***Browns @ Colts Preseason Game Night Thread***
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Stanton is a waste at this point. It's pretty obvious that Gilbert is a better QB.
QB Gilbert, RB Johnson, WR Higgins, WR Strong, WR Montgomery, LB Thomas, CB/S Murray, CB Gaines really helped themselves.
I was really disappointed in wilson but he has superstar potential. That probably more on my expectations being too high. Pharaoh Brown looked lost. Corbett isn't a Center. Hunt looked rusty. #66 Wright needs to be cut he will end up getting someone hurt. Redwine and Whitehead looked bad, we really need to find a 3rd safety. The kickers were awful
Stanton only played a series or two. I'm betting he'll get plenty of PT the second half Thursday. Too soon to cut him MHO.
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Pay attention grasshopper.?
Just to touch clearly not a penalty in normal times
Just to touch clearly not a penalty in normal times
No-read the quote of myself below where I said "Pay attention". Here it is again right below this. It was more than just a touch.
Just for grins I reviewed the late hit on the downed QB multiple times/angles and found that he did not just hit him with his hand, but came down on the back of his head and on over with his chest while the QB was in an almost sitting position with his back to the defense. Clearly a penalty that was justified by the ref who was standing right over the QB blowing his whistle. A blind man could make that call.
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Just to touch clearly not a penalty in normal times
No-read the quote of myself below where I said "Pay attention". Here it is again right below this. It was more than just a touch.
Just for grins I reviewed the late hit on the downed QB multiple times/angles and found that he did not just hit him with his hand, but came down on the back of his head and on over with his chest while the QB was in an almost sitting position with his back to the defense. Clearly a penalty that was justified by the ref who was standing right over the QB blowing his whistle. A blind man could make that call.
No-read the quote of myself below where I said "Pay attention". Here it is again right below this. It was more than just a touch.
I Slo-moed it. you don’t have to interpret it for me. it was a tap
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No-read the quote of myself below where I said "Pay attention". Here it is again right below this. It was more than just a touch.
I Slo-moed it. you don’t have to interpret it for me. it was a tap
I Slo-moed it. you don’t have to interpret it for me. it was a tap
A tap with his chest. Yeah, that sounds about right.
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I Slo-moed it. you don’t have to interpret it for me. it was a tap
A tap with his chest. Yeah, that sounds about right.
A tap with his chest. Yeah, that sounds about right.
He touched his head with his hand.
I will go back to what a certain home boy from around here said about how QBs are being treated: "Put skirt on them, if you are going to calls plays like that a penalty." (that was Jack Lambert...Mantua Crestwood/Kent State product)
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I'll be waiting with baited breath when you start a thread complaining about baker getting hit.
I'll be waiting with baited breath when you start a thread complaining about baker getting hit.
It is spelled "bated breath"....unless you are fishing for air. And the key word in your sentence is "hit". not touched, not tapped, hit.
1: to reduce the force or intensity of : RESTRAINwaited with bated breath2: to take away : DEDUCTThat grave and orderly senior was not going to bate a jot of his dignity …— George Eliot3archaic : to lower especially in amount or estimationAnd I shall have to bate my price …— A. E. Housman4archaic : BLUNTAnd now I have bated your curiosity …— J. F. Cooper -
A tap with his chest. Yeah, that sounds about right.
He touched his head with his hand.
I will go back to what a certain home boy from around here said about how QBs are being treated: "Put skirt on them, if you are going to calls plays like that a penalty." (that was Jack Lambert...Mantua Crestwood/Kent State product)
He touched his head with his hand.
I will go back to what a certain home boy from around here said about how QBs are being treated: "Put skirt on them, if you are going to calls plays like that a penalty." (that was Jack Lambert...Mantua Crestwood/Kent State product)
You are wrong. It started with the hand but as he came over the top he hits him with his chest as well. But no fear. As the QB got up he exclaimed..........................
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He touched his head with his hand.
I will go back to what a certain home boy from around here said about how QBs are being treated: "Put skirt on them, if you are going to calls plays like that a penalty." (that was Jack Lambert...Mantua Crestwood/Kent State product)
You are wrong. It started with the hand but as he came over the top he hits him with his chest as well. But no fear. As the QB got up he exclaimed..........................
You are wrong. It started with the hand but as he came over the top he hits him with his chest as well. But no fear. As the QB got up he exclaimed..........................
Prove it....show the video. I must have missed something if you say the defender fell on him with his chest.
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You are wrong. It started with the hand but as he came over the top he hits him with his chest as well. But no fear. As the QB got up he exclaimed..........................
Prove it....show the video. I must have missed something if you say the defender fell on him with his chest.
Prove it....show the video. I must have missed something if you say the defender fell on him with his chest.
I did not say he fell on him. I said his chest contacted the QB's helmet with his chest as he came over the top.
And you go find the video. You have been claiming it was not a foul, not me. That was your argument against my original post that it was a stupid thing to do, so find it and post it and then try to claim there was no contact chest to helmet as he comes over the top of the sitting QB. It's around the 14:00 min. time of the 4th. I no longer have it recorded.
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Prove it....show the video. I must have missed something if you say the defender fell on him with his chest.
I did not say he fell on him. I said his chest contacted the QB's helmet with his chest as he came over the top.
And you go find the video. You have been claiming it was not a foul, not me. That was your argument against my original post that it was a stupid thing to do, so find it and post it and then try to claim there was no contact chest to helmet as he comes over the top of the sitting QB. It's around the 14:00 min. time of the 4th. I no longer have it recorded.
I did not say he fell on him. I said his chest contacted the QB's helmet with his chest as he came over the top.
And you go find the video. You have been claiming it was not a foul, not me. That was your argument against my original post that it was a stupid thing to do, so find it and post it and then try to claim there was no contact chest to helmet as he comes over the top of the sitting QB. It's around the 14:00 min. time of the 4th. I no longer have it recorded.
I saw it. My testimony is all the proof required. Whatever he touched him with...it was just that a touch that barely grazed him.
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I love the level of commitment from the both of you.
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A tap with his chest. Yeah, that sounds about right.
He touched his head with his hand.
I will go back to what a certain home boy from around here said about how QBs are being treated: "Put skirt on them, if you are going to calls plays like that a penalty." (that was Jack Lambert...Mantua Crestwood/Kent State product)
He touched his head with his hand.
I will go back to what a certain home boy from around here said about how QBs are being treated: "Put skirt on them, if you are going to calls plays like that a penalty." (that was Jack Lambert...Mantua Crestwood/Kent State product)
I did not say he fell on him. I said his chest contacted the QB's helmet with his chest as he came over the top.
And you go find the video. You have been claiming it was not a foul, not me. That was your argument against my original post that it was a stupid thing to do, so find it and post it and then try to claim there was no contact chest to helmet as he comes over the top of the sitting QB. It's around the 14:00 min. time of the 4th. I no longer have it recorded.
I saw it. My testimony is all the proof required. Whatever he touched him with...it was just that a touch that barely grazed him.
I'll have to arbitrate this one, and at least on this Board, the Moderator's Decision is final....I pulled up that play and watched it in real time and slo-mo several times. Sorry Gipper- Ag is right. It was more than "barely grazed him". I believe the rule is any contact with a QBs head even if incidental- is a penalty. Would it have been hard for our guy to pull up? Probably. But as Ag said, he did roll over him with his chest even though it was hardly a 60s level body slam their QB would have gotten back then. But this is now, and they may as well treat QBs with Flag Football rules. You can't hit them high, or low anymore.
Would that penalty have been called in a regular season game? Maybe, maybe not. You can bet the ranch if it was Tom Brady who had gotten rolled over, the flag would have been thrown.
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He touched his head with his hand.
I will go back to what a certain home boy from around here said about how QBs are being treated: "Put skirt on them, if you are going to calls plays like that a penalty." (that was Jack Lambert...Mantua Crestwood/Kent State product)
I did not say he fell on him. I said his chest contacted the QB's helmet with his chest as he came over the top.
And you go find the video. You have been claiming it was not a foul, not me. That was your argument against my original post that it was a stupid thing to do, so find it and post it and then try to claim there was no contact chest to helmet as he comes over the top of the sitting QB. It's around the 14:00 min. time of the 4th. I no longer have it recorded.
I saw it. My testimony is all the proof required. Whatever he touched him with...it was just that a touch that barely grazed him.
I'll have to arbitrate this one, and at least on this Board, the Moderator's Decision is final....I pulled up that play and watched it in real time and slo-mo several times. Sorry Gipper- Ag is right. It was more than "barely grazed him". I believe the rule is any contact with a QBs head even if incidental- is a penalty. Would it have been hard for our guy to pull up? Probably. But as Ag said, he did roll over him with his chest even though it was hardly a 60s level body slam their QB would have gotten back then. But this is now, and they may as well treat QBs with Flag Football rules. You can't hit them high, or low anymore.
Would that penalty have been called in a regular season game? Maybe, maybe not. You can bet the ranch if it was Tom Brady who had gotten rolled over, the flag would have been thrown.
I'll have to arbitrate this one, and at least on this Board, the Moderator's Decision is final....I pulled up that play and watched it in real time and slo-mo several times. Sorry Gipper- Ag is right. It was more than "barely grazed him". I believe the rule is any contact with a QBs head even if incidental- is a penalty. Would it have been hard for our guy to pull up? Probably. But as Ag said, he did roll over him with his chest even though it was hardly a 60s level body slam their QB would have gotten back then. But this is now, and they may as well treat QBs with Flag Football rules. You can't hit them high, or low anymore.
Would that penalty have been called in a regular season game? Maybe, maybe not. You can bet the ranch if it was Tom Brady who had gotten rolled over, the flag would have been thrown.
Need to see the video
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I'll have to arbitrate this one, and at least on this Board, the Moderator's Decision is final....I pulled up that play and watched it in real time and slo-mo several times. Sorry Gipper- Ag is right. It was more than "barely grazed him". I believe the rule is any contact with a QBs head even if incidental- is a penalty. Would it have been hard for our guy to pull up? Probably. But as Ag said, he did roll over him with his chest even though it was hardly a 60s level body slam their QB would have gotten back then. But this is now, and they may as well treat QBs with Flag Football rules. You can't hit them high, or low anymore.
Would that penalty have been called in a regular season game? Maybe, maybe not. You can bet the ranch if it was Tom Brady who had gotten rolled over, the flag would have been thrown.
Need to see the video
Need to see the video
I already saw it about ten times, but go ahead, don't believe me....
Here's your chance Gipper Browns- Colts game replay 1PM Tuesday NFLN. If you don't have it, that's your problem.
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Need to see the video
I already saw it about ten times, but go ahead, don't believe me....
Here's your chance Gipper Browns- Colts game replay 1PM Tuesday NFLN. If you don't have it, that's your problem.
I already saw it about ten times, but go ahead, don't believe me....
Here's your chance Gipper Browns- Colts game replay 1PM Tuesday NFLN. If you don't have it, that's your problem.
My cable company doesn’t carry the NFL network not sure why
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let's end this..
the play is at :17 seconds...the 1st words that came out of refs mouth on gamepass was " after the runner was blown as down"... personal foul..gamepass has play from behind QB..Wyatt Rays hands come first, but the follow through brings the left chest plate to back of qb's head..
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let's end this..
the play is at :17 seconds...the 1st words that came out of refs mouth on gamepass was " after the runner was blown as down"... personal foul..gamepass has play from behind QB..Wyatt Rays hands come first, but the follow through brings the left chest plate to back of qb's head..
let's end this..
the play is at :17 seconds...the 1st words that came out of refs mouth on gamepass was " after the runner was blown as down"... personal foul..gamepass has play from behind QB..Wyatt Rays hands comes first, but the follow though brings the left chest pad to back of qb's head..
Like I said, a tap and a graze. He tapped his head and he grazed his shoulder. Nothing egregious. Nothing that says "football".
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He touched his head with his hand.
I will go back to what a certain home boy from around here said about how QBs are being treated: "Put skirt on them, if you are going to calls plays like that a penalty." (that was Jack Lambert...Mantua Crestwood/Kent State product)
I did not say he fell on him. I said his chest contacted the QB's helmet with his chest as he came over the top.
And you go find the video. You have been claiming it was not a foul, not me. That was your argument against my original post that it was a stupid thing to do, so find it and post it and then try to claim there was no contact chest to helmet as he comes over the top of the sitting QB. It's around the 14:00 min. time of the 4th. I no longer have it recorded.
I saw it. My testimony is all the proof required. Whatever he touched him with...it was just that a touch that barely grazed him.
I'll have to arbitrate this one, and at least on this Board, the Moderator's Decision is final....I pulled up that play and watched it in real time and slo-mo several times. Sorry Gipper- Ag is right. It was more than "barely grazed him". I believe the rule is any contact with a QBs head even if incidental- is a penalty. Would it have been hard for our guy to pull up? Probably. But as Ag said, he did roll over him with his chest even though it was hardly a 60s level body slam their QB would have gotten back then. But this is now, and they may as well treat QBs with Flag Football rules. You can't hit them high, or low anymore.
Would that penalty have been called in a regular season game? Maybe, maybe not. You can bet the ranch if it was Tom Brady who had gotten rolled over, the flag would have been thrown.
I'll have to arbitrate this one, and at least on this Board, the Moderator's Decision is final....I pulled up that play and watched it in real time and slo-mo several times. Sorry Gipper- Ag is right. It was more than "barely grazed him". I believe the rule is any contact with a QBs head even if incidental- is a penalty. Would it have been hard for our guy to pull up? Probably. But as Ag said, he did roll over him with his chest even though it was hardly a 60s level body slam their QB would have gotten back then. But this is now, and they may as well treat QBs with Flag Football rules. You can't hit them high, or low anymore.
Would that penalty have been called in a regular season game? Maybe, maybe not. You can bet the ranch if it was Tom Brady who had gotten rolled over, the flag would have been thrown.
The penalty and rule sucks, but I don’t want anyone touching Bakers head or legs, so......
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let's end this..
the play is at :17 seconds...the 1st words that came out of refs mouth on gamepass was " after the runner was blown as down"... personal foul..gamepass has play from behind QB..Wyatt Rays hands comes first, but the follow though brings the left chest pad to back of qb's head..
Like I said, a tap and a graze. He tapped his head and he grazed his shoulder. Nothing egregious. Nothing that says "football".
Like I said, a tap and a graze. He tapped his head and he grazed his shoulder. Nothing egregious. Nothing that says "football".
1. It's the only angle i can find for free..(it's not the right* angle to see back of head get hit though.from gamepass, straight behind Kelly it's easy to see more than a tap to head)..2.Kelly grabs the back of helmet at :21 seconds in this video, before grabbing face mask and at same time 2nd flag was launched. 3. How many times do we see a ref (save a QB) from contact not even being touched down? They blew the play dead as a runner down(no touch needed at that point and that's just rare)..4.Am not even sure? By the time Ray heard the 1st whistle his momentum could have stopped him? 5. Davis knew the rookie cost us 15 yards
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