Overreaction Monday
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Bwahaha.
Honestly, the offense looked pretty decent for a while if the penalties weren't so prevalent. WTF was that illegal blind side block crap they called on Robinson? I mean, Jesus. We also had two drops BY Njoku, and both hurt. Drive killers.
What a mess.
Can’t help but think what if we stuck with GW? They looked pretty well coached and disciplined the second half last year. Especially for a interim FO. People worried too much about the HC misspeaking about jobs and forgot to look at his actions for the team.
Somebody said discipline and humility can’t be taught. Bullshit!!!! Ask any marine about learning discipline. Go hang out in a children’s hospital with terminally ill kids for a week. You’ll learn humility too. So now the southern accent rules. I really hope Freddy catches on. But so typical. Shitcan the proven winner and go with the unknown
Can’t help but think what if we stuck with GW? They looked pretty well coached and disciplined the second half last year. Especially for a interim FO. People worried too much about the HC misspeaking about jobs and forgot to look at his actions for the team.
Somebody said discipline and humility can’t be taught. Bullshit!!!! Ask any marine about learning discipline. Go hang out in a children’s hospital with terminally ill kids for a week. You’ll learn humility too. So now the southern accent rules. I really hope Freddy catches on. But so typical. Shitcan the proven winner and go with the unknown
That's an interesting point and not something I thought about. I do know that many weren't exactly happy with our defense, specifically our tackling and problems against the run, and those issues as much as anything doomed Gregg IMO. All I know is I feel physically SICK this morning. Yes, I know it's a game and all that, but I was really excited for this game, and win or lose I would've been ok, but not like this.
The real killer was the OL, and much of that can be traced back to Greg Robinson and Hubbard. We had several plays with receivers running free deep, including one where OBJ was WIDE OPEN, but Baker couldn't step up and throw it. Those are killers in the NFL because you just don't get those opportunities often, and you HAVE to take advantage of them.
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It's not just the penalties, it's also the actual blocking that killed us. There were 3 plays we had open for long touchdowns, but Baker wasn't able to let it loose because he didn't have time. Do I expect Baker to hit all 3? No, but when I say OBJ was open downfield, I mean he was OPEN boys. 3 chances to score that didn't happen because of blocking, and that's a problem. Believe it or not, it wasn't our 3rd string LT that screwed us. It was Hubbard.
How about OBJ getting called for offensive PI ? Fans in the stands thought it was bogus. Ditto Baker down.
How about OBJ getting called for offensive PI ? Fans in the stands thought it was bogus. Ditto Baker down.
I thought it looked like OPI at full speed, but as the replay count rose not so much. Yes, OBJ extended his arms and that's what Officials look for, but the DB also stumbled prior to the arm extension. What I could not tell was whether OBJ pulled the DB to set him off balance.
The final concern is Kitchens.
My specific concern is that Kitch made a point of emphasizing penalties, and especially not fighting, the 2nd half of camp... and it obviously had no impact.
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Can’t help but think what if we stuck with GW? They looked pretty well coached and disciplined the second half last year. Especially for a interim FO. People worried too much about the HC misspeaking about jobs and forgot to look at his actions for the team.
Somebody said discipline and humility can’t be taught. Bullshit!!!! Ask any marine about learning discipline. Go hang out in a children’s hospital with terminally ill kids for a week. You’ll learn humility too. So now the southern accent rules. I really hope Freddy catches on. But so typical. Shitcan the proven winner and go with the unknown
That's an interesting point and not something I thought about. I do know that many weren't exactly happy with our defense, specifically our tackling and problems against the run, and those issues as much as anything doomed Gregg IMO. All I know is I feel physically SICK this morning. Yes, I know it's a game and all that, but I was really excited for this game, and win or lose I would've been ok, but not like this.
The real killer was the OL, and much of that can be traced back to Greg Robinson and Hubbard. We had several plays with receivers running free deep, including one where OBJ was WIDE OPEN, but Baker couldn't step up and throw it. Those are killers in the NFL because you just don't get those opportunities often, and you HAVE to take advantage of them.
That's an interesting point and not something I thought about. I do know that many weren't exactly happy with our defense, specifically our tackling and problems against the run, and those issues as much as anything doomed Gregg IMO. All I know is I feel physically SICK this morning. Yes, I know it's a game and all that, but I was really excited for this game, and win or lose I would've been ok, but not like this.
The real killer was the OL, and much of that can be traced back to Greg Robinson and Hubbard. We had several plays with receivers running free deep, including one where OBJ was WIDE OPEN, but Baker couldn't step up and throw it. Those are killers in the NFL because you just don't get those opportunities often, and you HAVE to take advantage of them.
My own.simple term and it agrees with what you’re saying. We just keep shooting ourselves in the foot. I keep saying it’ll get better. But will it? Geeeze, does God really hate the Browns?
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speaking referee calls..;.
what in the hell was that quick whistle on Baker being grabbed by the shoulder?
what...in...the...hell.....was.....THAT ?>???
Baker pulled away just fine.
But when Baker got driven into the turf, banging his head on the turf...no call?
and another tackle...Baker was on the ground and another player hit him?
THEN you hear the whistle?
Something is wrong with the NFL referees. Some teams get screwed with questionable calls, and other....favorite teams laugh when their falgrant fouls are not called. It isn't just the Browns.
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There was some chaos and disarray on the sidelines at times that may have carried over to the field. Staff needs to get that in order
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The offense looked like a lost episode of HeeHaw while the defense was a huge disappointment.
Bwahaha.
Honestly, the offense looked pretty decent for a while if the penalties weren't so prevalent. WTF was that illegal blind side block crap they called on Robinson? I mean, Jesus. We also had two drops BY Njoku, and both hurt. Drive killers.
What a mess.
Bwahaha.
Honestly, the offense looked pretty decent for a while if the penalties weren't so prevalent. WTF was that illegal blind side block crap they called on Robinson? I mean, Jesus. We also had two drops BY Njoku, and both hurt. Drive killers.
What a mess.
No team is going to win a game committing 180+ yards of penalties. Take those out and the stats were pretty even. We were constantly in first or second and a mile, tough to convert those. I'll have a chance to look at the game replay today, but I'll say at the game, the fans were about ready to start throwing bottles at the refs.
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Someone needs to install some discipline here, and it all starts with Kitchens. Can't be a players coach in this league. Maybe he needs to make an example of someone? Give the team a wake up call. Do it now, you set the example, do it later, your'e just reacting. Better to be proactive now, then reactive later. Should of ran the ball a whole lot more and early. Have a feeling we will probably be looking at the WW to see who is out there, or contacting other teams about some LT that is available. Think I would of rather of seen Lawrence and Ogunjobi in the center with Garrett and Avery crashing the ends. And Mack Wilson would of gave us some good minutes as well, at least he could cover DWalker. It's just 1 game, so we will see if they get it together next week.
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speaking referee calls..;.
what in the hell was that quick whistle on Baker being grabbed by the shoulder?
what...in...the...hell.....was.....THAT ?>???
Baker pulled away just fine.
But when Baker got driven into the turf, banging his head on the turf...no call?
and another tackle...Baker was on the ground and another player hit him?
THEN you hear the whistle?
Something is wrong with the NFL referees. Some teams get screwed with questionable calls, and other....favorite teams laugh when their falgrant fouls are not called. It isn't just the Browns.
speaking referee calls..;.
what in the hell was that quick whistle on Baker being grabbed by the shoulder?
what...in...the...hell.....was.....THAT ?>???
Baker pulled away just fine.
But when Baker got driven into the turf, banging his head on the turf...no call?
and another tackle...Baker was on the ground and another player hit him?
THEN you hear the whistle?
Something is wrong with the NFL referees. Some teams get screwed with questionable calls, and other....favorite teams laugh when their falgrant fouls are not called. It isn't just the Browns.
I've seen that same call dozens of times, even almost 20 years ago (when I believe the first started trying to protect the QB with the "in the grasp" calls).
It was an early whistle, but once it is blown, you can't "re-start" the play. You can't blow the whistle and then say, "No, wait, I shouldn't have blown it, keep playing."
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speaking referee calls..;.
what in the hell was that quick whistle on Baker being grabbed by the shoulder?
what...in...the...hell.....was.....THAT ?>???
Baker pulled away just fine.
But when Baker got driven into the turf, banging his head on the turf...no call?
and another tackle...Baker was on the ground and another player hit him?
THEN you hear the whistle?
Something is wrong with the NFL referees. Some teams get screwed with questionable calls, and other....favorite teams laugh when their falgrant fouls are not called. It isn't just the Browns.
I've seen that same call dozens of times, even almost 20 years ago (when I believe the first started trying to protect the QB with the "in the grasp" calls).
It was an early whistle, but once it is blown, you can't "re-start" the play. You can't blow the whistle and then say, "No, wait, I shouldn't have blown it, keep playing."
I've seen that same call dozens of times, even almost 20 years ago (when I believe the first started trying to protect the QB with the "in the grasp" calls).
It was an early whistle, but once it is blown, you can't "re-start" the play. You can't blow the whistle and then say, "No, wait, I shouldn't have blown it, keep playing."
True, but "in the grasp" is so seldom called these days what with all the other protections built into the rules.
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Someone needs to install some discipline here, and it all starts with Kitchens. Can't be a players coach in this league. Maybe he needs to make an example of someone? Give the team a wake up call. Do it now, you set the example, do it later, your'e just reacting. Better to be proactive now, then reactive later. Should of ran the ball a whole lot more and early. Have a feeling we will probably be looking at the WW to see who is out there, or contacting other teams about some LT that is available. Think I would of rather of seen Lawrence and Ogunjobi in the center with Garrett and Avery crashing the ends. And Mack Wilson would of gave us some good minutes as well, at least he could cover DWalker. It's just 1 game, so we will see if they get it together next week.
Someone needs to install some discipline here, and it all starts with Kitchens. Can't be a players coach in this league. Maybe he needs to make an example of someone? Give the team a wake up call. Do it now, you set the example, do it later, your'e just reacting. Better to be proactive now, then reactive later. Should of ran the ball a whole lot more and early. Have a feeling we will probably be looking at the WW to see who is out there, or contacting other teams about some LT that is available.
This. It's been my concern all along. I know Freddie is likeable, and is the basic opposite of jerk coaches, like Haley. So, everyone is comfortable with Freddie around. But sometimes being "comfortable" isn't what is needed in the NFL. Do you remember Parcells' 1st year as the Giants' head coach? (I don't "remember" it, other than from the Documentaries, etc., that's been done on him). After he realized he was probably coaching his last season if he didn't win more, he told his assistant coaches, "the players aren't going to like me, but I have to coach my way moving forward and that's just the way it has to be." He went on to win 2 rings with that team, but was not fun for the players to be around, but most of them love him now, knowing he had to crack the whip to get the results he needed. Jimmy Johnson was the same way, players say they were terrified to be around him. Hoodie, the same.
Phil Simms always says, in order to prepare for football, you have to be pushed to do things you wouldn't do on your own (with some rare exceptions). Does FK do that enough? Is there a reason he was never considered for any head coaching jobs prior to this, on any level? A buddy of mine went to camp this year and told me FK was running tougher camps than any prior coach he had seen. I don't know. All I know is the product they put on the field yesterday screams of a lack of discipline. 18 penalties, sloppiness. That falls on the head coach, does it not?
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I've seen that same call dozens of times, even almost 20 years ago (when I believe the first started trying to protect the QB with the "in the grasp" calls).
It was an early whistle, but once it is blown, you can't "re-start" the play. You can't blow the whistle and then say, "No, wait, I shouldn't have blown it, keep playing."
True, but "in the grasp" is so seldom called these days what with all the other protections built into the rules.
True, but "in the grasp" is so seldom called these days what with all the other protections built into the rules.
It's called less, you are right. But it's still in the book. As long as it is, there will be some plays where the whistle is blown early, it will happen. The QB looks like he can't get away, but then does.
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There was some chaos and disarray on the sidelines at times that may have carried over to the field. Staff needs to get that in order
There was some chaos and disarray on the sidelines at times that may have carried over to the field. Staff needs to get that in order
Is Freddie over his head?
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speaking referee calls..;.
what in the hell was that quick whistle on Baker being grabbed by the shoulder?
what...in...the...hell.....was.....THAT ?>???
Baker pulled away just fine.
But when Baker got driven into the turf, banging his head on the turf...no call?
and another tackle...Baker was on the ground and another player hit him?
THEN you hear the whistle?
Something is wrong with the NFL referees. Some teams get screwed with questionable calls, and other....favorite teams laugh when their falgrant fouls are not called. It isn't just the Browns.
speaking referee calls..;.
what in the hell was that quick whistle on Baker being grabbed by the shoulder?
what...in...the...hell.....was.....THAT ?>???
Baker pulled away just fine.
But when Baker got driven into the turf, banging his head on the turf...no call?
and another tackle...Baker was on the ground and another player hit him?
THEN you hear the whistle?
Something is wrong with the NFL referees. Some teams get screwed with questionable calls, and other....favorite teams laugh when their falgrant fouls are not called. It isn't just the Browns.
Its called 'in the grasp' another save the quarterback pussy rule.
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