***Browns @ Colts Preseason Game Night Thread***
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Too many penalties but some of that goes to the refs with questionble calls.
Did you watch the Cowpokes game? were over 25 penalties and then 1 came on a challenge PI call that was not called til they threw the red flag then blah blah blah, I hate how flags can decide the outcome of a game. That's what make people believe Vegas is involved,
Did you watch the Cowpokes game? were over 25 penalties and then 1 came on a challenge PI call that was not called til they threw the red flag then blah blah blah, I hate how flags can decide the outcome of a game. That's what make people believe Vegas is involved,
I understand why many of the newer penalty rules are in place for players safety but now there are so many penalties it takes away from the game. This game was a good example. After every play you waited to see if there was a flag thrown. A big problem I see is that so many of the newer penalty rules are subjective. Holding has always been that type of penalty as being subjective many times. Now we have added a number of newer penalty rules that also are subjective.
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Doesn't matter what wasn't called on them. What matters is what we did. He had all 5+ feet of body to work with from feet to shoulders for only a touch. Just plain stupid.
Bottom line I agree with Bernie Kosar that was a call that never should’ve been made
Bottom line I agree with Bernie Kosar that was a call that never should’ve been made
That's because you both see it through homer eyes and are not objectively viewing what is going on. The other thing is that you can't hear what the ref of the field can hear, the sound of the "touch" to the helmet. If he'd made the same slap on the butt it would not make all that much noise that the same exact slap on a plastic helmet makes. If you are the ref right there with the two of them, you can hear it when it's enough force to knock a head forward and down. You and Bernie are wrong. Homers.??
Go back and review the touch and keep in mind what gumby said, more than one whistle had already been blown and no touch whatsoever was required. The reason I know Freddie will use this with the whole team present is that he keeps stressing playing smart. You could already see his disgust with the running into the kicker mistake that we were lucky was not a drive extending 15 yarder. He'll use that one too as another example of not playing smart.
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Did you watch the Cowpokes game? were over 25 penalties and then 1 came on a challenge PI call that was not called til they threw the red flag then blah blah blah, I hate how flags can decide the outcome of a game. That's what make people believe Vegas is involved,
I understand why many of the newer penalty rules are in place for players safety but now there are so many penalties it takes away from the game. This game was a good example. After every play you waited to see if there was a flag thrown. A big problem I see is that so many of the newer penalty rules are subjective. Holding has always been that type of penalty as being subjective many times. Now we have added a number of newer penalty rules that also are subjective.
I understand why many of the newer penalty rules are in place for players safety but now there are so many penalties it takes away from the game. This game was a good example. After every play you waited to see if there was a flag thrown. A big problem I see is that so many of the newer penalty rules are subjective. Holding has always been that type of penalty as being subjective many times. Now we have added a number of newer penalty rules that also are subjective.
Statistically flags are always thrown at a much higher rate in preseason. Refs use it as a review period just as much as players do honestly. Flags always go down a good margin come week one.
the challenge for PI is shaping up to be very interesting though.
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Just for grins I reviewed the late hit on the downed QB multiple times/angles and found that he did not just hit him with his hand, but came down on the back of his head and on over with his chest while the QB was in an almost sitting position with his back to the defense. Clearly a penalty that was justified by the ref who was standing right over the QB blowing his whistle. A blind man could make that call.
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Just for grins I reviewed the late hit on the downed QB multiple times/angles and found that he did not just hit him with his hand, but came down on the back of his head and on over with his chest while the QB was in an almost sitting position with his back to the defense. Clearly a penalty that was justified by the ref who was standing right over the QB blowing his whistle. A blind man could make that call.
Just for grins I reviewed the late hit on the downed QB multiple times/angles and found that he did not just hit him with his hand, but came down on the back of his head and on over with his chest while the QB was in an almost sitting position with his back to the defense. Clearly a penalty that was justified by the ref who was standing right over the QB blowing his whistle. A blind man could make that call.
At the game it looked like a bogus call though.
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Just for grins I reviewed the late hit on the downed QB multiple times/angles and found that he did not just hit him with his hand, but came down on the back of his head and on over with his chest while the QB was in an almost sitting position with his back to the defense. Clearly a penalty that was justified by the ref who was standing right over the QB blowing his whistle. A blind man could make that call.
At the game it looked like a bogus call though.
At the game it looked like a bogus call though.
Told you Freddie would not be pleased "We were not smart". He's blaming us not the refs. ?
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At the game it looked like a bogus call though.
Told you Freddie would not be pleased "We were not smart". He's blaming us not the refs. ?
Told you Freddie would not be pleased "We were not smart". He's blaming us not the refs. ?
The other call I didn't like was when we creamed the Colts punt returner. His fault for not calling a fair catch. Guess you're supposed to tackle nice now.
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so, is there one new rule, that if you duck your head to put your shoulder into the guy you're tackling, deliberately not hitting
with your head...
that is a flag? So, if you don't duck your head, and your helmet grazes the other guy's helmet, that's a flag.
But duck your head to avoid that and...
nope. not making sense.
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Decent who’s hot and who’s not type of article after last game. Looks like they got it right. Wyatt Ray seemed to show some nifty moves. My recording on NFL Network seems to mostly be a Panthers game, so l only got to see part of the second half.
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Bottom line I agree with Bernie Kosar that was a call that never should’ve been made
That's because you both see it through homer eyes and are not objectively viewing what is going on. The other thing is that you can't hear what the ref of the field can hear, the sound of the "touch" to the helmet. If he'd made the same slap on the butt it would not make all that much noise that the same exact slap on a plastic helmet makes. If you are the ref right there with the two of them, you can hear it when it's enough force to knock a head forward and down. You and Bernie are wrong. Homers.??
Go back and review the touch and keep in mind what gumby said, more than one whistle had already been blown and no touch whatsoever was required. The reason I know Freddie will use this with the whole team present is that he keeps stressing playing smart. You could already see his disgust with the running into the kicker mistake that we were lucky was not a drive extending 15 yarder. He'll use that one too as another example of not playing smart.
That's because you both see it through homer eyes and are not objectively viewing what is going on.
While I am not nor ever have played organized football...I am seeing it through football players eyes...meaning that I realize that a bit of contact is going to happen...if you want them to play flag football, say so.
The other thing is that you can't hear what the ref of the field can hear, the sound of the "touch" to the helmet. If he'd made the same slap on the butt it would not make all that much noise that the same exact slap on a plastic helmet makes. If you are the ref right there with the two of them, you can hear it when it's enough force to knock a head forward and down. You and Bernie are wrong. Homers.??
No, we are right....that call I wager would NOT be made during the regular season...pussy.
Go back and review the touch and keep in mind what gumby said, more than one whistle had already been blown and no touch whatsoever was required.
Oh...so, you agree...it was a mere "touch".
The reason I know Freddie will use this with the whole team present is that he keeps stressing playing smart. You could already see his disgust with the running into the kicker mistake that we were lucky was not a drive extending 15 yarder. He'll use that one too as another example of not playing smart.
Oh, I am not saying that the Browns did not make a lot of dumb plays...but I bet that in his office he would say to that player: I can't tell you wha you did wrong with that "tap".
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Told you Freddie would not be pleased "We were not smart". He's blaming us not the refs. ?
The other call I didn't like was when we creamed the Colts punt returner. His fault for not calling a fair catch. Guess you're supposed to tackle nice now.
The other call I didn't like was when we creamed the Colts punt returner. His fault for not calling a fair catch. Guess you're supposed to tackle nice now.
Absolutely.....the gunner hit him in the chest with basically his helmet off to the side...it was NOT a "spear". It was just the ref overreacting to a very hard hit.
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Gilbert is awful. he wont even get a score
Gilbert is awful. he wont even get a score
I dont see that at all......In fact, I think he is a slam dunk #2 and am curious why the Browns are just handing Stanton the job....
If it was me, I might cut Stanton and keep Gilbert and Blough. Stanton has established he wont get any better, but the 2 young guys already are better and both have potential for growth.....
Baker 1 - Gilbert 2 - Blough 3..............Stanton gone......
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Gilbert looked good to me.
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That's because you both see it through homer eyes and are not objectively viewing what is going on.
While I am not nor ever have played organized football...I am seeing it through football players eyes...meaning that I realize that a bit of contact is going to happen...if you want them to play flag football, say so.
The other thing is that you can't hear what the ref of the field can hear, the sound of the "touch" to the helmet. If he'd made the same slap on the butt it would not make all that much noise that the same exact slap on a plastic helmet makes. If you are the ref right there with the two of them, you can hear it when it's enough force to knock a head forward and down. You and Bernie are wrong. Homers.??
No, we are right....that call I wager would NOT be made during the regular season...pussy.
Go back and review the touch and keep in mind what gumby said, more than one whistle had already been blown and no touch whatsoever was required.
Oh...so, you agree...it was a mere "touch".
The reason I know Freddie will use this with the whole team present is that he keeps stressing playing smart. You could already see his disgust with the running into the kicker mistake that we were lucky was not a drive extending 15 yarder. He'll use that one too as another example of not playing smart.
Oh, I am not saying that the Browns did not make a lot of dumb plays...but I bet that in his office he would say to that player: I can't tell you wha you did wrong with that "tap".
Oh...so, you agree...it was a mere "touch".
Pay attention grasshopper.?
Just for grins I reviewed the late hit on the downed QB multiple times/angles and found that he did not just hit him with his hand, but came down on the back of his head and on over with his chest while the QB was in an almost sitting position with his back to the defense. Clearly a penalty that was justified by the ref who was standing right over the QB blowing his whistle. A blind man could make that call.
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Oh...so, you agree...it was a mere "touch".
Pay attention grasshopper.?
Just for grins I reviewed the late hit on the downed QB multiple times/angles and found that he did not just hit him with his hand, but came down on the back of his head and on over with his chest while the QB was in an almost sitting position with his back to the defense. Clearly a penalty that was justified by the ref who was standing right over the QB blowing his whistle. A blind man could make that call.
Pay attention grasshopper.?
Just to touch clearly not a penalty in normal times
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Baker,Gilbert,Stanton...Bloug to PS
Stanton is a waste at this point. It's pretty obvious that Gilbert is a better QB.
QB Gilbert, RB Johnson, WR Higgins, WR Strong, WR Montgomery, LB Thomas, CB/S Murray, CB Gaines really helped themselves.
I was really disappointed in wilson but he has superstar potential. That probably more on my expectations being too high. Pharaoh Brown looked lost. Corbett isn't a Center. Hunt looked rusty. #66 Wright needs to be cut he will end up getting someone hurt. Redwine and Whitehead looked bad, we really need to find a 3rd safety. The kickers were awful
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Baker,Gilbert,Stanton...Bloug to PS
Stanton is a waste at this point. It's pretty obvious that Gilbert is a better QB.
QB Gilbert, RB Johnson, WR Higgins, WR Strong, WR Montgomery, LB Thomas, CB/S Murray, CB Gaines really helped themselves.
I was really disappointed in wilson but he has superstar potential. That probably more on my expectations being too high. Pharaoh Brown looked lost. Corbett isn't a Center. Hunt looked rusty. #66 Wright needs to be cut he will end up getting someone hurt. Redwine and Whitehead looked bad, we really need to find a 3rd safety. The kickers were awful
Stanton is a waste at this point. It's pretty obvious that Gilbert is a better QB.
QB Gilbert, RB Johnson, WR Higgins, WR Strong, WR Montgomery, LB Thomas, CB/S Murray, CB Gaines really helped themselves.
I was really disappointed in wilson but he has superstar potential. That probably more on my expectations being too high. Pharaoh Brown looked lost. Corbett isn't a Center. Hunt looked rusty. #66 Wright needs to be cut he will end up getting someone hurt. Redwine and Whitehead looked bad, we really need to find a 3rd safety. The kickers were awful
Stanton only played a series or two. I'm betting he'll get plenty of PT the second half Thursday. Too soon to cut him MHO.
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Stanton is a waste at this point. It's pretty obvious that Gilbert is a better QB.
QB Gilbert, RB Johnson, WR Higgins, WR Strong, WR Montgomery, LB Thomas, CB/S Murray, CB Gaines really helped themselves.
I was really disappointed in wilson but he has superstar potential. That probably more on my expectations being too high. Pharaoh Brown looked lost. Corbett isn't a Center. Hunt looked rusty. #66 Wright needs to be cut he will end up getting someone hurt. Redwine and Whitehead looked bad, we really need to find a 3rd safety. The kickers were awful
Stanton only played a series or two. I'm betting he'll get plenty of PT the second half Thursday. Too soon to cut him MHO.
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Pay attention grasshopper.?
Just to touch clearly not a penalty in normal times
Just to touch clearly not a penalty in normal times
No-read the quote of myself below where I said "Pay attention". Here it is again right below this. It was more than just a touch.
Just for grins I reviewed the late hit on the downed QB multiple times/angles and found that he did not just hit him with his hand, but came down on the back of his head and on over with his chest while the QB was in an almost sitting position with his back to the defense. Clearly a penalty that was justified by the ref who was standing right over the QB blowing his whistle. A blind man could make that call.
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