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EX-Browns OL coach Bob Wylie rips Freddie Kitchens, saying QB coach Ken Zampese did all the coaching

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  • Just a disgruntled unemployed dude, who hasn't done his future self any favors by running his mouth long after the fact. 

  • anything to get the media to stir things up. This is why players and coaches should never listen to the media. The media loves to have that he said she said about everybody and their brother. 

  • anything to get the media to stir things up. This is why players and coaches should never listen to the media. The media loves to have that he said she said about everybody and their brother. 

    @medicineman said:

    anything to get the media to stir things up. This is why players and coaches should never listen to the media. The media loves to have that he said she said about everybody and their brother. 

    This forum is a form of the media FYI. 

  • @medicineman said:

    anything to get the media to stir things up. This is why players and coaches should never listen to the media. The media loves to have that he said she said about everybody and their brother. 

    This forum is a form of the media FYI. 

    @the-gipper said:

    This forum is a form of the media FYI. 

    on what planet? there is no way what we say ever going to end up on espn or  fox or anything, we are not a mainstream media platform 

  • @the-gipper said:

    This forum is a form of the media FYI. 

    on what planet? there is no way what we say ever going to end up on espn or  fox or anything, we are not a mainstream media platform 

    @medicineman said:

    on what planet? there is no way what we say ever going to end up on espn or  fox or anything, we are not a mainstream media platform 

    CNN Breaking News, a report from medicineman on The Browns Board indicates new planet found.

  • @the-gipper said:

    This forum is a form of the media FYI. 

    on what planet? there is no way what we say ever going to end up on espn or  fox or anything, we are not a mainstream media platform 

    @medicineman said:

    on what planet? there is no way what we say ever going to end up on espn or  fox or anything, we are not a mainstream media platform 

    Who said main stream media. It may not be mainstreamed but it is the media. you get to express your opinions here just as all these other people get to express their pinons on those channels

  • @medicineman said:

    on what planet? there is no way what we say ever going to end up on espn or  fox or anything, we are not a mainstream media platform 

    Who said main stream media. It may not be mainstreamed but it is the media. you get to express your opinions here just as all these other people get to express their pinons on those channels

    @the-gipper said:

    Who said main stream media. It may not be mainstreamed but it is the media. you get to express your opinions here just as all these other people get to express their pinons on those channels

    oh. got ya. my mistake

  • You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research. 

  • You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research. 

    @medicineman said:

    You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research. 

    You’re talking now. Television is nothing but an electronic device used to distort reality. Electric LSD?  That distorts reality too. So all these msm viewers are just tripping their ass off. Too bad they vote. 

  • A lot of good points in the last few posts. I must admit l thought at least a smidgeon of the reason Kitchens was tabbed was Dorsey’s past experience at KC, where he had a good gig but got pushed out by a coach who had experience and sway on his side. 

    And to Medicineman’s point about the media, it kinda is their job to generate interest and dissenting opinions does just that. I’ve read a sports reporter admit as such that when the team he covers’ season goes sideways it makes their job easier when internal discord happens because it gives him something juicy to write about. Us as fans DO want to know why the season went awry and who we can blame so we can identify and discuss a solution.

    And to Gipper’s point that the board here is a form of media, l agree. It has potential to influence how we view a situation and we can take those points to the water cooler for discussion ammo, and with luck and timing, those points could fall into the legit media’s lap and spread even further.

  • @vambo said:

    1. “Baker (Mayfield) likes Freddie,’’ Wylie said on The Zach Gelb Show on CBS Sports Radio. “There’s a good relationship there even though (former Browns QB coach) Kenny Zampese did all the coaching there. Baker likes Freddie, so that had to (factor) into the decision.’’
    2. “My own personal feeling is Gregg was too strong a candidate for the seat,’’ Wylie said on The Zach Gelb Show on CBS Sports Radio. “I don’t think Dorsey wanted to go head-to-head with Williams like he had to do with Andy Reid in Kansas City, so he kind of filtered Gregg out of the picture.’’
    1. The thought of Baker picking his HC's is a worry of mine. I flash to how well that worked for LeBron as a Cav...
    2. Dorsey passing over Williams for the more "pliable" Kitchens was the subtext I saw at Kit's surprise hiring.

    @tour2ma said:

    1. The thought of Baker picking his HC's is a worry of mine. I flash to how well that worked for LeBron as a Cav...
    2. Dorsey passing over Williams for the more "pliable" Kitchens was the subtext I saw at Kit's surprise hiring.

    Wylie's disgruntled fired employee comments aside, my number 1 "concern" heading into the season is how Freddie leads the ship. I actually do have a lot faith, but there's SEVERAL examples of guys getting the HC gig to appease the QB and it not working at all. His rope is going to the shortest by far as well if things don't go the way we hope they do.

  • You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research. 

    @medicineman said:

    You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research. 

    Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else

  • https://dawgpounddaily.com/2019/08/04/cleveland-browns-gregg-williams-john-dorsey/

    From there Wylie got into what was probably the underlying reason for his harsh assessments. The veteran coach expressed frustration that Kitchens didn’t retain the majority of the staff when he took over. He claimed they helped Kitchens get his interview but then turned them all into “collateral damage.”

    Being fair, it probably was frustrating for Wylie and many of the other coaches who were not retained by Kitchens. However, it also made plenty of sense.

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         Oh, stick a cork in it, Wylie - Kitchens has every right to his own staff. Don't let the door hit you in the belly on yer way out.

  • @medicineman said:

    You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research. 

    Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else

    @the-gipper said:

    Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else

    I'm really curious who medicineman thinks is reputable news outlets. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else

    I'm really curious who medicineman thinks is reputable news outlets. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    ......... reputable news outlets  

    In Webster's Dictionary they use the above as an example of the word 'Oxymoron'.  

  • @medicineman said:

    You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research. 

    Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else

    @the-gipper said:

    Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else

    How many times was CNN busted in major lies? That entire "Hands up don't shoot" started riots, The time they said they were in desert storm and ducking from bombs? Made in a studio, I can name so many lies they did and I don't have to use 1 from 30 years ago as they do bullshit daily 

  • @medicineman said:

    You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research. 

    You’re talking now. Television is nothing but an electronic device used to distort reality. Electric LSD?  That distorts reality too. So all these msm viewers are just tripping their ass off. Too bad they vote. 

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    You’re talking now. Television is nothing but an electronic device used to distort reality. Electric LSD?  That distorts reality too. So all these msm viewers are just tripping their ass off. Too bad they vote. 

    Yep, They are called "Programs" for a reason. They program the mind 

  • @the-gipper said:

    Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else

    How many times was CNN busted in major lies? That entire "Hands up don't shoot" started riots, The time they said they were in desert storm and ducking from bombs? Made in a studio, I can name so many lies they did and I don't have to use 1 from 30 years ago as they do bullshit daily 

    @medicineman said:

    How many times was CNN busted in major lies? That entire "Hands up don't shoot" started riots, The time they said they were in desert storm and ducking from bombs? Made in a studio, I can name so many lies they did and I don't have to use 1 from 30 years ago as they do bullshit daily 

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  • @medicineman said:

    You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research. 

    Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else

    @the-gipper said:

    Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else

    You guys talk like everything you know comes from television. AP, Reuter’s, BBC, ABC, plus numerous other PRINT media outlets have way less spin to them. Plus, checking in with all, you get a truer picture.  But hey, Jane Fonda and Ted Turner are the most trusted couple in the world..... lol

  • @the-gipper said:

    Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else

    You guys talk like everything you know comes from television. AP, Reuter’s, BBC, ABC, plus numerous other PRINT media outlets have way less spin to them. Plus, checking in with all, you get a truer picture.  But hey, Jane Fonda and Ted Turner are the most trusted couple in the world..... lol

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    You guys talk like everything you know comes from television. AP, Reuter’s, BBC, ABC, plus numerous other PRINT media outlets have way less spin to them. Plus, checking in with all, you get a truer picture.  But hey, Jane Fonda and Ted Turner are the most trusted couple in the world..... lol

    Especially TCM.?

    EDIT: For the arguments on news sources, take it to the poly board where it belongs please everyone.