Browns at 49ers - Official MNF thread
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I don't know why you guys are getting all heated up and bent out of shape. I'm just telling you guys how your team's viewed by the rest of the league. As long as most people alive can remember, the Browns have been non-contenders..the current ones and the ones that moved here. Well, the ones that moved here UNTIL they moved here. Because as we all know, once they moved to Baltimore, it didn't take long for them to become a real team. Then once you guys got your beloved Browns back, the team started where they left off, and had the rest of the league laughing at them again. Since then, what'd you guys have, 2 winning seasons? TWO, in 20 years. And I'm not saying the Ravens don't have their own problems this year...we recognize that we do. But they are correctable problems. Cleveland's problems are that they are just a loser franchise, and that's much harder to correct. One thing is for sure when it comes to the two teams: Baltimore's franchise, the entire organization all the way down to the players, are well respected around the league...the Cleveland Browns are not. Your team is viewed as one big disaster after another. Sorry you fans can't handle that, but it's the truth. And it will take a ton more than one good game to change anybody's opinion of that. I mean, look what they did the very next week, right after a game you guys were riding high on for about 5 minutes...they fuckin lay an egg. I mean, not just got beat, but got their asses handed to them. Mayfield actually lost points in fantasy...I don't know if that's ever happened before. But that is the epitome of the Cleveland Browns. That's what you guys are.
That's what you guys are.
Duh everyone in Ohio and beyond knows that. We have records and computers and all of dem fancy toys to look things up.
Do you have an anything else to share?
Oh and welcome to The BROWNS Board home of lively discussions. mjp
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I don't know why you guys are getting all heated up and bent out of shape. I'm just telling you guys how your team's viewed by the rest of the league. As long as most people alive can remember, the Browns have been non-contenders..the current ones and the ones that moved here. Well, the ones that moved here UNTIL they moved here. Because as we all know, once they moved to Baltimore, it didn't take long for them to become a real team. Then once you guys got your beloved Browns back, the team started where they left off, and had the rest of the league laughing at them again. Since then, what'd you guys have, 2 winning seasons? TWO, in 20 years. And I'm not saying the Ravens don't have their own problems this year...we recognize that we do. But they are correctable problems. Cleveland's problems are that they are just a loser franchise, and that's much harder to correct. One thing is for sure when it comes to the two teams: Baltimore's franchise, the entire organization all the way down to the players, are well respected around the league...the Cleveland Browns are not. Your team is viewed as one big disaster after another. Sorry you fans can't handle that, but it's the truth. And it will take a ton more than one good game to change anybody's opinion of that. I mean, look what they did the very next week, right after a game you guys were riding high on for about 5 minutes...they fuckin lay an egg. I mean, not just got beat, but got their asses handed to them. Mayfield actually lost points in fantasy...I don't know if that's ever happened before. But that is the epitome of the Cleveland Browns. That's what you guys are.
I don't know why you guys are getting all heated up and bent out of shape. I'm just telling you guys how your team's viewed by the rest of the league. One thing is for sure when it comes to the two teams: Baltimore's franchise, the entire organization all the way down to the players, are well respected around the league...the Cleveland Browns are not.
That's what you guys are.
You talk a lot for a fan that just lost the the lowly Browns.
Oh, maybe that’s why your here
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I'm sure you're probably looking for some angry person to yell at you, call you a troll, etc. Heck, I'm confident someone will.
But here's the truth and reality of your world. It's nothing short of pathetic to have to find validation in trolling a team's fan board. People who need to do it, yourself included, are nothing but worthless to society losers who need validation in the form of internet anonymity. The simple truth is that you have little real world value to bring and sadly have to find your worth in such actions as coming here. So much of who you are as a person is around a team you have zero control over.
But hey, keep living the dream my man. Cool post.
Thanks for the compliments, bro. I just like to tell it like it is. I don't mean to kick you all while you're down, but all the build up surrounding the Browns this year drove everyone nuts except your fanbase. Everyone else was just shaking our heads. You played one good game (unfortunately it was against my team), but you still have no other team shaking. Only Browns fans think the Browns can be any good, that's where the reality check comes in. I hate to be the one that has to give you guys the bad news, but someone's got to do it.
I don't mean to kick you all while you're down, but all the build up surrounding the Browns this year drove everyone nuts except your fanbase. Everyone else was just shaking our heads.
Let's see- our team has been absolutely atrocious since 2008, goes 1-31 in a two year span, then goes 7-8-1.
That's the story, and it's a good NFL story. For the first time in a long long time, there is hope here. The national media spotlighted it, it didn't originate from Cleveland.
Quit stirring the pot.
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This is far, far from official, but I think it's important for the "offensive line sucks; crowd. I'm watching the replays now, here's what I see:
1) Baker INT at 13:12, Q1-Roughly 4 seconds to pressure (with a TE blocking, no less). 4 man pressure.
2) Baker SACK at 11:12, Q1- About 3 seconds to pressure on a blitz look. RB was blown up and collapsed pocket.
3) Baker LOST FUMBLE at 3:34, Q1- Easily 5+ seconds of protection, 4 man pressure. Slight collapse of outside pocket from Bosa, but not 'unclean pocket'. Easily could have stepped up instead of out, causing the fumble.
4) Baker INT at 4:55, Q2- Mostly on Callaway, 90% on the WR there. Obviously you want a cleaner ball, but that should be a TD-no excuses.
5) Backer SACK at 1:40, Q2-Less than 3 second to pressure, small blitz look but Bosa blew play up, no doubt.
6) Baker SACK at 0:05 seconds-Maybe 3.5 seconds to pressure, but an easy "navigate" to safety by #6. Baker again moving backward instead of moving up in the pocket. Bosa is double teamed, but comes back for sack.
7) Baker SACK/Fumble at 12:05, Q4-Between 3.5 and 4 seconds to pressure, but Bosa definitely beat Robinson.
The two I highlighted is where I'm firmly in the offensive line group, italics is more on the QB. My verdict? The line played fine given their Dline is literally at 1st round talent players. They can improve drastically, but of the negative plays Baker, scheme or Callaway was directly responsible compared to the line. It really affirms to me that scheme/Mayfield are more the culprit than our line group.
This is far, far from official, but I think it's important for the "offensive line sucks; crowd. I'm watching the replays now, here's what I see:
1) Baker INT at 13:12, Q1-Roughly 4 seconds to pressure (with a TE blocking, no less). 4 man pressure.
2) Baker SACK at 11:12, Q1- About 3 seconds to pressure on a blitz look. RB was blown up and collapsed pocket.
3) Baker LOST FUMBLE at 3:34, Q1- Easily 5+ seconds of protection, 4 man pressure. Slight collapse of outside pocket from Bosa, but not 'unclean pocket'. Easily could have stepped up instead of out, causing the fumble.
4) Baker INT at 4:55, Q2- Mostly on Callaway, 90% on the WR there. Obviously you want a cleaner ball, but that should be a TD-no excuses.
5) Backer SACK at 1:40, Q2-Less than 3 second to pressure, small blitz look but Bosa blew play up, no doubt.
6) Baker SACK at 0:05 seconds-Maybe 3.5 seconds to pressure, but an easy "navigate" to safety by #6. Baker again moving backward instead of moving up in the pocket. Bosa is double teamed, but comes back for sack.
7) Baker SACK/Fumble at 12:05, Q4-Between 3.5 and 4 seconds to pressure, but Bosa definitely beat Robinson.
The two I highlighted is where I'm firmly in the offensive line group, italics is more on the QB. My verdict? The line played fine given their Dline is literally at 1st round talent players. They can improve drastically, but of the negative plays Baker, scheme or Callaway was directly responsible compared to the line. It really affirms to me that scheme/Mayfield are more the culprit than our line group.
This past week as well as on the season Baker had/has the the second highest average time to throw (snap to pass). The problem is not the offensive line. According to next gen stats. Just giving you more info to back up what your rewatching told you.
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This ravens guy is a loser lol
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i havnt yet but damn close
Do it, get some sleep. I'm just so pissed that I looked forward to this crap so much and we didn't even get 5 minutes of cheering in. And those wins we think we're getting in the 2nd half of the season? Yeah right. Baker is in serious trouble and if he has multiple games like this it's going to get ugly.
Do it, get some sleep. I'm just so pissed that I looked forward to this crap so much and we didn't even get 5 minutes of cheering in. And those wins we think we're getting in the 2nd half of the season? Yeah right. Baker is in serious trouble and if he has multiple games like this it's going to get ugly.
I did not hung over for once
Damn on both side of the line of scrimmage we were getting pushed around Baker only had time for one read which of course he stared down But calloway should have caught that ball not sure if scoring that td could have changed momentum but at least i could have raised my beer
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Fuck the rat bird trolls, fuck the dirty miners and for sure fuck jet lag. And for those so called fans of other teams, eat shit
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This ravens guy is a loser lol
This ravens guy is a loser lol
Fuck the rat bird trolls, fuck the dirty miners and for sure fuck jet lag. And for those so called fans of other teams, eat shit
Bitter shit-Brown fans...Just puts a smile on my face
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Not bitter. Your extremely bitter about the loss to the Browns which is why your back here still lol
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Not bitter. Your extremely bitter about the loss to the Browns which is why your back here still lol
Not bitter. Your extremely bitter about the loss to the Browns which is why your back here still lol
You could add not very bright. Dumb and bitter...... plus shit for brains. Must be from bloitmore
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Meh.
Second youngest team in the NFL making mistakes and turning the ball over to many times.... (I still can’t believe that Calloway turn of events...)
Get on the plane and start in the film room tomorrow.
To many games left to start whining already.
Meh.
Second youngest team in the NFL making mistakes and turning the ball over to many times.... (I still can’t believe that Calloway turn of events...)
Get on the plane and start in the film room tomorrow.
To many games left to start whining already.
calloway is troubling....last yr he made some nice catches, but he also dropped passes that had td written all over it.......should have caught that one from mayfield even though it was not a good pass at all, but still catchable....could have turned the game around...maybe.......mayfield looks like shit so far...of course the ol is even worse....if i am seattle, i run the ball against a creampuff dl and lb's....on offense, i force mayfield out of the pocket and make him scramble to his right side....he will either get sacked, throw an int, or throw it away....if seattle can do that, they will clobber the clowns...
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Not bitter. Your extremely bitter about the loss to the Browns which is why your back here still lol
Not bitter. Your extremely bitter about the loss to the Browns which is why your back here still lol
I believe it was Ag (possibly Gunz) who said it best- and the analogy is perfect. It's exactly the same as an Auburn fan (after they lost to them) laughing at Alabama because they lost to Clemson.
It's a new week, the Browns can burn the tape of that debacle. 5 down 11 to go, the season isn't over because of a bad loss.
FWIW, this Moderator is losing patience with our new found troll. Nothing will get you shown the door faster than pulling the old- we're great, you suck gambit. I might keep him around for kicks and giggles after his Ratbirds get blown out by the Patriots.
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Meh.
Second youngest team in the NFL making mistakes and turning the ball over to many times.... (I still can’t believe that Calloway turn of events...)
Get on the plane and start in the film room tomorrow.
To many games left to start whining already.
calloway is troubling....last yr he made some nice catches, but he also dropped passes that had td written all over it.......should have caught that one from mayfield even though it was not a good pass at all, but still catchable....could have turned the game around...maybe.......mayfield looks like shit so far...of course the ol is even worse....if i am seattle, i run the ball against a creampuff dl and lb's....on offense, i force mayfield out of the pocket and make him scramble to his right side....he will either get sacked, throw an int, or throw it away....if seattle can do that, they will clobber the clowns...
calloway is troubling....last yr he made some nice catches, but he also dropped passes that had td written all over it.......should have caught that one from mayfield even though it was not a good pass at all, but still catchable....could have turned the game around...maybe.......mayfield looks like shit so far...of course the ol is even worse....if i am seattle, i run the ball against a creampuff dl and lb's....on offense, i force mayfield out of the pocket and make him scramble to his right side....he will either get sacked, throw an int, or throw it away....if seattle can do that, they will clobber the clowns...
If, and a big IF Calloway makes that catch and rolls into the end zone instead of giving up an interception, it's 14-10 at halftime not 21-3. Not saying we could have won, but it changed the entire complexion of the game. Football 101 says when the other team has you down by three scores they're going to ignore your running game, send the house- and make life hell for your quarterback.
And as they pointed out on Red Zone tonight- the 49ers front four are so good, they can just rush 4, and keep 7 back to defend passes.
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calloway is troubling....last yr he made some nice catches, but he also dropped passes that had td written all over it.......should have caught that one from mayfield even though it was not a good pass at all, but still catchable....could have turned the game around...maybe.......mayfield looks like shit so far...of course the ol is even worse....if i am seattle, i run the ball against a creampuff dl and lb's....on offense, i force mayfield out of the pocket and make him scramble to his right side....he will either get sacked, throw an int, or throw it away....if seattle can do that, they will clobber the clowns...
If, and a big IF Calloway makes that catch and rolls into the end zone instead of giving up an interception, it's 14-10 at halftime not 21-3. Not saying we could have won, but it changed the entire complexion of the game. Football 101 says when the other team has you down by three scores they're going to ignore your running game, send the house- and make life hell for your quarterback.
And as they pointed out on Red Zone tonight- the 49ers front four are so good, they can just rush 4, and keep 7 back to defend passes.
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Do it, get some sleep. I'm just so pissed that I looked forward to this crap so much and we didn't even get 5 minutes of cheering in. And those wins we think we're getting in the 2nd half of the season? Yeah right. Baker is in serious trouble and if he has multiple games like this it's going to get ugly.
I did not hung over for once
Damn on both side of the line of scrimmage we were getting pushed around Baker only had time for one read which of course he stared down But calloway should have caught that ball not sure if scoring that td could have changed momentum but at least i could have raised my beer
Baker only had time for one read which of course he stared down
So every quarterback in the league this week only had time for one read. On average baker had the 2nd highest snap to pass (sack) time this week and on the season (i dont count Fitzpatrick who has him by a tenth of a second because he's only played 2 games). Reference next gen stats.
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This is far, far from official, but I think it's important for the "offensive line sucks; crowd. I'm watching the replays now, here's what I see:
1) Baker INT at 13:12, Q1-Roughly 4 seconds to pressure (with a TE blocking, no less). 4 man pressure.
2) Baker SACK at 11:12, Q1- About 3 seconds to pressure on a blitz look. RB was blown up and collapsed pocket.
3) Baker LOST FUMBLE at 3:34, Q1- Easily 5+ seconds of protection, 4 man pressure. Slight collapse of outside pocket from Bosa, but not 'unclean pocket'. Easily could have stepped up instead of out, causing the fumble.
4) Baker INT at 4:55, Q2- Mostly on Callaway, 90% on the WR there. Obviously you want a cleaner ball, but that should be a TD-no excuses.
5) Backer SACK at 1:40, Q2-Less than 3 second to pressure, small blitz look but Bosa blew play up, no doubt.
6) Baker SACK at 0:05 seconds-Maybe 3.5 seconds to pressure, but an easy "navigate" to safety by #6. Baker again moving backward instead of moving up in the pocket. Bosa is double teamed, but comes back for sack.
7) Baker SACK/Fumble at 12:05, Q4-Between 3.5 and 4 seconds to pressure, but Bosa definitely beat Robinson.
The two I highlighted is where I'm firmly in the offensive line group, italics is more on the QB. My verdict? The line played fine given their Dline is literally at 1st round talent players. They can improve drastically, but of the negative plays Baker, scheme or Callaway was directly responsible compared to the line. It really affirms to me that scheme/Mayfield are more the culprit than our line group.
This past week as well as on the season Baker had/has the the second highest average time to throw (snap to pass). The problem is not the offensive line. According to next gen stats. Just giving you more info to back up what your rewatching told you.
This past week as well as on the season Baker had/has the the second highest average time to throw (snap to pass). The problem is not the offensive line. According to next gen stats. Just giving you more info to back up what your rewatching told you.
Just curious (and not in a calling you out way)-do you have an article on that? I'd be really curious to read into it a bit.
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This past week as well as on the season Baker had/has the the second highest average time to throw (snap to pass). The problem is not the offensive line. According to next gen stats. Just giving you more info to back up what your rewatching told you.
Just curious (and not in a calling you out way)-do you have an article on that? I'd be really curious to read into it a bit.
Just curious (and not in a calling you out way)-do you have an article on that? I'd be really curious to read into it a bit.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/5
No article just literally a stat thing that updates every week. You can look at each week or regular season as a whole.
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Baker only had time for one read which of course he stared down
So every quarterback in the league this week only had time for one read. On average baker had the 2nd highest snap to pass (sack) time this week and on the season (i dont count Fitzpatrick who has him by a tenth of a second because he's only played 2 games). Reference next gen stats.
So every quarterback in the league this week only had time for one read. On average baker had the 2nd highest snap to pass (sack) time this week and on the season (i dont count Fitzpatrick who has him by a tenth of a second because he's only played 2 games). Reference next gen stats.
baker has been awful all year getting threw his reads not just last week when he had bosa up his ass all day maybe willie was right about zampese at least as a qb coach
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Mayfield doesn’t seem comfortable due to the fact the some of these opposing pass rushers are the BEST in the game and our O-Line just is not up to that level.
Play calling ideally would be run heavy with PA, screen heavy, and take some notes from Shanahan with the reverses and end arounds to counter the aggressive pass rushers. A fullback would be great. Hell stick P Brown back there. Already did it once.
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¿Qué?
Asleep at the switch?
Another week Nero does not start the "Official" game thread...
... another loss.
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