WEEK 4 - MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL SPECIAL - One man's opinion on Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
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I don't think mortgaging the future is necessary. A top LT would be nice, but a decent one would suffice for now. One extra second of protection could make all the difference in the world.
The Fitzpatrick deal was made under the assumption that the offense would be secure, and that the defense needed to get back to their former glory. Neither of which happened. So probably a bad deal even if the Steelers do make the playoffs.Ben is getting old, tired, and really no longer has his heart in the game. He has taken more abuse in his career than most would take in two. Even if he does come back next year, his heart wont be in the game. I don't think we'll ever see the same Ben again. It is what it is. That first in 2020 would have been really nice for a prime QB, don't you think?
Fitzpatrick is 22, a former 11th overall draft pick and a tremendous leader. He's also been very good in his first two games. They were never going to draft a qb and left tackles worth first round picks are coming off the board in the first three picks. The Steelers aren't drafting that high. Your Ben comment is also fucking ridiculous. Lol
Fitzpatrick is 22, a former 11th overall draft pick and a tremendous leader. He's also been very good in his first two games. They were never going to draft a qb and left tackles worth first round picks are coming off the board in the first three picks. The Steelers aren't drafting that high. Your Ben comment is also fucking ridiculous. Lol
Spoken like a true homer. As I said, I liked what I saw of Rudolph- I didn't forget about the play or two where he had to scramble and improvise. As teams get more tape on him- it should get more difficult as teams figure out what he can do- just like it has for Baker. Looking better than he is due to the Steelers o-line? For sure, just as Baker regressed the first couple games because the Browns o-line sucked. BTW, if you think Ben is going to play well into his 40s like Brady- you're out of your mind. The other Steeler guy posting in this thread isn't wearing your rose colored glasses regarding Ben's potential past 2020. Ever consider the surgery they did on Ben's elbow just might be a stopgap, and not a permanent fix? & it just might not allow a 100% recovery, if that's the case, he's done, hate to tell you.
Again, your defense is pretty decent- but God help you if Ju-Ju gets hurt, you're a one dimensional Connor running show, the other Steelers WRs aren't going to scare anyone. .
Said it- The next two games are going to define which direction your season is going to go. BTW, ditto the Browns.
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the fitz trade was a good idea...edmunds and davis have been just short of horrible, and given Colberts failure to draft a decent DB anywhere, getting a sure thing for that first pick just ensure he doesnt fuck it up again. solid front 7 (bush has been iffy thus far) will give teams something to think about, but they're not a dominate line anymore that can wreck any OL. offensively, there is nothing that to really worry about. JuJu has been pedestrian, washington and johnson are young. samuels is a versatile guy and looks like a good player...cant for the life of me see why connor is still starting.
they match up well physically with the rats...but the rats are much better coached team than the kitties. game can go wither way...
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No one is counting them out. We’re just saying that the Browns have more talent in more places and should win this division. Everyone knows that.
Ehhh.... I'd say the Browns just have talent in different places. Those places just happen to mean a bit more in terms of success on the field. And talent that is lacking in the areas that need attention will probably be more easily filled by the Browns.
Ehhh.... I'd say the Browns just have talent in different places. Those places just happen to mean a bit more in terms of success on the field. And talent that is lacking in the areas that need attention will probably be more easily filled by the Browns.
The Browns are better at QB now. (with BR out)
The Browns are better at RB now.
The Browns are better at WR now.
TE? Not sure.
The Steelers are better along the OL.
The Browns are better along the DL
The Steelers are probably better at LB.
The Browns are better at DB (but it would help if we get healthy).
And I don't know about the STs. We do have rookie Punter and Kicker, and really no return game.
So, OK the Browns have talent in different places....MORE different places.
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Well they probably have a bunch a little stations that can only be heard within a 10 mile radius like the Massillon one
??? If you looked at the link in my original post, no Bungles affiliate currently available in Massillon. It happens. Dayton sadly got dropped from the Browns network last year, but another station is broadcasting the games now. According to the Bengals website, the closest broadcast cities to the Akron-Canton area are in Mount Vernon and Marion.
??? If you looked at the link in my original post, no Bungles affiliate currently available in Massillon. It happens. Dayton sadly got dropped from the Browns network last year, but another station is broadcasting the games now. According to the Bengals website, the closest broadcast cities to the Akron-Canton area are in Mount Vernon and Marion.
OK, I know that they USED to have their games aired on WTIG in Massillon. Not now though? I wonder why? Well, actually, I suspect I know why....the Bengals sucked and they got no ratings for their games.
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Unlike Vag our resident Steeler Homer who thinks 6 guys on Pittsburgh's defense are Pro Bowl locks, you seem to be more reasonable in your assessment of their talent. Sure, the front seven abused a very suspect Bengals o-line- but I'll reserve judgement on how good they really are until after they play the Ravens. And speaking of playoffs- should the Steelers lose the next two- (very possible) to the Ravens and Chargers, the odds of Pittsburgh getting to the post season are mighty long.
What I saw of Rudolph- and I watched every play of the game, is he benefited immensely thanks to the Steelers great o-line. Nothing helps a QB who's lacking game experience more than a bulletproof pocket with plenty of time to set up and throw.
The Ravens still have a decent OL which won't be abused so easily. Luckily for us Steelers fans, Jackson really doesn't seem to be the best pocket passer, and shouldn't be too much of a threat given he will be facing a tougher secondary. True though, the odds of Pitt making the postseason are long. But the season is young, and none of us know what the future holds.
Most QBs benefit from not being touched. Roethlisberger stands out as an anomaly in that category, he just has some weird knack for making things happen with linebackers hanging off his shoulders. Rudolph is no Big Ben.... he needs that OL to not let anything through.
Mayfield also is no Big Ben. But we've seen what he can do with a little time to look down field and find the WR talent he's been offered. Who has Dorsey in their contacts list? Someone make the call and tell him to get a decent LT!
The Ravens still have a decent OL which won't be abused so easily. Luckily for us Steelers fans, Jackson really doesn't seem to be the best pocket passer, and shouldn't be too much of a threat given he will be facing a tougher secondary. True though, the odds of Pitt making the postseason are long. But the season is young, and none of us know what the future holds.
Most QBs benefit from not being touched. Roethlisberger stands out as an anomaly in that category, he just has some weird knack for making things happen with linebackers hanging off his shoulders. Rudolph is no Big Ben.... he needs that OL to not let anything through.
Mayfield also is no Big Ben. But we've seen what he can do with a little time to look down field and find the WR talent he's been offered. Who has Dorsey in their contacts list? Someone make the call and tell him to get a decent LT!
Key for the Ravens: get a lead and hold it. That way Jackson can be more of a weapon with his legs than he can be with his arm.
Key for the Steelers: get a lead....that way you can negate Jackson's running and make him throw to try to catch up. You saw what happened vs. the Browns. They got one fluke TD at the end of the game...on a short pass/long run....when the game was already decided. Don't let the game be close near the end. (and, yea, I know that is kind of "Captain Obvious".....I am just saying that with a lead, Jackson's doing damage with runs is negated)
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??? If you looked at the link in my original post, no Bungles affiliate currently available in Massillon. It happens. Dayton sadly got dropped from the Browns network last year, but another station is broadcasting the games now. According to the Bengals website, the closest broadcast cities to the Akron-Canton area are in Mount Vernon and Marion.
OK, I know that they USED to have their games aired on WTIG in Massillon. Not now though? I wonder why? Well, actually, I suspect I know why....the Bengals sucked and they got no ratings for their games.
OK, I know that they USED to have their games aired on WTIG in Massillon. Not now though? I wonder why? Well, actually, I suspect I know why....the Bengals sucked and they got no ratings for their games.
Same reason WHIO in Dayton dropped the Browns after 1-15 and 0-16. Advertisers weren't willing to pay money for time on a broadcast if almost no one was listening.....
And I find it unbelievable after 10+ years we have a radio station in Dayton that still broadcasts every Dayton Dragons low Class A baseball games. You probably know I'm no great fan of baseball in general, but who in their right mind wants to listen to some virtually meaningless minor leage ball?
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No one is counting them out. We’re just saying that the Browns have more talent in more places and should win this division. Everyone knows that.
No, everyone doesn't know that because it isn't true. Lol
No, everyone doesn't know that because it isn't true. Lol
Except, of course, it is true. ONLY YOU do not believe it.
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OK, I know that they USED to have their games aired on WTIG in Massillon. Not now though? I wonder why? Well, actually, I suspect I know why....the Bengals sucked and they got no ratings for their games.
Same reason WHIO in Dayton dropped the Browns after 1-15 and 0-16. Advertisers weren't willing to pay money for time on a broadcast if almost no one was listening.....
And I find it unbelievable after 10+ years we have a radio station in Dayton that still broadcasts every Dayton Dragons low Class A baseball games. You probably know I'm no great fan of baseball in general, but who in their right mind wants to listen to some virtually meaningless minor leage ball?
Same reason WHIO in Dayton dropped the Browns after 1-15 and 0-16. Advertisers weren't willing to pay money for time on a broadcast if almost no one was listening.....
And I find it unbelievable after 10+ years we have a radio station in Dayton that still broadcasts every Dayton Dragons low Class A baseball games. You probably know I'm no great fan of baseball in general, but who in their right mind wants to listen to some virtually meaningless minor leage ball?
Since 1999 and particularly in the past few years the BROWNS lost a lot of followers and sponsors -but- that might turn around if they continue on this current hot streak.
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Blah Blah blah blah and blah. I listen to ESPN Pittsburgh and I hear the shit you Faggot fans call in and say. Just because you don't know any does not mean they don't exist. I am guessing you don't know very many because why else would you be on another team message board? But listen to Steeler fans go nuts after 1 game and celebrate is as bout as dumb as Browns fans thinking the problems are fixed after 1 game. You play the Ratbirds next week, as we play San Fran Sicko take the shit 1 game at a time.
Espn Pittsburgh fucking sucks, just like all espn radio. I do take it one game at a time, I also don't get my steeler news from the mainstream. I'm on this board because I went to college in ohio, all my college friends are diehard Browns fans so I joined this board for more info and improved shit talking. Don't like it? Too fucking bad. They can ban me if they want.
Espn Pittsburgh fucking sucks, just like all espn radio. I do take it one game at a time, I also don't get my steeler news from the mainstream. I'm on this board because I went to college in ohio, all my college friends are diehard Browns fans so I joined this board for more info and improved shit talking. Don't like it? Too fucking bad. They can ban me if they want.
So, you get your steeler news from like underground radio....some guy wearing a tinfoil hat? Maybe that explains why you are so out of touch with reality.
And who says anything about banning you? You are here to satisfy our sadist urges. Why would we want to let go of our favorite punching bag?
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I don't think mortgaging the future is necessary. A top LT would be nice, but a decent one would suffice for now. One extra second of protection could make all the difference in the world.
The Fitzpatrick deal was made under the assumption that the offense would be secure, and that the defense needed to get back to their former glory. Neither of which happened. So probably a bad deal even if the Steelers do make the playoffs.Ben is getting old, tired, and really no longer has his heart in the game. He has taken more abuse in his career than most would take in two. Even if he does come back next year, his heart wont be in the game. I don't think we'll ever see the same Ben again. It is what it is. That first in 2020 would have been really nice for a prime QB, don't you think?
Fitzpatrick is 22, a former 11th overall draft pick and a tremendous leader. He's also been very good in his first two games. They were never going to draft a qb and left tackles worth first round picks are coming off the board in the first three picks. The Steelers aren't drafting that high. Your Ben comment is also fucking ridiculous. Lol
Fitzpatrick is 22, a former 11th overall draft pick and a tremendous leader. He's also been very good in his first two games. They were never going to draft a qb and left tackles worth first round picks are coming off the board in the first three picks. The Steelers aren't drafting that high. Your Ben comment is also fucking ridiculous. Lol
I think Vag is right here....about Fitzpatrick. Getting Minkah for what you gave up was a good deal. And he is young and should be good going into the future. But, I think the other guy may be right about BR. His days are behind him and the Steelers should do what the Giants did with Eli......let him out to pasture. I would be surprised if he came back as his old self next year. Yinzers went young with Minkah....stay young with Maya.
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You seem like you're being a bit of a homer which is no surprise. Ben has already dropped numerous hints that he's thinking about retirement before missing this entire season to injury. I think, at best, he'll try to make one more run before calling it a day.
This has been addressed ad nauseam for over a year. Ben talked retirement in an effort to force Todd Haley out. It worked, Todd is gone. If Ben wanted to retire why in the hell did he sign the extension that he did? Why did he opt to not have Tommy John? Why didn't he just retire when he went out for the whole season? He went a different route surgery wise so he could be back for the whole season next year. Tommy John would have put him out into next season.
Ben isn't going anywhere and even if he did Rudolph at minimum will be a stop gap but I think he becomes the next one when that time comes.
This has been addressed ad nauseam for over a year. Ben talked retirement in an effort to force Todd Haley out. It worked, Todd is gone. If Ben wanted to retire why in the hell did he sign the extension that he did? Why did he opt to not have Tommy John? Why didn't he just retire when he went out for the whole season? He went a different route surgery wise so he could be back for the whole season next year. Tommy John would have put him out into next season.
Ben isn't going anywhere and even if he did Rudolph at minimum will be a stop gap but I think he becomes the next one when that time comes.
Well...BR is not stupid. He knows that if he retires he does not get paid. Sure, he signed an extension for a lot of money. He wants that money. No one blames him for that. And FYI....it may be possible that his injured elbow is not back well enough to play next year....or he may even be more susceptible to a continuing injury situation...and he would miss all or most of next year anyway. Remains to be seen. He would be 38 next year, and with frayed elbow ligaments. Questionable chances....not impossible, but perhaps not probable. But hang in there for the cash.
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OK, I know that they USED to have their games aired on WTIG in Massillon. Not now though? I wonder why? Well, actually, I suspect I know why....the Bengals sucked and they got no ratings for their games.
Same reason WHIO in Dayton dropped the Browns after 1-15 and 0-16. Advertisers weren't willing to pay money for time on a broadcast if almost no one was listening.....
And I find it unbelievable after 10+ years we have a radio station in Dayton that still broadcasts every Dayton Dragons low Class A baseball games. You probably know I'm no great fan of baseball in general, but who in their right mind wants to listen to some virtually meaningless minor leage ball?
Same reason WHIO in Dayton dropped the Browns after 1-15 and 0-16. Advertisers weren't willing to pay money for time on a broadcast if almost no one was listening.....
And I find it unbelievable after 10+ years we have a radio station in Dayton that still broadcasts every Dayton Dragons low Class A baseball games. You probably know I'm no great fan of baseball in general, but who in their right mind wants to listen to some virtually meaningless minor leage ball?
People from Dayton who like their home town team. We have the Akron Aeros....errr Rubber Ducks broadcast here. (but then they are the Indians AA affiliate. Who are the Dayton team affiliated with?
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Fitzpatrick is 22, a former 11th overall draft pick and a tremendous leader. He's also been very good in his first two games. They were never going to draft a qb and left tackles worth first round picks are coming off the board in the first three picks. The Steelers aren't drafting that high. Your Ben comment is also fucking ridiculous. Lol
I think Vag is right here....about Fitzpatrick. Getting Minkah for what you gave up was a good deal. And he is young and should be good going into the future. But, I think the other guy may be right about BR. His days are behind him and the Steelers should do what the Giants did with Eli......let him out to pasture. I would be surprised if he came back as his old self next year. Yinzers went young with Minkah....stay young with Maya.
I think Vag is right here....about Fitzpatrick. Getting Minkah for what you gave up was a good deal. And he is young and should be good going into the future. But, I think the other guy may be right about BR. His days are behind him and the Steelers should do what the Giants did with Eli......let him out to pasture. I would be surprised if he came back as his old self next year. Yinzers went young with Minkah....stay young with Maya.
Gip, I've never said getting Minka for a first round pick wasn't a good move. For this season, and a big help in the defensive secondary for years to come. Vag must think he's going to be the magic piece that will put the Steelers in the playoffs this year. I tend to disagree.
OTOH- As I did say the Steelers are going to be a stand pat team in 2020, thank you very much. Checking their 2020 draft selections. No first rounder, have their own second, and get this- Vag is thinking Pittsburgh- missing their third round pick, is going to get a comp third back for losing Le'veon Bell. Not so fast my friend- it's complicated, but because a (recently cut) player on another team is part of the way those picks get handed out- they just might lose it.
Oh, they have two picks in both the 4th and 5th rounds. Vag is dreaming they're going to pull another Antonio Brown or two out of those selections, but I wouldn't count on it.
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Same reason WHIO in Dayton dropped the Browns after 1-15 and 0-16. Advertisers weren't willing to pay money for time on a broadcast if almost no one was listening.....
And I find it unbelievable after 10+ years we have a radio station in Dayton that still broadcasts every Dayton Dragons low Class A baseball games. You probably know I'm no great fan of baseball in general, but who in their right mind wants to listen to some virtually meaningless minor leage ball?
People from Dayton who like their home town team. We have the Akron Aeros....errr Rubber Ducks broadcast here. (but then they are the Indians AA affiliate. Who are the Dayton team affiliated with?
People from Dayton who like their home town team. We have the Akron Aeros....errr Rubber Ducks broadcast here. (but then they are the Indians AA affiliate. Who are the Dayton team affiliated with?
Them thar Cincitucky Redlegs...
Oh, they do have several former Dragons of note who made it to the majors.....
Austin Kearns (2000), Adam Dunn (2000), Wily Mo Peña (2001), Edwin Encarnación (2001–02), Joey Votto (2003–04)
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People from Dayton who like their home town team. We have the Akron Aeros....errr Rubber Ducks broadcast here. (but then they are the Indians AA affiliate. Who are the Dayton team affiliated with?
Them thar Cincitucky Redlegs...
Oh, they do have several former Dragons of note who made it to the majors.....
Austin Kearns (2000), Adam Dunn (2000), Wily Mo Peña (2001), Edwin Encarnación (2001–02), Joey Votto (2003–04)
Them thar Cincitucky Redlegs...
Oh, they do have several former Dragons of note who made it to the majors.....
Austin Kearns (2000), Adam Dunn (2000), Wily Mo Peña (2001), Edwin Encarnación (2001–02), Joey Votto (2003–04)
Well....they are entitled to have their games aired. And like with the Akron teams, fans of the big league team have some interest in prospects of the team.
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Blah Blah blah blah and blah. I listen to ESPN Pittsburgh and I hear the shit you Faggot fans call in and say. Just because you don't know any does not mean they don't exist. I am guessing you don't know very many because why else would you be on another team message board? But listen to Steeler fans go nuts after 1 game and celebrate is as bout as dumb as Browns fans thinking the problems are fixed after 1 game. You play the Ratbirds next week, as we play San Fran Sicko take the shit 1 game at a time.
Espn Pittsburgh fucking sucks, just like all espn radio. I do take it one game at a time, I also don't get my steeler news from the mainstream. I'm on this board because I went to college in ohio, all my college friends are diehard Browns fans so I joined this board for more info and improved shit talking. Don't like it? Too fucking bad. They can ban me if they want.
I'm on this board because I went to college in ohio, all my college friends are diehard Browns fans so I joined this board for more info and improved shit talking.
C'mon...
We all know Gipper and you are lovers...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think Vag is right here....about Fitzpatrick. Getting Minkah for what you gave up was a good deal. And he is young and should be good going into the future. But, I think the other guy may be right about BR. His days are behind him and the Steelers should do what the Giants did with Eli......let him out to pasture. I would be surprised if he came back as his old self next year. Yinzers went young with Minkah....stay young with Maya.
Gip, I've never said getting Minka for a first round pick wasn't a good move. For this season, and a big help in the defensive secondary for years to come. Vag must think he's going to be the magic piece that will put the Steelers in the playoffs this year. I tend to disagree.
OTOH- As I did say the Steelers are going to be a stand pat team in 2020, thank you very much. Checking their 2020 draft selections. No first rounder, have their own second, and get this- Vag is thinking Pittsburgh- missing their third round pick, is going to get a comp third back for losing Le'veon Bell. Not so fast my friend- it's complicated, but because a (recently cut) player on another team is part of the way those picks get handed out- they just might lose it.
Oh, they have two picks in both the 4th and 5th rounds. Vag is dreaming they're going to pull another Antonio Brown or two out of those selections, but I wouldn't count on it.
Not so fast my friend- it's complicated, but because a (recently cut) player on another team is part of the way those picks get handed out- they just might lose it.
funny thing about that...that player is LJ Fort XD
since he was cut, his salary (5.1m iirc) is no longer included in the comp pick calc because he was cut prior to week 10. previous, they lost 3 signed 2. since Fort no longer counts, it 2 lost 2 signed. no comp pick. however, all they have to do is cut moncrief before week 10 to restore the 3rd round comp pick.
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Man.... Bengals defense looks bad...
Even at that Rudolph has to check down to the RB every pass.
Hope Wilks lets the blitz run loose on both these teams.
Man.... Bengals defense looks bad...
Even at that Rudolph has to check down to the RB every pass.
Hope Wilks lets the blitz run loose on both these teams.
Just cinci being cinci? http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/story.cfm/story/1983897
0-4 Bengals look awfully familiar in Pittsburgh drubbing
October 1, 2019
By The Associated PressCINCINNATI (AP) Well, that was awfully familiar.
The Bengals went to Pittsburgh and got manhandled Monday night, a sight that had fans recalling all those bad moments in their lopsided Ohio River rivalry. Andy Dalton got sacked a career-high eight times - he barely had time to retreat from center on some plays - and the defense couldn't stop a pared-down passing game in Pittsburgh's 27-3 victory.
For the 0-4 Bengals, it's bad enough that September has come and gone without a win. The way they lost their latest one, however, eliminated any thoughts of an about-face under first year coach Zac Taylor.
''It was just awful overall,'' receiver Tyler Boyd said.
And in the worst possible setting - a prime-time stage.
The Bengals fell to 6-16 in prime-time games since 2011, when Dalton was a rookie, including 2-6 on Monday night. They've now lost nine in a row and 12 of 13 against the Steelers, including that 18-16 playoff meltdown at Paul Brown Stadium that ended their 2015 season - their last one with a winning record.
The sight of Dalton getting swamped in the backfield was reminiscent of David Klingler getting sacked 10 times by the Steelers in 1992. Dalton was 21 of 37 for 171 yards with an interception in the end zone , a fumble on a sack, and 69 yards lost on those eight sacks. For perspective, the Bengals rushed for only 73 yards.
''We've got to figure out who we are,'' Dalton said............. CONTINUED IN LINK...........
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Blah Blah blah blah and blah. I listen to ESPN Pittsburgh and I hear the shit you Faggot fans call in and say. Just because you don't know any does not mean they don't exist. I am guessing you don't know very many because why else would you be on another team message board? But listen to Steeler fans go nuts after 1 game and celebrate is as bout as dumb as Browns fans thinking the problems are fixed after 1 game. You play the Ratbirds next week, as we play San Fran Sicko take the shit 1 game at a time.
Espn Pittsburgh fucking sucks, just like all espn radio. I do take it one game at a time, I also don't get my steeler news from the mainstream. I'm on this board because I went to college in ohio, all my college friends are diehard Browns fans so I joined this board for more info and improved shit talking. Don't like it? Too fucking bad. They can ban me if they want.
Espn Pittsburgh fucking sucks, just like all espn radio. I do take it one game at a time, I also don't get my steeler news from the mainstream. I'm on this board because I went to college in ohio, all my college friends are diehard Browns fans so I joined this board for more info and improved shit talking. Don't like it? Too fucking bad. They can ban me if they want.
I am over 40, I don't like anything or mostly anyone.
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