his master for life.
(Exodus 21:7-11 NASB)
7If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do. 8If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her. 9If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. 10If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights. 11If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
Deuteronomy 15:12-18, however, applies the same standards to female and male slaves, with verse 18 stating, "Your female slave, also, you shall treat in the same way. You must not be reluctant to let your slave go free, since the service they have given you for six years was worth twice a hired man's salary; then also the Lord, your God, will bless you in everything you do."
- Apparently, God gave the OK for parents to sell their own children into slavery
This is just a few examples.
....Want me to go on, OBF? I can go all day. If you're a Christian and believe in God, as you claim to be, then you must reconcile that belief with the fact that your God not only allowed enslavement and sexual enslavement of people by his chosen people - he actively condoned it. How you could willingly worship and follow a God like that proves my point that you can get away with and rationalize the most disgusting abuses against your fellow man by trying to hide it under the cloak of religious beliefs.
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Doesn’t the Bible Support Slavery?
https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/doesnt-the-bible-support-slavery/
Again, you're dancing around the issue, but you're not going to get away with it.
Exodus 21:2-6 (NASB):
2If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. 3If he comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then his wife shall go out with him. 4If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone. 5But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out as a free man,’ 6then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.
- It is interesting to note that if a slave wishes to remain with his wife and family he must submit to his master for life.
(Exodus 21:7-11 NASB)
7If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do. 8If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her. 9If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. 10If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights. 11If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
Deuteronomy 15:12-18, however, applies the same standards to female and male slaves, with verse 18 stating, "Your female slave, also, you shall treat in the same way. You must not be reluctant to let your slave go free, since the service they have given you for six years was worth twice a hired man's salary; then also the Lord, your God, will bless you in everything you do."
- Apparently, God gave the OK for parents to sell their own children into slavery
This is just a few examples.
....Want me to go on, OBF? I can go all day. If you're a Christian and believe in God, as you claim to be, then you must reconcile that belief with the fact that your God not only allowed enslavement and sexual enslavement of people by his chosen people - he actively condoned it. How you could willingly worship and follow a God like that proves my point that you can get away with and rationalize the most disgusting abuses against your fellow man by trying to hide it under the cloak of religious beliefs.
Again, you're dancing around the issue, but you're not going to get away with it.
Exodus 21:2-6 (NASB):
2If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. 3If he comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then his wife shall go out with him. 4If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone. 5But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out as a free man,’ 6then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.
- It is interesting to note that if a slave wishes to remain with his wife and family he must submit to his master for life.
(Exodus 21:7-11 NASB)
7If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do. 8If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her. 9If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. 10If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights. 11If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
Deuteronomy 15:12-18, however, applies the same standards to female and male slaves, with verse 18 stating, "Your female slave, also, you shall treat in the same way. You must not be reluctant to let your slave go free, since the service they have given you for six years was worth twice a hired man's salary; then also the Lord, your God, will bless you in everything you do."
- Apparently, God gave the OK for parents to sell their own children into slavery
This is just a few examples.
....Want me to go on, OBF? I can go all day. If you're a Christian and believe in God, as you claim to be, then you must reconcile that belief with the fact that your God not only allowed enslavement and sexual enslavement of people by his chosen people - he actively condoned it. How you could willingly worship and follow a God like that proves my point that you can get away with and rationalize the most disgusting abuses against your fellow man by trying to hide it under the cloak of religious beliefs.
Hitler was not controlled by God..he was controlled by satan.. I know you are a big fan of Hitchens but he is giving out his opinions ..Darwin type views did seem to influence Hitler tremendously. It was at least one of the reasons he was so callous in killing off those he deemed inferior people, the other was he was full of satan.."you got to to serve somebody..it may be the devil or it may be the Lord..but you got to serve somebody"...all through the Jews (God's chosen people) history they have always faced satanic persecution, the fact they faced the worst of the worst due to Adolf Hitler tells you all you need to know about the spiritual condition of Hitler.
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You can pick apart Israel of thousands of years ago by measuring them by today's standards but the facts are they were probably the most civilized society of their time. Even the eye for an eye justice was better than what was going on in other places in the world at the time. And the article I posted does point out there were differences in slaves in the OT times as compared to the type of slavery we saw in our country.
You also can throw your lot in with Hitchens who is gone and buried (or cremated I don't know) but I'm sticking with the bible and the God who gives life. I know of a woman who was paralyzed in an accident and now is battling cancer. Life has not been fair to her like it hasn't been to many others yet she still praises and gives thanks to God..why? Because her future looks a whole lot brighter than her circumstances in this life. The cross is the answer for our hope. You can choose to live life without that hope, not me. You may change your mind someday, the door will always be open to you as long as you have breath and are living in this grace period we are living in now.
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We are wayy better off today as a whole than we have ever been in terms of people getting a fair shake.
not so sure about thst. I think on the surface it seems that way because the mechsnisms of control arent nearly as overt as they used to be. But thats for another discussion. I agree that in terms of this fake spirutuality sky god nonsense we're seemingly improving....but new methods of owning us are coming forth, like the obsession with wealth and/or fame. Materialism is the new baby chheessuss
not so sure about thst. I think on the surface it seems that way because the mechsnisms of control arent nearly as overt as they used to be. But thats for another discussion. I agree that in terms of this fake spirutuality sky god nonsense we're seemingly improving....but new methods of owning us are coming forth, like the obsession with wealth and/or fame. Materialism is the new baby chheessuss
Louis CK’s Time Machine bit is appropriate for this thread and is pretty telling about how now is considered so scary for some.
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