El Paso shooter pic here we go again
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I said "a decent place to start", as in listening to all sides and evaluating all possibilities. I didn't say Graham had all the answers.
I do know it does no good whatsoever to have everyone pointing fingers at one another and still getting nothing accomplished to find reasonable solutions from wherever they come.
You ran up "the Dems are the unreasonable bad guys hoping for more of the same" flag. That isn't at all helpful. I ran up "the Reps should be a part of the solution" flag.
Tell me what the solution is and we'll talk.
Here's my point that I have repeated often. There is no reasonable solution.
WSS
Tell me what the solution is and we'll talk.
Here's my point that I have repeated often. There is no reasonable solution.
WSS
I've made it pretty clear how much I like the 2nd amendment, but I also know what it says and the era in which it was crafted. If you want to be a Minuteman, then join that well armed (with a professional armory) militia every state has called the National Guard. They are the only ones other than the regular military services who should have access to military level weapons. If the founding fathers had envisioned the weapons of today and the ones coming in the future, they would have thought differently about who should have what or how many rounds it should carry. That's my starting place. Yours seems to be "I give up because nothing will work".
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the "calling of it for what it was" is still not established - all the evidence is not in, per the police:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/el-paso-texas-shooting-what-we-know/index.html
that's your lefties' CNN, you know. The article says this sicko murderer held these views for years before President Trump.Btw, it's still being established - but Dillards at the mall...is a GUN FREE ZONE.I'm waiting for info that the entire mall is a GUN FREE ZONE. Of course it looks like a hate crime, sure does. Not a left or right thing. The lefties up in Congress sure went sick, also, in politicizing the tragedy. Maybe there is more information. Like, was this sicko's family murdered by illegals or what?
FACT: taking guns away from all Americans who own them now, would never stop this kid from getting a black market rifle and doing the same hidious horrific crime.
the "calling of it for what it was" is still not established - all the evidence is not in, per the police:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/el-paso-texas-shooting-what-we-know/index.html
that's your lefties' CNN, you know. The article says this sicko murderer held these views for years before President Trump....
Not enough factual information out there only speculation.
This is the way far right terrorism works: it is foolish, bordering on suicidal, to attribute attacks like the El Paso shooting or the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting to “lone wolves”
the quote is typical "marching orders" from the leftist thought purveyors who shouldnt be allowed access to a keyboard...
no, the shootings like this and ALL others are done by sick lone wolves
with the exception of the radical islamic terrorists of course
Reason: El Paso Walmart Shooter Allegedly Wrote Anti-Immigrant Manifesto Calling Hispanics 'Invaders'
Like I said: right-wing, anti-immigrant terrorism.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
Tell me what the solution is and we'll talk.
Here's my point that I have repeated often. There is no reasonable solution.
WSS
I've made it pretty clear how much I like the 2nd amendment, but I also know what it says and the era in which it was crafted. If you want to be a Minuteman, then join that well armed (with a professional armory) militia every state has called the National Guard. They are the only ones other than the regular military services who should have access to military level weapons. If the founding fathers had envisioned the weapons of today and the ones coming in the future, they would have thought differently about who should have what or how many rounds it should carry. That's my starting place. Yours seems to be "I give up because nothing will work".
I've made it pretty clear how much I like the 2nd amendment, but I also know what it says and the era in which it was crafted. If you want to be a Minuteman, then join that well armed (with a professional armory) militia every state has called the National Guard. They are the only ones other than the regular military services who should have access to military level weapons. If the founding fathers had envisioned the weapons of today and the ones coming in the future, they would have thought differently about who should have what or how many rounds it should carry. That's my starting place. Yours seems to be "I give up because nothing will work".
Well good for you. That gives the impression of really caring. Another one of my sayings is everything before the but is bullshit.
Face the facts only through repeal of the Second Amendment and a strict clamp down on any kind of firearms owned by the public will have an effect. If you're not man enough to do that there really is nothing you can do and you may as well give up. It's like quitting smoking, you just have to quit. Cutting down by three or four cigarettes a day does nothing.
WSS
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the "calling of it for what it was" is still not established - all the evidence is not in, per the police:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/el-paso-texas-shooting-what-we-know/index.html
that's your lefties' CNN, you know. The article says this sicko murderer held these views for years before President Trump....
Not enough factual information out there only speculation.
This is the way far right terrorism works: it is foolish, bordering on suicidal, to attribute attacks like the El Paso shooting or the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting to “lone wolves”
the quote is typical "marching orders" from the leftist thought purveyors who shouldnt be allowed access to a keyboard...
no, the shootings like this and ALL others are done by sick lone wolves
with the exception of the radical islamic terrorists of course
Reason: El Paso Walmart Shooter Allegedly Wrote Anti-Immigrant Manifesto Calling Hispanics 'Invaders'
Like I said: right-wing, anti-immigrant terrorism.
Reason: El Paso Walmart Shooter Allegedly Wrote Anti-Immigrant Manifesto Calling Hispanics 'Invaders'
Like I said: right-wing, anti-immigrant terrorism.
Allegedly.........
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These weird aspergery fucks get online and get their heads filled up by sociopath turds then set loose on the world.
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the "calling of it for what it was" is still not established - all the evidence is not in, per the police:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/el-paso-texas-shooting-what-we-know/index.html
that's your lefties' CNN, you know. The article says this sicko murderer held these views for years before President Trump....
Not enough factual information out there only speculation.
This is the way far right terrorism works: it is foolish, bordering on suicidal, to attribute attacks like the El Paso shooting or the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting to “lone wolves”
the quote is typical "marching orders" from the leftist thought purveyors who shouldnt be allowed access to a keyboard...
no, the shootings like this and ALL others are done by sick lone wolves
with the exception of the radical islamic terrorists of course
Reason: El Paso Walmart Shooter Allegedly Wrote Anti-Immigrant Manifesto Calling Hispanics 'Invaders'
Like I said: right-wing, anti-immigrant terrorism.
Reason: El Paso Walmart Shooter Allegedly Wrote Anti-Immigrant Manifesto Calling Hispanics 'Invaders'
Like I said: right-wing, anti-immigrant terrorism.
i take exception to it being "right wing"
the link source did better in that it didnt mention "right wing"
but keep the hate rhetoric going - itll get us nowhere...
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I've made it pretty clear how much I like the 2nd amendment, but I also know what it says and the era in which it was crafted. If you want to be a Minuteman, then join that well armed (with a professional armory) militia every state has called the National Guard. They are the only ones other than the regular military services who should have access to military level weapons. If the founding fathers had envisioned the weapons of today and the ones coming in the future, they would have thought differently about who should have what or how many rounds it should carry. That's my starting place. Yours seems to be "I give up because nothing will work".
Well good for you. That gives the impression of really caring. Another one of my sayings is everything before the but is bullshit.
Face the facts only through repeal of the Second Amendment and a strict clamp down on any kind of firearms owned by the public will have an effect. If you're not man enough to do that there really is nothing you can do and you may as well give up. It's like quitting smoking, you just have to quit. Cutting down by three or four cigarettes a day does nothing.
WSS
Well good for you. That gives the impression of really caring. Another one of my sayings is everything before the but is bullshit.
Face the facts only through repeal of the Second Amendment and a strict clamp down on any kind of firearms owned by the public will have an effect. If you're not man enough to do that there really is nothing you can do and you may as well give up. It's like quitting smoking, you just have to quit. Cutting down by three or four cigarettes a day does nothing.
WSS
So you are joining the Australia & New Zealand solutions? Well that's worth taking a look at then isn't it.
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Well good for you. That gives the impression of really caring. Another one of my sayings is everything before the but is bullshit.
Face the facts only through repeal of the Second Amendment and a strict clamp down on any kind of firearms owned by the public will have an effect. If you're not man enough to do that there really is nothing you can do and you may as well give up. It's like quitting smoking, you just have to quit. Cutting down by three or four cigarettes a day does nothing.
WSS
So you are joining the Australia & New Zealand solutions? Well that's worth taking a look at then isn't it.
So you are joining the Australia & New Zealand solutions? Well that's worth taking a look at then isn't it.
All I'm asking you to do is be realistic. If not it's only political posturing. Now you should look at how many people died in mass shootings every year and compare that to other deaths. If you think it's worth repealing the Second Amendment to cut down on the 20 or 30 or even 40 or 50 deaths a year...
WSS
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Tell me what the solution is and we'll talk.
Here's my point that I have repeated often. There is no reasonable solution.
WSS
I've made it pretty clear how much I like the 2nd amendment, but I also know what it says and the era in which it was crafted. If you want to be a Minuteman, then join that well armed (with a professional armory) militia every state has called the National Guard. They are the only ones other than the regular military services who should have access to military level weapons. If the founding fathers had envisioned the weapons of today and the ones coming in the future, they would have thought differently about who should have what or how many rounds it should carry. That's my starting place. Yours seems to be "I give up because nothing will work".
I've made it pretty clear how much I like the 2nd amendment, but I also know what it says and the era in which it was crafted. If you want to be a Minuteman, then join that well armed (with a professional armory) militia every state has called the National Guard. They are the only ones other than the regular military services who should have access to military level weapons. If the founding fathers had envisioned the weapons of today and the ones coming in the future, they would have thought differently about who should have what or how many rounds it should carry. That's my starting place. Yours seems to be "I give up because nothing will work".
aha. the old LIBERAL recourse. nobody is talking "Minuteman",
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Reason: El Paso Walmart Shooter Allegedly Wrote Anti-Immigrant Manifesto Calling Hispanics 'Invaders'
Like I said: right-wing, anti-immigrant terrorism.
i take exception to it being "right wing"
the link source did better in that it didnt mention "right wing"
but keep the hate rhetoric going - itll get us nowhere...
i take exception to it being "right wing"
the link source did better in that it didnt mention "right wing"
but keep the hate rhetoric going - itll get us nowhere...
So when nutjobs in Antifa attack people, it's called left-wing/leftie/libtard violence by people on here, but now that it's right-wingers in El Paso pulling the trigger, I'm keeping the "hate rhetoric going". Give me a break. I'm calling it for what it is: extremist, anti-immigrant right-wing violence, fueled by rhetoric coming from the right-wing community.
And frankly, I don't really give two fucks if you take exception to it being called that or not.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
i take exception to it being "right wing"
the link source did better in that it didnt mention "right wing"
but keep the hate rhetoric going - itll get us nowhere...
So when nutjobs in Antifa attack people, it's called left-wing/leftie/libtard violence by people on here, but now that it's right-wingers in El Paso pulling the trigger, I'm keeping the "hate rhetoric going". Give me a break. I'm calling it for what it is: extremist, anti-immigrant right-wing violence, fueled by rhetoric coming from the right-wing community.
And frankly, I don't really give two fucks if you take exception to it being called that or not.
So when nutjobs in Antifa attack people, it's called left-wing/leftie/libtard violence by people on here, but now that it's right-wingers in El Paso pulling the trigger, I'm keeping the "hate rhetoric going". Give me a break. I'm calling it for what it is: extremist, anti-immigrant right-wing violence, fueled by rhetoric coming from the right-wing community.
And frankly, I don't really give two fucks if you take exception to it being called that or not.
You already knew this is how they'd react. You asked the question at the beginning of the thread but you knew the answer
- Any Muslim that does something like this is part of Islamic extremist terrorism
- this guy is just a crazy person. Not a trend or part of a group
- he's not a terrorist. No way.
- he isn't right wing at all. He only wanted fame. Definitely his only motive
Smh. Just head in the sand shit. No problem jumping on all of this stuff when it fits their narrative but heaven forbid when the shooter looks like them or can be linked to their political beliefs.
And yes Steve, 8chan matters here because it's a breeding ground for right wing extremism. That's a fact.
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At least some prominent conservatives have the decency to call a spade a spade on this issue:
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Beto O'Rourke links 'racist' Trump to El Paso shootings
AOL.COM 1 hr agoDemocratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke on Saturday blamed Donald Trump in part for the deadly El Paso shootings that killed 20 people because he said the president’s “racism” leads “to violence.”
O’Rourke attacked the president when he was asked by an ABC News reporter if Trump had any responsibility for the shootings.
“Yes,” O’Rourke flatly responded.
“We’ve had a rise in hate crimes every single one of the last three years, during an administration where you have a president who’s called Mexicans rapists and criminals,” said the former Texas congressman and El Paso native.
“He is a racist, and he stokes racism in this country,” O’Rourke added.” It does not just offend our sensibilities; it fundamentally changes the character of this country and it leads to violence
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How has banning drugs worked out?
What? You mean there are still drugs on the streets? And people still die from overdosing? And an entire underground industry exists that creates violent crimes pushes illegal drugs out into the streets?
But surely banning guns won’t have the same effect.
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How has banning drugs worked out?
What? You mean there are still drugs on the streets? And people still die from overdosing? And an entire underground industry exists that creates violent crimes pushes illegal drugs out into the streets?
But surely banning guns won’t have the same effect.
How has banning drugs worked out?
What? You mean there are still drugs on the streets? And people still die from overdosing? And an entire underground industry exists that creates violent crimes pushes illegal drugs out into the streets?
But surely banning guns won’t have the same effect.
1) Then legalize drugs. Why have any laws then?
2) Drugs hurt the user
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Violence against others because of their nationality or race is one of the most despicable type? Seriously? I would say every act of violence against any human being for any fucking reason is equally despicable. If I had to drag them I would think that shooting children in school or beating raping and killing a woman would be more Despicable.
But of course no saying person thinks this kind of action is cool. The discussion has nothing to do with sanity.
WSS
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How has banning drugs worked out?
What? You mean there are still drugs on the streets? And people still die from overdosing? And an entire underground industry exists that creates violent crimes pushes illegal drugs out into the streets?
But surely banning guns won’t have the same effect.
1) Then legalize drugs. Why have any laws then?
2) Drugs hurt the user
1) Then legalize drugs. Why have any laws then?
it seems they are slowly eliminating those laws doesn't it?
2) Drugs hurt the user
so drug addicts don't cause problems for society? Good to know.
Are you willing to go the direction of Australia and England? If not, why not?
WSS
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Beto O'Rourke links 'racist' Trump to El Paso shootings
AOL.COM 1 hr agoDemocratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke on Saturday blamed Donald Trump in part for the deadly El Paso shootings that killed 20 people because he said the president’s “racism” leads “to violence.”
O’Rourke attacked the president when he was asked by an ABC News reporter if Trump had any responsibility for the shootings.
“Yes,” O’Rourke flatly responded.
“We’ve had a rise in hate crimes every single one of the last three years, during an administration where you have a president who’s called Mexicans rapists and criminals,” said the former Texas congressman and El Paso native.
“He is a racist, and he stokes racism in this country,” O’Rourke added.” It does not just offend our sensibilities; it fundamentally changes the character of this country and it leads to violence
Beto O'Rourke links 'racist' Trump to El Paso shootings
AOL.COM 1 hr agoDemocratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke on Saturday blamed Donald Trump in part for the deadly El Paso shootings that killed 20 people because he said the president’s “racism” leads “to violence.”
O’Rourke attacked the president when he was asked by an ABC News reporter if Trump had any responsibility for the shootings.
“Yes,” O’Rourke flatly responded.
“We’ve had a rise in hate crimes every single one of the last three years, during an administration where you have a president who’s called Mexicans rapists and criminals,” said the former Texas congressman and El Paso native.
“He is a racist, and he stokes racism in this country,” O’Rourke added.” It does not just offend our sensibilities; it fundamentally changes the character of this country and it leads to violence
CNN has been blaming Trump also.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Beto O'Rourke links 'racist' Trump to El Paso shootings
AOL.COM 1 hr agoDemocratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke on Saturday blamed Donald Trump in part for the deadly El Paso shootings that killed 20 people because he said the president’s “racism” leads “to violence.”
O’Rourke attacked the president when he was asked by an ABC News reporter if Trump had any responsibility for the shootings.
“Yes,” O’Rourke flatly responded.
“We’ve had a rise in hate crimes every single one of the last three years, during an administration where you have a president who’s called Mexicans rapists and criminals,” said the former Texas congressman and El Paso native.
“He is a racist, and he stokes racism in this country,” O’Rourke added.” It does not just offend our sensibilities; it fundamentally changes the character of this country and it leads to violence
Beto O'Rourke links 'racist' Trump to El Paso shootings
AOL.COM 1 hr agoDemocratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke on Saturday blamed Donald Trump in part for the deadly El Paso shootings that killed 20 people because he said the president’s “racism” leads “to violence.”
O’Rourke attacked the president when he was asked by an ABC News reporter if Trump had any responsibility for the shootings.
“Yes,” O’Rourke flatly responded.
“We’ve had a rise in hate crimes every single one of the last three years, during an administration where you have a president who’s called Mexicans rapists and criminals,” said the former Texas congressman and El Paso native.
“He is a racist, and he stokes racism in this country,” O’Rourke added.” It does not just offend our sensibilities; it fundamentally changes the character of this country and it leads to violence
and Obama gets blamed by most of this board for any negative incident done by a minority, a Muslim, or a left wing person
that being said, Trump has repeatedly called immigrants from the south coming to this country an "invasion" and this guys manifesto used the same terminology.
There are plenty of issues at play here and Trump obviously isn't responsible, but he sure as hell isn't helping
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So you are joining the Australia & New Zealand solutions? Well that's worth taking a look at then isn't it.
All I'm asking you to do is be realistic. If not it's only political posturing. Now you should look at how many people died in mass shootings every year and compare that to other deaths. If you think it's worth repealing the Second Amendment to cut down on the 20 or 30 or even 40 or 50 deaths a year...
WSS
All I'm asking you to do is be realistic. If not it's only political posturing. Now you should look at how many people died in mass shootings every year and compare that to other deaths. If you think it's worth repealing the Second Amendment to cut down on the 20 or 30 or even 40 or 50 deaths a year...
WSS
I'm not talking repealing it at all. I'm talking defining it properly and that is where the discussion should be. It's already been done to some extent with the outlawing of automatic weapons. Some states also have magazine limits as well in their gun laws. But it's not universal across the U.S. like it should be. See below for my thoughts on military level weapons.
aha. the old LIBERAL recourse. nobody is talking "Minuteman",
You know I meant that figuratively cal, not literally. My point was if you want to use military weapons, that's where you can do so legally. Nobody else "needs" to have military style weapons, even if limited to semi-auto. Persons like us with CCWs/LTCs are severely limited in range/accuracy compared to those kinds of weapons. If I'm stuck in a mall shooting like that I at least want a semi-fair chance at stopping it.
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