Flags/Penalties
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I find it interesting that the same people on this board who excuse poor play by Browns players as the byproduct of little playing time in preseason also think there's some anti-Browns conspiracy by the refs who call penalties on these supposedly rusty players "who treat September like their preseason".
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Just watched the Henry 75 yard TD. Unless you guys had a better video than I did, there is no penalty on that play.
The Landry play on the sideline was on him.
I just found a video of all the penalties:
1. Not a blindside block
2. Is absolutely the right call for Roughing the passer
3. Double team, there is a double team, cant argue that 1
4. Unnecessary roughness on Garrett. Absolutely
5. Defensive hold. He was a little early, that one could go either way. Wasn't egregious
6. Roughing the passer on Richardson was the right call. They are protecting the QB more and more and it was not needed.
7. Offsides- yeah
8. The kick. It was absolutely a kick and he should be suspended
9. False start. I can't say I see it. Looks like maybe his hand moves
10. Offensive PI. I'm sorry but it is. He pushes off to gain separation
11. Holding. It was but not one of the worst holds I have seen. But he does hold him at the POA
12. Illegal use of hands and hold on PR. Video really didn't show it
13. False start. No way to dispute it
14. Hold on Harris. Clear hold
15. 2nd hold on Harris, probably but not nearly as bad
16. Hold on Ward. It wasn't in the video and no replay. It appears that Myles was held on the play
17. Hold on Hubbard absolutely
I/or the video must have missed one. And this doesn't take into account ones that were missed on the Titans. But since I couldn't see the game I figured I would try to find a video since people were making it out to be so bad.
2 that I didn't think were flags, a couple that were penalties but could have been no calls, and a couple couldn't see in video.
The Henry 75 yard TD they were talking about illegal man down field possibly. I didn’t really focus on that but it was apparently close. The more egregious error was the hook/hold and then possibly block in the back right in front of Henry after he caught the ball. That gets called most of the Time. The lineman head may have snuck in front but he tagged him in the back shoulder.
Not taking anything else away - Heck of a play call and it was executed well. But if we are calling the game tightly as they did I don’t know how you overlook that one.
QB safety and those calls have no problem with those either they were cautious all game even to our detriment when Baker was ruled in the grasp way too early.
the interior holds were either way too picky or you were thinking how did they miss that one and I’m talking both ways. I watched the giants game right after ours- they let the interior line play go- there were some guys tackling LBs that they didn’t call.
The Henry 75 yard TD they were talking about illegal man down field possibly. I didn’t really focus on that but it was apparently close.
Clearly in your photo the ball has already been thrown.
ARTICLE 2. AFTER PASS IS THROWN
After the ball leaves the passer’s hand, ineligible pass receivers can advance more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, or beyond the position reached by their initial charge, provided that they do not block or contact a defensive player, who is more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, until the ball is touched by a player of either team. Such prior blocking and/or contact is pass interference if it occurs in the vicinity of where the ball is thrown. See 8-3-1-Note above for exception when blocker maintains continuous contact.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2019-nfl-rulebook/#article-1.-legal-and-illegal-acts
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I find it interesting that the same people on this board who excuse poor play by Browns players as the byproduct of little playing time in preseason also think there's some anti-Browns conspiracy by the refs who call penalties on these supposedly rusty players "who treat September like their preseason".
I find it interesting that the same people on this board who excuse poor play by Browns players as the byproduct of little playing time in preseason also think there's some anti-Browns conspiracy by the refs who call penalties on these supposedly rusty players "who treat September like their preseason".
Did you bring this up Nero's Overreaction Monday thread? In fairness, you might have since after I was in it. It felt like I had 2 collapsed lungs watching that effort from a team I had hoped was eager to prove they a contender. I didn't like that getting the Overreaction Monday cologne over the stench it left us with and I posted that. Here's the cut and paste:
On kickoffs, more and more teams are putting air under the football and kicking it shy of the goal line so the opponent doesn't start at the 25. When we did this, we stopped TN inside their 20 and TN even had some penalties in their return game which further played in our favor. Also, the Scottish Hammer did a job of flipping field position and causing them to start inside their 20 a few times (once at their own 6 yard line).
All that said, losing 43-13 at home deserves some reaction and concern IMO. When adversity appeared our team disappeared. In this sport, teams are defined by what they do when adversity strikes. As a fan, I've always wanted our problems to be just 1 guy because you can correct that. This team was SOFT yesterday. They were NOT prepared at all despite hearing they had been preparing for TN the last few weeks. Really? They didn't play the Volunteers. They played the Titans for at least a few minutes...
The offense looked like a lost episode of HeeHaw while the defense was a huge disappointment. 18 penalties isn't going to beat anybody but us. I'd be concerned if they didn't react.
There's a lot to clean up - but there is enough talent here to make it possible. We'll see how they respond.
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I find it interesting that the same people on this board who excuse poor play by Browns players as the byproduct of little playing time in preseason also think there's some anti-Browns conspiracy by the refs who call penalties on these supposedly rusty players "who treat September like their preseason".
I find it interesting that the same people on this board who excuse poor play by Browns players as the byproduct of little playing time in preseason also think there's some anti-Browns conspiracy by the refs who call penalties on these supposedly rusty players "who treat September like their preseason".
Well said Dutch. I'm more concerned about their trend league-wide to call more penalties. Forget the Titans game for a second. Some of these games are getting hard to watch like the last game the Titans played on Thursday Night. It was a flag fest and Aikman wasn't shy about stating his displeasure about it.
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The Henry 75 yard TD they were talking about illegal man down field possibly. I didn’t really focus on that but it was apparently close.
Clearly in your photo the ball has already been thrown.
ARTICLE 2. AFTER PASS IS THROWN
After the ball leaves the passer’s hand, ineligible pass receivers can advance more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, or beyond the position reached by their initial charge, provided that they do not block or contact a defensive player, who is more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, until the ball is touched by a player of either team. Such prior blocking and/or contact is pass interference if it occurs in the vicinity of where the ball is thrown. See 8-3-1-Note above for exception when blocker maintains continuous contact.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2019-nfl-rulebook/#article-1.-legal-and-illegal-acts
Clearly in your photo the ball has already been thrown.
ARTICLE 2. AFTER PASS IS THROWN
After the ball leaves the passer’s hand, ineligible pass receivers can advance more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, or beyond the position reached by their initial charge, provided that they do not block or contact a defensive player, who is more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, until the ball is touched by a player of either team. Such prior blocking and/or contact is pass interference if it occurs in the vicinity of where the ball is thrown. See 8-3-1-Note above for exception when blocker maintains continuous contact.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2019-nfl-rulebook/#article-1.-legal-and-illegal-acts
Yeah I brought it up because Romo or the other analyst mentioned it as a reason that the refs would have been reviewing the TD.
They didn’t miss that call. A flag should not have been thrown on that
I thought maybe they were going to drop a flag way after the fact (wishful thinking) on the blatant push/block in the back Right in front of the pass catcher.
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I watch MLB as well as football. It’s amazing at the hair close plays that are called right in baseball. Of course having full time well paid officials helps. I guess the NFL can’t or won’t afford good officiating. Training and money works.
For sure, my dude. I'm not being funny or dramatic when I say it's making the game unwatchable.
the GOAT agrees with me too: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27655167/brady-turns-tnf-citing-ridiculous-penalties
I'm not being funny or dramatic when I say it's making the game unwatchable.
the GOAT agrees with me too: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27655167/brady-turns-tnf-citing-ridiculous-penalties
good to see the real game pace of football again..from TNF, flag counts are down today. Qb's taking some hits with refs keeping flags in their pockets.. Holds have been the legit holds.. Not baa-baa for a ?..
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If only there was a referee standing right over the players to eject a dude for literally choking a player on the field..man, too bad.
Anything less than some game suspensions is unacceptable, for both the player and the ref.
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If only there was a referee standing right over the players to eject a dude for literally choking a player on the field..man, too bad.
Anything less than some game suspensions is unacceptable, for both the player and the ref.
If only there was a referee standing right over the players to eject a dude for literally choking a player on the field..man, too bad.
Anything less than some game suspensions is unacceptable, for both the player and the ref.
Ya I saw that. Will he be their next knife murderer? Refs were told to call less penalties. That sure didn’t make them better tho
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It's just a normal Bama-LSU thing. Move along. Nothing to see.???
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If only there was a referee standing right over the players to eject a dude for literally choking a player on the field..man, too bad.
Anything less than some game suspensions is unacceptable, for both the player and the ref.
If only there was a referee standing right over the players to eject a dude for literally choking a player on the field..man, too bad.
Anything less than some game suspensions is unacceptable, for both the player and the ref.
Obj threw a punch also and didn't get ejected. If they go back and suspend Humphrey for the choking then expect obj to get suspended for throwing a little 1-2 combo
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If only there was a referee standing right over the players to eject a dude for literally choking a player on the field..man, too bad.
Anything less than some game suspensions is unacceptable, for both the player and the ref.
Obj threw a punch also and didn't get ejected. If they go back and suspend Humphrey for the choking then expect obj to get suspended for throwing a little 1-2 combo
Obj threw a punch also and didn't get ejected. If they go back and suspend Humphrey for the choking then expect obj to get suspended for throwing a little 1-2 combo
Punches are thrown quite often in games. Can't say I see the two hands to the throat takedown very often though.
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Have seen a choke hold in football since Reynolds choked Sorgi...
We may have been in the playoffs in 07 if it was applied a little tighter. Lol.
To Humphrey’s credit he apologized yesterday, I think he even realized he was way over the line
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If only there was a referee standing right over the players to eject a dude for literally choking a player on the field..man, too bad.
Anything less than some game suspensions is unacceptable, for both the player and the ref.
Obj threw a punch also and didn't get ejected. If they go back and suspend Humphrey for the choking then expect obj to get suspended for throwing a little 1-2 combo
Obj threw a punch also and didn't get ejected. If they go back and suspend Humphrey for the choking then expect obj to get suspended for throwing a little 1-2 combo
I don't disagree, but the below poster is exactly right. There's probably 3-4 cases of a dude throwing a blow like OBJ did on any given football Sunday. He was wrong to do it, and is very likely to get fined. Here's the direct replay: https://sports.yahoo.com/drama-in-browns-ravens-leads-to-obj-getting-chokeslammed-by-marlon-humphrey-200322604.html. OBJ was clearly getting held by the way, but that action "punch" isn't something that makes you recoil.
Humphry on the other hand committed what would be a felony and even attempted murder in some cases, and that's not being dramatic. It just ain't the same. If Burfict just got a full year suspension for a helmet to helmet hit, there's no way this shouldn't get at least one game. It's absolutely unacceptable.
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First... anyone throwing a punch at a helmeted player is stupid.... because... you know... helmet...
But for a skill position player, especially Receivers and QBs, to do so is double-stupid... at a minimum.
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We may have been in the playoffs in 07 if it was applied a little tighter. Lol.
To Humphrey’s credit he apologized yesterday, I think he even realized he was way over the line
Apparently Humphrey was told by Harbaugh "to get physical" with OBJ. Also apparently that's SOP around the league to stop Beckham. BTW, on the pass Beckham threw- I thought they easily could have called PI.
First... anyone throwing a punch at a helmeted player is stupid.... because... you know... helmet...
But for a skill position player, especially Receivers and QBs, to do so is double-stupid... at a minimum.
Um, like you could break your hand?
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We may have been in the playoffs in 07 if it was applied a little tighter. Lol.
To Humphrey’s credit he apologized yesterday, I think he even realized he was way over the line
Apparently Humphrey was told by Harbaugh "to get physical" with OBJ. Also apparently that's SOP around the league to stop Beckham. BTW, on the pass Beckham threw- I thought they easily could have called PI.
First... anyone throwing a punch at a helmeted player is stupid.... because... you know... helmet...
But for a skill position player, especially Receivers and QBs, to do so is double-stupid... at a minimum.
Um, like you could break your hand?
Apparently Humphrey was told by Harbaugh "to get physical" with OBJ. Also apparently that's SOP around the league to stop Beckham. BTW, on the pass Beckham threw- I thought they easily could have called PI.
Um, like you could break your hand?
I thought perhaps that Freddie would challenge that now that PI penalties can be challenged.
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Apparently Humphrey was told by Harbaugh "to get physical" with OBJ. Also apparently that's SOP around the league to stop Beckham. BTW, on the pass Beckham threw- I thought they easily could have called PI.
Um, like you could break your hand?
I thought perhaps that Freddie would challenge that now that PI penalties can be challenged.
I thought perhaps that Freddie would challenge that now that PI penalties can be challenged.
Ratley was wearing a Raven. It could have been called. But The PI reviews haven’t been overturned that often and I don’t think they give PI serious consideration in jump ball scenarios. This was almost like a one on one Hail Mary scenario
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