EX-Browns OL coach Bob Wylie rips Freddie Kitchens, saying QB coach Ken Zampese did all the coaching
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This forum is a form of the media FYI.
on what planet? there is no way what we say ever going to end up on espn or fox or anything, we are not a mainstream media platform
on what planet? there is no way what we say ever going to end up on espn or fox or anything, we are not a mainstream media platform
Who said main stream media. It may not be mainstreamed but it is the media. you get to express your opinions here just as all these other people get to express their pinons on those channels
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on what planet? there is no way what we say ever going to end up on espn or fox or anything, we are not a mainstream media platform
Who said main stream media. It may not be mainstreamed but it is the media. you get to express your opinions here just as all these other people get to express their pinons on those channels
Who said main stream media. It may not be mainstreamed but it is the media. you get to express your opinions here just as all these other people get to express their pinons on those channels
oh. got ya. my mistake
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You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research.
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You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research.
You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research.
You’re talking now. Television is nothing but an electronic device used to distort reality. Electric LSD? That distorts reality too. So all these msm viewers are just tripping their ass off. Too bad they vote.
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A lot of good points in the last few posts. I must admit l thought at least a smidgeon of the reason Kitchens was tabbed was Dorsey’s past experience at KC, where he had a good gig but got pushed out by a coach who had experience and sway on his side.
And to Medicineman’s point about the media, it kinda is their job to generate interest and dissenting opinions does just that. I’ve read a sports reporter admit as such that when the team he covers’ season goes sideways it makes their job easier when internal discord happens because it gives him something juicy to write about. Us as fans DO want to know why the season went awry and who we can blame so we can identify and discuss a solution.
And to Gipper’s point that the board here is a form of media, l agree. It has potential to influence how we view a situation and we can take those points to the water cooler for discussion ammo, and with luck and timing, those points could fall into the legit media’s lap and spread even further.
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- “Baker (Mayfield) likes Freddie,’’ Wylie said on The Zach Gelb Show on CBS Sports Radio. “There’s a good relationship there even though (former Browns QB coach) Kenny Zampese did all the coaching there. Baker likes Freddie, so that had to (factor) into the decision.’’
- “My own personal feeling is Gregg was too strong a candidate for the seat,’’ Wylie said on The Zach Gelb Show on CBS Sports Radio. “I don’t think Dorsey wanted to go head-to-head with Williams like he had to do with Andy Reid in Kansas City, so he kind of filtered Gregg out of the picture.’’
- The thought of Baker picking his HC's is a worry of mine. I flash to how well that worked for LeBron as a Cav...
- Dorsey passing over Williams for the more "pliable" Kitchens was the subtext I saw at Kit's surprise hiring.
- The thought of Baker picking his HC's is a worry of mine. I flash to how well that worked for LeBron as a Cav...
- Dorsey passing over Williams for the more "pliable" Kitchens was the subtext I saw at Kit's surprise hiring.
Wylie's disgruntled fired employee comments aside, my number 1 "concern" heading into the season is how Freddie leads the ship. I actually do have a lot faith, but there's SEVERAL examples of guys getting the HC gig to appease the QB and it not working at all. His rope is going to the shortest by far as well if things don't go the way we hope they do.
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You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research.
You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research.
Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else
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https://dawgpounddaily.com/2019/08/04/cleveland-browns-gregg-williams-john-dorsey/
From there Wylie got into what was probably the underlying reason for his harsh assessments. The veteran coach expressed frustration that Kitchens didn’t retain the majority of the staff when he took over. He claimed they helped Kitchens get his interview but then turned them all into “collateral damage.”
Being fair, it probably was frustrating for Wylie and many of the other coaches who were not retained by Kitchens. However, it also made plenty of sense.
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Oh, stick a cork in it, Wylie - Kitchens has every right to his own staff. Don't let the door hit you in the belly on yer way out.
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You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research.
Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else
Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else
I'm really curious who medicineman thinks is reputable news outlets.
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Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else
I'm really curious who medicineman thinks is reputable news outlets.
......... reputable news outlets
In Webster's Dictionary they use the above as an example of the word 'Oxymoron'.
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You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research.
Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else
Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else
How many times was CNN busted in major lies? That entire "Hands up don't shoot" started riots, The time they said they were in desert storm and ducking from bombs? Made in a studio, I can name so many lies they did and I don't have to use 1 from 30 years ago as they do bullshit daily
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You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research.
You’re talking now. Television is nothing but an electronic device used to distort reality. Electric LSD? That distorts reality too. So all these msm viewers are just tripping their ass off. Too bad they vote.
You’re talking now. Television is nothing but an electronic device used to distort reality. Electric LSD? That distorts reality too. So all these msm viewers are just tripping their ass off. Too bad they vote.
Yep, They are called "Programs" for a reason. They program the mind
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Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else
How many times was CNN busted in major lies? That entire "Hands up don't shoot" started riots, The time they said they were in desert storm and ducking from bombs? Made in a studio, I can name so many lies they did and I don't have to use 1 from 30 years ago as they do bullshit daily
How many times was CNN busted in major lies? That entire "Hands up don't shoot" started riots, The time they said they were in desert storm and ducking from bombs? Made in a studio, I can name so many lies they did and I don't have to use 1 from 30 years ago as they do bullshit daily
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You watch CNN? Man you have problems bigger than anything on this site, I refuse to watch any msm news outlets, Just like the Shooting that happened in Texas, reports say a Lone gunman killed 16 people wounded 30 others with a single magazine that holds 30 bullets.....Every time I give the msm a chance they fail, I check in with them from time to time and then I do my own research.
Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else
Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else
You guys talk like everything you know comes from television. AP, Reuter’s, BBC, ABC, plus numerous other PRINT media outlets have way less spin to them. Plus, checking in with all, you get a truer picture. But hey, Jane Fonda and Ted Turner are the most trusted couple in the world..... lol
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Will you will get far more disinformation or wrong information from non-mainstream media and then you would on mainstream media. Just think about all the shit that said here that is so pure speculation about things so msm is Is still more reliable than anything else
You guys talk like everything you know comes from television. AP, Reuter’s, BBC, ABC, plus numerous other PRINT media outlets have way less spin to them. Plus, checking in with all, you get a truer picture. But hey, Jane Fonda and Ted Turner are the most trusted couple in the world..... lol
You guys talk like everything you know comes from television. AP, Reuter’s, BBC, ABC, plus numerous other PRINT media outlets have way less spin to them. Plus, checking in with all, you get a truer picture. But hey, Jane Fonda and Ted Turner are the most trusted couple in the world..... lol
Especially TCM.?
EDIT: For the arguments on news sources, take it to the poly board where it belongs please everyone.
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You guys talk like everything you know comes from television. AP, Reuter’s, BBC, ABC, plus numerous other PRINT media outlets have way less spin to them. Plus, checking in with all, you get a truer picture. But hey, Jane Fonda and Ted Turner are the most trusted couple in the world..... lol
Especially TCM.?
EDIT: For the arguments on news sources, take it to the poly board where it belongs please everyone.
Especially TCM.?
EDIT: For the arguments on news sources, take it to the poly board where it belongs please everyone.
You see it in sports media too. Look at how the coast teams are covered compared to the rest of the country. If the Yankees or Giants stink, they’re still heavily covered.
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Back to the topic at hand, Bob Wiley's comments. Here's what Freddie says to close that door.
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I love Kitchens as head coach. What a top of the line class act guy. and funny, too.
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A nice guy for sure but a dinosaur the Browns needed to move out the building
A nice guy for sure but a dinosaur the Browns needed to move out the building
Now with more of the story coming out...Wylie was fired while laying in a hospital bed, his daughter told him she heard he was fired on the news, so he is definitely bitter and I don't put much stock from criticisms from bitter people. And he really was beyond old school. He seemed more interested in yucking it up than anything else - you know, the fat, jolly guy who likes his own jokes more than any one else does. I don't condone the way they let him go, but I can't put too much weight in his takes.
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You only need to see that as of today he is unemployed and not working for any other team. That tells you a lot about how much you can trust his words or his football IQ.
You only need to see that as of today he is unemployed and not working for any other team. That tells you a lot about how much you can trust his words or his football IQ.
But he sure could spin whimsical tales and hilarious one-liners....that dude thought he was the real cat's meow. I didn't find him that funny.
On Undisputed this AM they were asking if Freddie's open honesty was hurting the team. I thought him being a straight shooter was his main brand coming in?
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