Browns at 49ers - Official MNF thread
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This is far, far from official, but I think it's important for the "offensive line sucks; crowd. I'm watching the replays now, here's what I see:
1) Baker INT at 13:12, Q1-Roughly 4 seconds to pressure (with a TE blocking, no less). 4 man pressure.
2) Baker SACK at 11:12, Q1- About 3 seconds to pressure on a blitz look. RB was blown up and collapsed pocket.
3) Baker LOST FUMBLE at 3:34, Q1- Easily 5+ seconds of protection, 4 man pressure. Slight collapse of outside pocket from Bosa, but not 'unclean pocket'. Easily could have stepped up instead of out, causing the fumble.
4) Baker INT at 4:55, Q2- Mostly on Callaway, 90% on the WR there. Obviously you want a cleaner ball, but that should be a TD-no excuses.
5) Backer SACK at 1:40, Q2-Less than 3 second to pressure, small blitz look but Bosa blew play up, no doubt.
6) Baker SACK at 0:05 seconds-Maybe 3.5 seconds to pressure, but an easy "navigate" to safety by #6. Baker again moving backward instead of moving up in the pocket. Bosa is double teamed, but comes back for sack.
7) Baker SACK/Fumble at 12:05, Q4-Between 3.5 and 4 seconds to pressure, but Bosa definitely beat Robinson.
The two I highlighted is where I'm firmly in the offensive line group, italics is more on the QB. My verdict? The line played fine given their Dline is literally at 1st round talent players. They can improve drastically, but of the negative plays Baker, scheme or Callaway was directly responsible compared to the line. It really affirms to me that scheme/Mayfield are more the culprit than our line group.
This past week as well as on the season Baker had/has the the second highest average time to throw (snap to pass). The problem is not the offensive line. According to next gen stats. Just giving you more info to back up what your rewatching told you.
This past week as well as on the season Baker had/has the the second highest average time to throw (snap to pass). The problem is not the offensive line. According to next gen stats. Just giving you more info to back up what your rewatching told you.
Just curious (and not in a calling you out way)-do you have an article on that? I'd be really curious to read into it a bit.
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This past week as well as on the season Baker had/has the the second highest average time to throw (snap to pass). The problem is not the offensive line. According to next gen stats. Just giving you more info to back up what your rewatching told you.
Just curious (and not in a calling you out way)-do you have an article on that? I'd be really curious to read into it a bit.
Just curious (and not in a calling you out way)-do you have an article on that? I'd be really curious to read into it a bit.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/5
No article just literally a stat thing that updates every week. You can look at each week or regular season as a whole.
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Baker only had time for one read which of course he stared down
So every quarterback in the league this week only had time for one read. On average baker had the 2nd highest snap to pass (sack) time this week and on the season (i dont count Fitzpatrick who has him by a tenth of a second because he's only played 2 games). Reference next gen stats.
So every quarterback in the league this week only had time for one read. On average baker had the 2nd highest snap to pass (sack) time this week and on the season (i dont count Fitzpatrick who has him by a tenth of a second because he's only played 2 games). Reference next gen stats.
baker has been awful all year getting threw his reads not just last week when he had bosa up his ass all day maybe willie was right about zampese at least as a qb coach
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Mayfield doesn’t seem comfortable due to the fact the some of these opposing pass rushers are the BEST in the game and our O-Line just is not up to that level.
Play calling ideally would be run heavy with PA, screen heavy, and take some notes from Shanahan with the reverses and end arounds to counter the aggressive pass rushers. A fullback would be great. Hell stick P Brown back there. Already did it once.
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¿Qué?
Asleep at the switch?
Another week Nero does not start the "Official" game thread...
... another loss.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Asleep at the switch?
Once again, this thread was started around Saturday 11pm Central Europe time, (5pm ET SATURDAY**) 7 hours before the Gameday thread dueling ettiquette says.
**EDIT: It was Sunday. It wasn't Monday even in Europe.
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Once again, this thread was started around Saturday 11pm Central Europe time, (5pm ET SATURDAY) 7 hours before the Gameday thread dueling ettiquette says.
Read "The Art of the Duel" by ?. You turn around at step 5 and shoot them in the back.?
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Once again, this thread was started around Saturday 11pm Central Europe time, (5pm ET SATURDAY) 7 hours before the Gameday thread dueling ettiquette says.
Forget etiquette man, you're our only hope! ?
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Once again, this thread was started around Saturday 11pm Central Europe time, (5pm ET SATURDAY) 7 hours before the Gameday thread dueling ettiquette says.
This was made on Sunday during the 1p.m est games
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This was made on Sunday during the 1p.m est games
Still more than 24 hours before kickoff. Ethics violation #32.??
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This was made on Sunday during the 1p.m est games
Sorry. Yes. Sunday
Not Monday.
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Forget etiquette man, you're our only hope! ?
I think it's never too soon to start the "Official" Seahawks thread. Now would be just fine. Start the "official" Patriots thread while we're at it too.
Heck I could even get underhanded and block our bot for the next couple weeks......
Speaking of our only hope, I saw the trailers for Star Wars #9 today for the first time, and can't hardly wait until December.....
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Forget etiquette man, you're our only hope! ?
I think it's never too soon to start the "Official" Seahawks thread. Now would be just fine. Start the "official" Patriots thread while we're at it too.
Heck I could even get underhanded and block our bot for the next couple weeks......
Speaking of our only hope, I saw the trailers for Star Wars #9 today for the first time, and can't hardly wait until December.....
Speaking of our only hope, I saw the trailers for Star Wars #9 today for the first time, and can't hardly wait until December.....
Thhhhhhhhhhhhh! I gave up on that shit as soon as the little care bears showed up in the 3rd movie. Rather watch Barbara Eden in Dream of Jeanie reruns. ?
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Thhhhhhhhhhhhh! I gave up on that shit as soon as the little care bears showed up in the 3rd movie. Rather watch Barbara Eden in Dream of Jeanie reruns. ?
What? Then you missed out on Jar-Jar Binks in the next one.
Even us fans of the franchise thought that character was monumentally dumb.
Supposedly, this movie will tie up all the lose ends. Carrie Fisher's daughter is filling in for her dead mom in a Princess Leiah flashback. Still plenty of opportunity for Disney to rake in billions going off on tangents though.
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Thhhhhhhhhhhhh! I gave up on that shit as soon as the little care bears showed up in the 3rd movie. Rather watch Barbara Eden in Dream of Jeanie reruns. ?
What? Then you missed out on Jar-Jar Binks in the next one.
Even us fans of the franchise thought that character was monumentally dumb.
Supposedly, this movie will tie up all the lose ends. Carrie Fisher's daughter is filling in for her dead mom in a Princess Leiah flashback. Still plenty of opportunity for Disney to rake in billions going off on tangents though.
What? Then you missed out on Jar-Jar Binks in the next one.
Even us fans of the franchise thought that character was monumentally dumb.
Supposedly, this movie will tie up all the lose ends. Carrie Fisher's daughter is filling in for her dead mom in a Princess Leiah flashback. Still plenty of opportunity for Disney to rake in billions going off on tangents though.
I had seen the previews and that Jar-Jar confirmed for me I need not see that one or any other from then on. First time with the care bears - shame on you. Second time for me to go see Jar-Jar, shame on me. I declined and have ever since. Shame on those money grubbers. ?
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Thhhhhhhhhhhhh! I gave up on that shit as soon as the little care bears showed up in the 3rd movie. Rather watch Barbara Eden in Dream of Jeanie reruns. ?
What? Then you missed out on Jar-Jar Binks in the next one.
Even us fans of the franchise thought that character was monumentally dumb.
Supposedly, this movie will tie up all the lose ends. Carrie Fisher's daughter is filling in for her dead mom in a Princess Leiah flashback. Still plenty of opportunity for Disney to rake in billions going off on tangents though.
What? Then you missed out on Jar-Jar Binks in the next one.
Even us fans of the franchise thought that character was monumentally dumb.
Supposedly, this movie will tie up all the lose ends. Carrie Fisher's daughter is filling in for her dead mom in a Princess Leiah flashback. Still plenty of opportunity for Disney to rake in billions going off on tangents though.
I’m actually kinda intrigued for the release of the Disney streaming service. It’s supposed to be quite affordable and all the Star Wars/Marvel/Disney content you can handle and Simpsons episodes too.
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Pretty easy to figure out the Browns
1. Baker has trouble against zone defense
2. The oline is garbage
3. The defense is fast and is over pursuing everything
4. Our coaching is sub-par
But, hey, we have a great punter
Seibert and Gillan are the two best players on this team so far
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I don't know why you guys are getting all heated up and bent out of shape. I'm just telling you guys how your team's viewed by the rest of the league. As long as most people alive can remember, the Browns have been non-contenders..the current ones and the ones that moved here. Well, the ones that moved here UNTIL they moved here. Because as we all know, once they moved to Baltimore, it didn't take long for them to become a real team. Then once you guys got your beloved Browns back, the team started where they left off, and had the rest of the league laughing at them again. Since then, what'd you guys have, 2 winning seasons? TWO, in 20 years. And I'm not saying the Ravens don't have their own problems this year...we recognize that we do. But they are correctable problems. Cleveland's problems are that they are just a loser franchise, and that's much harder to correct. One thing is for sure when it comes to the two teams: Baltimore's franchise, the entire organization all the way down to the players, are well respected around the league...the Cleveland Browns are not. Your team is viewed as one big disaster after another. Sorry you fans can't handle that, but it's the truth. And it will take a ton more than one good game to change anybody's opinion of that. I mean, look what they did the very next week, right after a game you guys were riding high on for about 5 minutes...they fuckin lay an egg. I mean, not just got beat, but got their asses handed to them. Mayfield actually lost points in fantasy...I don't know if that's ever happened before. But that is the epitome of the Cleveland Browns. That's what you guys are.
I don't know why you guys are getting all heated up and bent out of shape. I'm just telling you guys how your team's viewed by the rest of the league. As long as most people alive can remember, the Browns have been non-contenders..the current ones and the ones that moved here. Well, the ones that moved here UNTIL they moved here.
Cleveland's problems are that they are just a loser franchise, and that's much harder to correct. One thing is for sure when it comes to the two teams: Baltimore's franchise, the entire organization all the way down to the players, are well respected around the league...the Cleveland Browns are not.
Once upon a time, I felt really bad for the city/loyal fan base of Baltimore when they lost the Colts to Indy. I thought the owner was an epic scum bag to do that to you guys. When the very next owner wired exactly like Irsay does the same thing moving his franchise from Cleveland to Baltimore - he's your hero?
BTW, the Browns were 11-5 and beat the NE Patriots in a Wild Card Game just 1 season before Modell sold his soul. Modell being Modell, didn't think Belichick was a good enough Head Coach to keep. Just out of curiosity, what NFL Head Coach has the best record and most Superbowl Championships in the last 20 years? I'll give you a hint: he's not coaching in Baltimore...
In their first 10 years of existence, the Cleveland Browns participated in every Pro Football Championship Game possible (winning 7 Pro Football Championships with 3 of those in the NFL). The Cleveland Browns only won 1 NFL Championship when Modell was here which increased their overall sum of Pro Football Championship Trophies to 8 up against 2 Superbowl Trophies for the Baltimore Ravens. What storied franchise would you rather be? I'll take the 8 Pro Football Championships...
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