Andrew Luck
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Players leaving well before they have to isn’t some unprecedented thing, but I have no doubt this type of thing will happen more and more.
hell, JT albeit a bit older could have easily come back for several more years but chose against it. It won’t shock me at all to see guys play through their 2nd contract and call it quits around 30.
Players leaving well before they have to isn’t some unprecedented thing, but I have no doubt this type of thing will happen more and more.
hell, JT albeit a bit older could have easily come back for several more years but chose against it. It won’t shock me at all to see guys play through their 2nd contract and call it quits around 30.
You don't need to be a super star to be set for life anymore- if you're careful with your money. Just being a hanger on nets you a pension after a few years. And the top minimum after 9 years is $900k. Know my niece's cousin was able to do that playing special teams and retired a few years ago.
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You do realize that is exactly what the Browns did, right?
I didn’t. Honestly. I thought the coaching was terrible enough and the players weren’t developed enough to actually win games.
I didn’t. Honestly. I thought the coaching was terrible enough and the players weren’t developed enough to actually win games.
That was a strip down to the studs to acquire draft capital and rebuild. They were intentionally trying to not win games. The players weren't the front office was.
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This sucks. It doesn't matter if you are a Colts fan or not, having elite players retiring way earlier than expected doesn't do any good to the NFL.
Luck was a quaterback who made up for the shitty rosters the Colts had for many years. Not only that, he also was the nicest guy and a Independence War veteran. Plus he has an Architecture degree
Thee Colts and the league will surely miss him. I wish him the best in his future endeavours.
Exactly!
The FO there almost deserves this for the number of years they refused to protect the guy upfront. That all took a cumulative toll on his body. And you know what? He never complained about it or lost composure in the pocket or while eluding pressure on the improvise out of the pocket. In fact, sometimes you could hear him on audio/video telling someone that just clobbered him "GREAT HIT."
As much as we're Cleveland Browns fans, a lot of us are fans of the game that really appreciate a guy like this. JJ Watt had a very respectful and understanding perspective on it today on ESPN when they aired comments from players and coaches around the league. And then they showed fans in the crowd as he walked off the field the last time PROUD to show him they're taking off their #12 jersey in disgust.
Not for nothing, but social media really sucks sometimes especially when they leak something like this when he had a presser planned for a more appropriate time to air it.
Exactly!
The FO there almost deserves this for the number of years they refused to protect the guy upfront. That all took a cumulative toll on his body. And you know what? He never complained about it or lost composure in the pocket or while eluding pressure on the improvise out of the pocket. In fact, sometimes you could hear him on audio/video telling someone that just clobbered him "GREAT HIT."
As much as we're Cleveland Browns fans, a lot of us are fans of the game that really appreciate a guy like this. JJ Watt had a very respectful and understanding perspective on it today on ESPN when they aired comments from players and coaches around the league. And then they showed fans in the crowd as he walked off the field the last time PROUD to show him they're taking off their #12 jersey in disgust.
Not for nothing, but social media really sucks sometimes especially when they leak something like this when he had a presser planned for a more appropriate time to air it.
Given that I believe that our OL is now our #1 weakness on the Browns....let's hope our QB doesn't suffer a similar fated.
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The Colts fan base is full of weird folks..With a owner that should not run a Wendy's..
Thanks to most Colts fans, And I will be just fine... 
The Colts fan base is full of weird folks..With a owner that should not run a Wendy's..
Thanks to most Colts fans, And I will be just fine...
Indy never should have had a team. The Colts should still be in Baltimore.....that was all on the Irsay family.
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Players leaving well before they have to isn’t some unprecedented thing, but I have no doubt this type of thing will happen more and more.
hell, JT albeit a bit older could have easily come back for several more years but chose against it. It won’t shock me at all to see guys play through their 2nd contract and call it quits around 30.
According to the NFLPA, the average career is 3.3 years.
Looks like he’ll be a full time caveman for geico now... lol
According to the NFLPA, the average career is 3.3 years.
Looks like he’ll be a full time caveman for geico now... lol
BINGO, we have a winner!
The NFL is truly a brutal business that's why they are going overboard to try to protect the quarterbacks and wide receivers. For every player who makes 10, 15 or even 20 years there are many who get hurt in training camp or year 1 or 2 in the game.
Good luck Luck in your new career behind a microphone or maybe just fishing.
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Good for Luck, sure it was a easy decision given his injuries and the NFL's pressure to just Play. Any person who can truly understand the toll the NFL takes on your body, mentally and physically. And has the guts to decide that getting out now is probably the best for him and his health in the long term deserves respect.Sucks to see him go but like I said, your health and sanity out weighs your misery down the road.
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Players leaving well before they have to isn’t some unprecedented thing, but I have no doubt this type of thing will happen more and more.
hell, JT albeit a bit older could have easily come back for several more years but chose against it. It won’t shock me at all to see guys play through their 2nd contract and call it quits around 30.
You don't need to be a super star to be set for life anymore- if you're careful with your money. Just being a hanger on nets you a pension after a few years. And the top minimum after 9 years is $900k. Know my niece's cousin was able to do that playing special teams and retired a few years ago.
You don't need to be a super star to be set for life anymore- if you're careful with your money. Just being a hanger on nets you a pension after a few years. And the top minimum after 9 years is $900k. Know my niece's cousin was able to do that playing special teams and retired a few years ago.
True. If you have a brain cell left in your head and are wise with your money it's like hitting the lottery if you can make a team at any position. And signing bonuses vary but can make some players an instant millionaire. From one of my favorite sources spotrac:
Each year the NFL minimum salaries increase by $15,000, up to $495,000 for a rookie in 2019. A player’s minimum salary is determined by his years of experience (YOE), ranging from 0 to 10 or more. The chart below shows the minimum (P5) salaries a team can contract a player to based on Years of Experience (credited seasons).
Yrs. 2017 2018 2019 2020 0 $465,000 $480,000 $495,000 $510,000 1 $540,000 $555,000 $570,000 $585,000 2 $615,000 $630,000 $645,000 $660,000 3 $690,000 $705,000 $720,000 $735,000 4-6 $775,000 $790,000 $805,000 $820,000 7-9 $900,000 $915,000 $930,000 $945,000 10+ $1,000,000 $1,015,000 $1,030,000 $1,045,000 VETERAN MINIMUM BENEFITS
When qualified, a player with four (4) or more years of NFL experience can earn his total minimum salary, but have a cap figure that reflects two years of experience – or in 2019, $645,000. The contract must be for only one year, and must not contain combined bonus money (signing, roster, workout) that exceeds $90,000.
FRANCHISE & TRANSITION TAGS
Franchise Tags
Quarterback $24.865M
Running back $11.214M
Wide receiver $16.787M
Tight end $10.387M
Offensive linemen $14.067M
Defensive end $17.128M
Defensive tackle $15.209M
Linebacker $15.443M
Cornerback $16.022M
Safety $11.15M
Kicker/Punter $4.971M -
I don't think that the Colts will be tanking. I think they will turn to Brissette and see if he can be the QB of the future.
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I don't think that the Colts will be tanking. I think they will turn to Brissette and see if he can be the QB of the future.
I don't think that the Colts will be tanking. I think they will turn to Brissette and see if he can be the QB of the future.
I wouldn't bet either way. Irsay is a snake in the grass & who knows what may happen there.
Mike
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I don't think that the Colts will be tanking. I think they will turn to Brissette and see if he can be the QB of the future.
I don't think that the Colts will be tanking. I think they will turn to Brissette and see if he can be the QB of the future.
He has played pretty well. I don't think that he will be in like the Top 20 QBs in this league, but he can be a starter and play decently. How far they go depends a lot of the quality of the rest of the team.
The Colts HAVE done a lot to put quality players around Luck...now they are going to have to rely on the supporting cast to pull the show together and not the star.
All that being said...Fuck them. Let them lose. Their tank job to get Luck was a despicable display of poor sportsmanship and in a sense was the best example of what can be wrong with the NFL these days.....letting teams tank. Fuck them. Lose. I remember when they had their division sown up, and they were playing someone who the Browns were fighting with for a playoff spot. This was 2007. They tanked that game, denying the Browns a chance to make the playoffs. Refused to play Peyton...instead played like Curtis Painter at QB. It was the worst example of a lack of integrity in the game that I have seen. So, nothing that team suffers breaks my heart....albeit that I did like Luck and thought he could be special. It wasn't against him, but that organization.
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I just found this whole thing shocking, when I first saw this last night I thought it was a joke or a mistake. Luck was a good dude, it will be interesting to see if his body gets healed up if the football itch returns and decides to unretire.
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I don't think that the Colts will be tanking. I think they will turn to Brissette and see if he can be the QB of the future.
He has played pretty well. I don't think that he will be in like the Top 20 QBs in this league, but he can be a starter and play decently. How far they go depends a lot of the quality of the rest of the team.
The Colts HAVE done a lot to put quality players around Luck...now they are going to have to rely on the supporting cast to pull the show together and not the star.
All that being said...Fuck them. Let them lose. Their tank job to get Luck was a despicable display of poor sportsmanship and in a sense was the best example of what can be wrong with the NFL these days.....letting teams tank. Fuck them. Lose. I remember when they had their division sown up, and they were playing someone who the Browns were fighting with for a playoff spot. This was 2007. They tanked that game, denying the Browns a chance to make the playoffs. Refused to play Peyton...instead played like Curtis Painter at QB. It was the worst example of a lack of integrity in the game that I have seen. So, nothing that team suffers breaks my heart....albeit that I did like Luck and thought he could be special. It wasn't against him, but that organization.
He has played pretty well. I don't think that he will be in like the Top 20 QBs in this league, but he can be a starter and play decently. How far they go depends a lot of the quality of the rest of the team.
The Colts HAVE done a lot to put quality players around Luck...now they are going to have to rely on the supporting cast to pull the show together and not the star.
All that being said...Fuck them. Let them lose. Their tank job to get Luck was a despicable display of poor sportsmanship and in a sense was the best example of what can be wrong with the NFL these days.....letting teams tank. Fuck them. Lose. I remember when they had their division sown up, and they were playing someone who the Browns were fighting with for a playoff spot. This was 2007. They tanked that game, denying the Browns a chance to make the playoffs. Refused to play Peyton...instead played like Curtis Painter at QB. It was the worst example of a lack of integrity in the game that I have seen. So, nothing that team suffers breaks my heart....albeit that I did like Luck and thought he could be special. It wasn't against him, but that organization.
Yes Gip those of us old enough remember the moving vans pulling out of Baltimore in the middle of the night. Not like Indy didn't deserve a team, not just that team.
Couldn't happen to the Browns? well it did. Why I hope nothing but continual losing to Carpetbaggers Kroenke (Rams), Chargers (Spanos) and the Rovin' Raiders with Davis.
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Which QB injury was it that "Browns fans" cheered?
Anywho... my two initial reactions to this news:
- Is it April 1st?
- Eli Manning has a new home.
Best wishes to Luck on the rest of his life. Tough decision... just because it may be the right one does not make his decision any easier.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Understand why he retired and am ambivalent.
Understand why he retired and am ambivalent.
Maybe you need to undergo 4 years of constant pain. Then you might not be so ambivalent.
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Understand why he retired and am ambivalent.
Maybe you need to undergo 4 years of constant pain. Then you might not be so ambivalent.
Maybe you need to undergo 4 years of constant pain. Then you might not be so ambivalent.
That is very true someone told me once years back. "pain can make anyone a coward". I totally believe that now.
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Maybe you need to undergo 4 years of constant pain. Then you might not be so ambivalent.
That is very true someone told me once years back. "pain can make anyone a coward". I totally believe that now.
That is very true someone told me once years back. "pain can make anyone a coward". I totally believe that now.
Well, you should know, based on what I understand what you have endured with all of your hospital time. Was the problem you were in their for very painful?
As I hope that Unsympathetic would not be that so much toward your circumstance.
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That is very true someone told me once years back. "pain can make anyone a coward". I totally believe that now.
Well, you should know, based on what I understand what you have endured with all of your hospital time. Was the problem you were in their for very painful?
As I hope that Unsympathetic would not be that so much toward your circumstance.
Well, you should know, based on what I understand what you have endured with all of your hospital time. Was the problem you were in their for very painful?
As I hope that Unsympathetic would not be that so much toward your circumstance.
Yes very plus in the 10 hospital trips I had from 2015-2019 some were lengthy stays 7 requiring rehab.
In 2015 I got very sick and lost 63 pounds down below my high school weight 50 years earlier. I almost didn't make it back......you learn a lot from those experiences.
There are 40 year old former football players who have to walk with two canes or some who can't remember how to get home.
Easy to judge sometimes.
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