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Dayton, Ohio, shooting that left 9 dead, 27 hurt halted 'in under a minute' by cops who shot suspect: mayor

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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @calfoxwc said:

    Hey, Hoorta, would you like me to post another...thousand of incidents ?

    "Earth to Hoorta" LOL

    If it makes you feel safer, God Bless ya Cal. Had you been in that line at Ned Peppers, and taken a few pot shots at the guy wearing body armor, you'd have been the first person  he targeted. RIP

    A gun isn't  going  to  protect you  100% of the time if Jesse James shoots first. I'll  leave it at that. 

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    @hoorta said:

    If it makes you feel safer, God Bless ya Cal. Had you been in that line at Ned Peppers, and taken a few pot shots at the guy wearing body armor, you'd have been the first person  he targeted. RIP

    A gun isn't  going  to  protect you  100% of the time if Jesse James shoots first. I'll  leave it at that. 

    Hence the training. It's a matter of training - I know the armor helps...but it also has weaknesses.

    My CCW instructor would disagree with you. over 4 years special forces.

    Advanced training is good. There would be alternatives to simply firing in self defense at body armor.

    http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/2012/01/american-mercenary-defeating-body-armor.html

    https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/seven-things-you-dont-know-about-body-armor

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      DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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      No offense, but having a CCW hardly makes you a special forces operator.  A one day firearms safety course will not prepare you for this type situation.

      "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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        No offense, but having a CCW hardly makes you a special forces operator.  A one day firearms safety course will not prepare you for this type situation.

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        @diehardbrownsfan said:

        No offense, but having a CCW hardly makes you a special forces operator.  A one day firearms safety course will not prepare you for this type situation.

        somebody must have an AA meeting today .   +1 in anycase. ☕

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          No offense, but having a CCW hardly makes you a special forces operator.  A one day firearms safety course will not prepare you for this type situation.

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          @diehardbrownsfan said:

          No offense, but having a CCW hardly makes you a special forces operator.  A one day firearms safety course will not prepare you for this type situation.

          Never implied anything of the sort. But I appreciate learning from an expert. Never going to be an expert, obviously.

          Just want to know more than the CCW class. My hay bales smooshed, but I can get a few of the round large bales to set up at my

          practice range. Need to practice more. I don't intend on ever having to be in a situation where I have to defend myself and others. But haven't forgotten the attempted mugging in Vegas that night. And there were a few home invasions in our area last year.

          It's a good thing the murders in Texas and Ohio weren't committed by an illegal, or the left would ignore them and not pretend to want to solve the problem.

          About training - sure, you can't account for whatever dangerous situation you might ever face. But learning the fundamentals is key...and practice.

          Situational avoidance is paramount....

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            DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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            I envy you being able to shoot on your property.  It's illegal in Cuyahoga county.

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              I envy you being able to shoot on your property.  It's illegal in Cuyahoga county.

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              @diehardbrownsfan said:

              I envy you being able to shoot on your property.  It's illegal in Cuyahoga county.

              so is that gloryhole u got downstairs,  but when has that ever stopped you?    ☕

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                  DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                  @calfoxwc said:

                  er? I know you can't shoot your firearm in the city usually, but in your home should be fine and...

                  if you have a farm you can't shoot your guns??? That is bogus. I set up my training backdrop out back, along the edge of the woods.

                  We just went shooting the other day - best friends' daughter came out with her friend from NC - I taught her to shoot a few years ago, and her friend never shot a pistol. So, I gave her my infamous safety speech, responsibility etc, and had her shooting fairly well. My Walther doesn't kick hardly much at all - I can rapid fire two shots and stay on target pretty much. She was anticipating recoil that she expected from having shot her fiance's 12 gauge shotgun. LOL She handled it well, had to straighten her arm, change stance, etc...and she really got it. 

                  No shooting, period outdoors in Cuyahoga county.   I think the only 'farm' might be in North Royalton.  They do allow bow hunting deer in some cities with a special permit from the Police in certain areas.

                  "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                    so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

                    Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

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                      so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

                      Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

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                      @mld-woody said:

                      so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

                      Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

                      oh geez, complete  cartographical opposite ends of the state....well done don. 

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                        so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

                        Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

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                        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                        @mld-woody said:

                        so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

                        Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

                        Joe Biden expressed sympathy for the shooting victims in Houston and Michigan...

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                          so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

                          Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

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                          Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                          @mld-woody said:

                          so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

                          Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

                          At least he got the state right...that’s more than we can say for dickhead Biden.

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                            @mld-woody said:

                            so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

                            Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

                            At least he got the state right...that’s more than we can say for dickhead Biden.

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                            @canton-dawg said:

                            At least he got the state right...that’s more than we can say for dickhead Biden.

                            u do know what houston is in right? ill agree normally a .500 avg would ge tits up but in this case it seems like such an easy pitch........vexing, so terribly vexing.☕

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

                              Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

                              Joe Biden expressed sympathy for the shooting victims in Houston and Michigan...

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                              @oldbrownsfan said:

                              Joe Biden expressed sympathy for the shooting victims in Houston and Michigan...

                              If that's true then he's a moron too

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                                @oldbrownsfan said:

                                Joe Biden expressed sympathy for the shooting victims in Houston and Michigan...

                                If that's true then he's a moron too

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                                @mld-woody said:

                                If that's true then he's a moron too

                                He’s a moron.

                                https://nypost.com/2019/08/05/biden-completely-flubs-where-mass-shootings-occurred/

                                https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/confusion-biden-offers-sympathy-for-the-tragic-events-in-houston-today-and-also-in-michigan

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                                  hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                                  @calfoxwc said:

                                  that's sad. good old democrat run cuyahoga county. I could go shoot and practice all day long and be legal. A couple years ago, an ex-neighbor came over on our farm, walked around the barn, and raised hell with me for shooting within a hundred yards of his yard.

                                   1)  I told him I was perfectly legal, and I could shoot within a foot of his yard, I told him he needed to learn to mind his down damn business and stay on his own land. He threatened to call the Sheriff, and I grinned and told him I hope he does...

                                  so, after I sighted in my .22 magnum rifle, I was back at home and I called the sheriff's office, and they said I was absolutely correct.

                                  We were not in the city, we were in the township and I can shoot within an inch of his yard, on the edge of our property, onto our property, all day long. So, the next day I was target practicing close to the barn where he could see me, with my CCW pistol.

                                   2)   They moved about six months later. Good riddance.

                                  1) Nice confrontational style Cal, I've notice that in some of your other interactions with folks. No wonder you feel the need to have concealed carry. Yup, you were within in your "rights". It's happened more than once being said at a funeral- he was within his rights- too bad he's DEAD RIGHT. 

                                  2) They probably moved because from their POV- "Man, we have to get away from that gun crazy asshole living next door." 😁  

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                                    @calfoxwc said:

                                    that's sad. good old democrat run cuyahoga county. I could go shoot and practice all day long and be legal. A couple years ago, an ex-neighbor came over on our farm, walked around the barn, and raised hell with me for shooting within a hundred yards of his yard.

                                     1)  I told him I was perfectly legal, and I could shoot within a foot of his yard, I told him he needed to learn to mind his down damn business and stay on his own land. He threatened to call the Sheriff, and I grinned and told him I hope he does...

                                    so, after I sighted in my .22 magnum rifle, I was back at home and I called the sheriff's office, and they said I was absolutely correct.

                                    We were not in the city, we were in the township and I can shoot within an inch of his yard, on the edge of our property, onto our property, all day long. So, the next day I was target practicing close to the barn where he could see me, with my CCW pistol.

                                     2)   They moved about six months later. Good riddance.

                                    1) Nice confrontational style Cal, I've notice that in some of your other interactions with folks. No wonder you feel the need to have concealed carry. Yup, you were within in your "rights". It's happened more than once being said at a funeral- he was within his rights- too bad he's DEAD RIGHT. 

                                    2) They probably moved because from their POV- "Man, we have to get away from that gun crazy asshole living next door." 😁  

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                                    @hoorta said:

                                    1) Nice confrontational style Cal, I've notice that in some of your other interactions with folks. No wonder you feel the need to have concealed carry. Yup, you were within in your "rights". It's happened more than once being said at a funeral- he was within his rights- too bad he's DEAD RIGHT. 

                                    2) They probably moved because from their POV- "Man, we have to get away from that gun crazy asshole living next door." 😁  

                                    hardy har. The guy was trouble with other neighbors, too. Went ballistic with the other neighbor because their kids' toy blew into his yard. I was fine with him for a good while, until he was hitting golf balls out into my field one day. I wasn't very happy when I walked up and politely explained to him that golf balls don't degrade, and can damage combine and other equipment.

                                      Later, in the fall, one day I go out to the barn, and his son and a friend are hitting golf balls out into our field. Yep, THEN I did the confrontational style.

                                    Another time, we got back late from somewhere, and I went to put the tractor away. By the time I started it, drove it into the barn, he stomped out there in his jammies and said he was going to call the police. I smirked at him and told him it was going to rain and we got back late.

                                       There was more to the story, so thanks for making me tell it. lol

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