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    jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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    QB School on YouTube did an excellent breakdown on Baker's troubles. Pretty much put most of the blame on Kitchens and poor offensive scheming:

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      Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by Canton Mike
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      I am still considering starting Baker in my FL tomorrow. 2 reasons:

      1) Higgins....If he plays, HUGE difference in all WR production. If he doesn't, I may play Goff or Stafford.

      2) Baker....I still believe in the kid & refuse to give up on him although Higgins presence on field will impact my decision.

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        I am still considering starting Baker in my FL tomorrow. 2 reasons:

        1) Higgins....If he plays, HUGE difference in all WR production. If he doesn't, I may play Goff or Stafford.

        2) Baker....I still believe in the kid & refuse to give up on him although Higgins presence on field will impact my decision.

        Mike

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        @canton-mike said:

        I am still considering starting Baker in my FL tomorrow. 2 reasons:

        1) Higgins....If he plays, HUGE difference in all WR production. If he doesn't, I may play Goff or Stafford.

        2) Baker....I still believe in the kid & refuse to give up on him although Higgins presence on field will impact my decision.

        Mike

        I would not start Baker until you see signs of an overall "fix" to the way they are running the offense. So far there are no signs of it. But then again the other two have difficult games, one with SF's front 4 and the other @ GB. Tough decision Mike. Got a 3 sided coin?

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          @canton-mike said:

          I am still considering starting Baker in my FL tomorrow. 2 reasons:

          1) Higgins....If he plays, HUGE difference in all WR production. If he doesn't, I may play Goff or Stafford.

          2) Baker....I still believe in the kid & refuse to give up on him although Higgins presence on field will impact my decision.

          Mike

          I would not start Baker until you see signs of an overall "fix" to the way they are running the offense. So far there are no signs of it. But then again the other two have difficult games, one with SF's front 4 and the other @ GB. Tough decision Mike. Got a 3 sided coin?

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          Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
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          @texasag1969 said:

          I would not start Baker until you see signs of an overall "fix" to the way they are running the offense. So far there are no signs of it. But then again the other two have difficult games, one with SF's front 4 and the other @ GB. Tough decision Mike. Got a 3 sided coin?

          Bill,

          The fact they all have tough games is what drives me to start my Browns' guy, but if Higgins is inactive, that may sway me to one of the others. I guess I'll know tomorrow am.

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            @texasag1969 said:

            I would not start Baker until you see signs of an overall "fix" to the way they are running the offense. So far there are no signs of it. But then again the other two have difficult games, one with SF's front 4 and the other @ GB. Tough decision Mike. Got a 3 sided coin?

            Bill,

            The fact they all have tough games is what drives me to start my Browns' guy, but if Higgins is inactive, that may sway me to one of the others. I guess I'll know tomorrow am.

            Mike

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            @canton-mike said:

            Bill,

            The fact they all have tough games is what drives me to start my Browns' guy, but if Higgins is inactive, that may sway me to one of the others. I guess I'll know tomorrow am.

            Mike

            I have an equally tough choice with Rivers coming off one of his worst career games ever and Bridgewater (Brees stand-in) coming off his best game ever having to go over to Jax this week. But since Rivers is at home against a QB depleted Pitt, I'll stick with him most likely.  At least I started with max points plus a defensive TD out of the NE D already.

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              gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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              Here's just a opinion on why am thinking Bake gets on track this week...

              1) Dandy f'n Dolton= Sea-418 yards* 2 Td's..Rudolph=Sea-12 of 19-2 Tds...Twatwater=Sea.-19 of 27-2 Td's..Kyler Murray=Sea.-22 of 32-241 yards..Goff=Sea-29 of 49=395 yards* 1 td.. 

              2) Sea. has been stout against the run in all 5 games played..Am talking like 34 yards to Cinn..And holding Rams/Pitt/ Saints? all gaining only 80-89 total rushing yards.. Chubb will need to bang hard in this one..Hawks bang anything that moves..   

              Here's a few things that jump out at me on tape..

              A.) Not sure if Bake is having a play call duel with Freddie? Freddie gets 15 seconds in Bakes helmet. Bake flips his wrist band open for line sight check out plays.. Could be as simple as Bake "Stop over thinking it"

              B.) Titans & 49'er may have the largest wingspan munsters up front (Bills another) that we can't handle with a hodgepodge OL and a barely 6 ft. QB. Add Bake trying to fake pump a window open? adds to holding the ball to long & bails out of crushing pockets..

              C.) These rushing munster fronts are allowing 6-7 to cover..the math is easy to see this with 3 WR's now running fire drill routes to Bakes strong side..Right?

              D.) OBJ & Landry should not be seen 20 yards down field running routes 5 yards apart.. oh but they are..

              In Ending, Am not* telling any of you's nothing you have not already seen for yourselves..But with Callaway now in his right spot & a hopeful Holly_wood Higgy sightings... I got Bake toasting the Hawks for over 300 yards & 2 TD's. Add a Chubb score...and Shucks, how bout this Kicker winning us a Game with some defense? .. Scoreboard- Good guys-27 Hawks fly back home with 20.. 

              Bake.. just as pre-draft..Have that sit down again with Russ sometime this week..Topic: playing behind a questionable OL?..It really can't hurt even at your speed 😉  

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                @canton-mike said:

                I am still considering starting Baker in my FL tomorrow. 2 reasons:

                1) Higgins....If he plays, HUGE difference in all WR production. If he doesn't, I may play Goff or Stafford.

                2) Baker....I still believe in the kid & refuse to give up on him although Higgins presence on field will impact my decision.

                Mike

                I would not start Baker until you see signs of an overall "fix" to the way they are running the offense. So far there are no signs of it. But then again the other two have difficult games, one with SF's front 4 and the other @ GB. Tough decision Mike. Got a 3 sided coin?

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                jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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                @texasag1969 said:

                I would not start Baker until you see signs of an overall "fix" to the way they are running the offense. So far there are no signs of it. But then again the other two have difficult games, one with SF's front 4 and the other @ GB. Tough decision Mike. Got a 3 sided coin?

                I can't start Baker until we see improvement, but the primary reason I wouldn't start him is his lack of production in the red zone. He's literally made the wrong guess on 90% (made that up) of his red zone reads. I said "guesses" because we all see him predetermining where to throw it. When you add in the fact he's not making ANY TD throws over 20 yards, you're getting the unenviable combination of no red zone production OR deep play touchdowns. Hard pass. 

                Can this this change? Hell yes. But I have to see it, and I'm betting it will coincide with Kareem Hunt returning. 

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                  QB School on YouTube did an excellent breakdown on Baker's troubles. Pretty much put most of the blame on Kitchens and poor offensive scheming:

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                  @jbluhm86 said:

                  QB School on YouTube did an excellent breakdown on Baker's troubles. Pretty much put most of the blame on Kitchens and poor offensive scheming:

                  What I  took  away  from that  film  session was Baker too often  was looking for the  home run, plenty of  times  he had  Landry  wide open  for a  dump  off pass. 

                  And when  he forced  the end zone  throw  into  coverage, OBJ was wide open. 🙁

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                    @texasag1969 said:

                    I would not start Baker until you see signs of an overall "fix" to the way they are running the offense. So far there are no signs of it. But then again the other two have difficult games, one with SF's front 4 and the other @ GB. Tough decision Mike. Got a 3 sided coin?

                    I can't start Baker until we see improvement, but the primary reason I wouldn't start him is his lack of production in the red zone. He's literally made the wrong guess on 90% (made that up) of his red zone reads. I said "guesses" because we all see him predetermining where to throw it. When you add in the fact he's not making ANY TD throws over 20 yards, you're getting the unenviable combination of no red zone production OR deep play touchdowns. Hard pass. 

                    Can this this change? Hell yes. But I have to see it, and I'm betting it will coincide with Kareem Hunt returning. 

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                    @jiggins7919 said:

                    I can't start Baker until we see improvement, but the primary reason I wouldn't start him is his lack of production in the red zone. He's literally made the wrong guess on 90% (made that up) of his red zone reads. I said "guesses" because we all see him predetermining where to throw it. When you add in the fact he's not making ANY TD throws over 20 yards, you're getting the unenviable combination of no red zone production OR deep play touchdowns. Hard pass. 

                    Can this this change? Hell yes. But I have to see it, and I'm betting it will coincide with Kareem Hunt returning. 

                    Totally agree. Hunt is a red zone dragon and PA off him will work very well. I like Chubb as the workhorse a lot, but Hunt is just a special kind of player inside the 10.

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      I would not start Baker until you see signs of an overall "fix" to the way they are running the offense. So far there are no signs of it. But then again the other two have difficult games, one with SF's front 4 and the other @ GB. Tough decision Mike. Got a 3 sided coin?

                      I can't start Baker until we see improvement, but the primary reason I wouldn't start him is his lack of production in the red zone. He's literally made the wrong guess on 90% (made that up) of his red zone reads. I said "guesses" because we all see him predetermining where to throw it. When you add in the fact he's not making ANY TD throws over 20 yards, you're getting the unenviable combination of no red zone production OR deep play touchdowns. Hard pass. 

                      Can this this change? Hell yes. But I have to see it, and I'm betting it will coincide with Kareem Hunt returning. 

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                      @jiggins7919 said:

                      I can't start Baker until we see improvement, but the primary reason I wouldn't start him is his lack of production in the red zone. He's literally made the wrong guess on 90% (made that up) of his red zone reads. I said "guesses" because we all see him predetermining where to throw it. When you add in the fact he's not making ANY TD throws over 20 yards, you're getting the unenviable combination of no red zone production OR deep play touchdowns. Hard pass. 

                      Can this this change? Hell yes. But I have to see it, and I'm betting it will coincide with Kareem Hunt returning. 

                      Also agree plus I don't know how he can predetermine to throw to frikking stone hands Demetrius Harris. I'll keep on repeating it, replacing Darren Fells and Orson Charles with Harris and Brown was another big mistake by Dorsey especially after he weakened the Oline by trading Zeitler.

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                        I can't start Baker until we see improvement, but the primary reason I wouldn't start him is his lack of production in the red zone. He's literally made the wrong guess on 90% (made that up) of his red zone reads. I said "guesses" because we all see him predetermining where to throw it. When you add in the fact he's not making ANY TD throws over 20 yards, you're getting the unenviable combination of no red zone production OR deep play touchdowns. Hard pass. 

                        Can this this change? Hell yes. But I have to see it, and I'm betting it will coincide with Kareem Hunt returning. 

                        Also agree plus I don't know how he can predetermine to throw to frikking stone hands Demetrius Harris. I'll keep on repeating it, replacing Darren Fells and Orson Charles with Harris and Brown was another big mistake by Dorsey especially after he weakened the Oline by trading Zeitler.

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                        Also agree plus I don't know how he can predetermine to throw to frikking stone hands Demetrius Harris. I'll keep on repeating it, replacing Darren Fells and Orson Charles with Harris and Brown was another big mistake by Dorsey especially after he weakened the Oline by trading Zeitler.

                        This. ALL of this! And don't forget that he also targeted Pharaoh Brown once, Calloway twice, and did I mention Demetrius Harris?! Also, he totally guessed against the Ravens off an RPO, but the pass was batted down at the line by a DL. Had it not been, it was a pick-6 because a Raven was waiting for it. 

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                          Agree. It's the crappy offensive scheming. Those who blame this on the loss of Zeitler, check out how his new team is doing from a QB pressure point of view. Daniel Jones is maybe the only other QB who's been under more pressure than Mayfield.

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                            CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on last edited by
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                            Callaway is returning back to the X position which is natural position, where he took his preseason and practice reps. Higgins being in the Z. 

                            Things will hopefully be somewhat back to the norm.

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                              For the umpteenth time...more play action...less shotgun

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                                For the umpteenth time...more play action...less shotgun

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                                For the umpteenth time...more play action...less shotgun

                                Now watch they will come out in the shotgun on the first series of the game.

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                                  Agree. It's the crappy offensive scheming. Those who blame this on the loss of Zeitler, check out how his new team is doing from a QB pressure point of view. Daniel Jones is maybe the only other QB who's been under more pressure than Mayfield.

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                                  @hish747 said:

                                  Agree. It's the crappy offensive scheming. Those who blame this on the loss of Zeitler, check out how his new team is doing from a QB pressure point of view. Daniel Jones is maybe the only other QB who's been under more pressure than Mayfield.

                                  Daniel Jones will be under a lot of pressure because that's the easiest way to defend a rookie QB. I don't have the stats with me but how many times has he been pressured with just 4 and sacked by a two man rush like we were last week?

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                                    coaching

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                                      He's not as good as many thought

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                                        I think it’s 75% Freddie and 15% Baker trying to do too much and 10% supporting cast (line and WRs) 

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                                          He's not as good as many thought

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                                          @baconhound said:

                                          He's not as good as many thought

                                          You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

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