So whats wrong with Baker?
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QB School on YouTube did an excellent breakdown on Baker's troubles. Pretty much put most of the blame on Kitchens and poor offensive scheming:
QB School on YouTube did an excellent breakdown on Baker's troubles. Pretty much put most of the blame on Kitchens and poor offensive scheming:
What I took away from that film session was Baker too often was looking for the home run, plenty of times he had Landry wide open for a dump off pass.
And when he forced the end zone throw into coverage, OBJ was wide open.
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I would not start Baker until you see signs of an overall "fix" to the way they are running the offense. So far there are no signs of it. But then again the other two have difficult games, one with SF's front 4 and the other @ GB. Tough decision Mike. Got a 3 sided coin?
I can't start Baker until we see improvement, but the primary reason I wouldn't start him is his lack of production in the red zone. He's literally made the wrong guess on 90% (made that up) of his red zone reads. I said "guesses" because we all see him predetermining where to throw it. When you add in the fact he's not making ANY TD throws over 20 yards, you're getting the unenviable combination of no red zone production OR deep play touchdowns. Hard pass.
Can this this change? Hell yes. But I have to see it, and I'm betting it will coincide with Kareem Hunt returning.
I can't start Baker until we see improvement, but the primary reason I wouldn't start him is his lack of production in the red zone. He's literally made the wrong guess on 90% (made that up) of his red zone reads. I said "guesses" because we all see him predetermining where to throw it. When you add in the fact he's not making ANY TD throws over 20 yards, you're getting the unenviable combination of no red zone production OR deep play touchdowns. Hard pass.
Can this this change? Hell yes. But I have to see it, and I'm betting it will coincide with Kareem Hunt returning.
Totally agree. Hunt is a red zone dragon and PA off him will work very well. I like Chubb as the workhorse a lot, but Hunt is just a special kind of player inside the 10.
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I would not start Baker until you see signs of an overall "fix" to the way they are running the offense. So far there are no signs of it. But then again the other two have difficult games, one with SF's front 4 and the other @ GB. Tough decision Mike. Got a 3 sided coin?
I can't start Baker until we see improvement, but the primary reason I wouldn't start him is his lack of production in the red zone. He's literally made the wrong guess on 90% (made that up) of his red zone reads. I said "guesses" because we all see him predetermining where to throw it. When you add in the fact he's not making ANY TD throws over 20 yards, you're getting the unenviable combination of no red zone production OR deep play touchdowns. Hard pass.
Can this this change? Hell yes. But I have to see it, and I'm betting it will coincide with Kareem Hunt returning.
I can't start Baker until we see improvement, but the primary reason I wouldn't start him is his lack of production in the red zone. He's literally made the wrong guess on 90% (made that up) of his red zone reads. I said "guesses" because we all see him predetermining where to throw it. When you add in the fact he's not making ANY TD throws over 20 yards, you're getting the unenviable combination of no red zone production OR deep play touchdowns. Hard pass.
Can this this change? Hell yes. But I have to see it, and I'm betting it will coincide with Kareem Hunt returning.
Also agree plus I don't know how he can predetermine to throw to frikking stone hands Demetrius Harris. I'll keep on repeating it, replacing Darren Fells and Orson Charles with Harris and Brown was another big mistake by Dorsey especially after he weakened the Oline by trading Zeitler.
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I can't start Baker until we see improvement, but the primary reason I wouldn't start him is his lack of production in the red zone. He's literally made the wrong guess on 90% (made that up) of his red zone reads. I said "guesses" because we all see him predetermining where to throw it. When you add in the fact he's not making ANY TD throws over 20 yards, you're getting the unenviable combination of no red zone production OR deep play touchdowns. Hard pass.
Can this this change? Hell yes. But I have to see it, and I'm betting it will coincide with Kareem Hunt returning.
Also agree plus I don't know how he can predetermine to throw to frikking stone hands Demetrius Harris. I'll keep on repeating it, replacing Darren Fells and Orson Charles with Harris and Brown was another big mistake by Dorsey especially after he weakened the Oline by trading Zeitler.
Also agree plus I don't know how he can predetermine to throw to frikking stone hands Demetrius Harris. I'll keep on repeating it, replacing Darren Fells and Orson Charles with Harris and Brown was another big mistake by Dorsey especially after he weakened the Oline by trading Zeitler.
This. ALL of this! And don't forget that he also targeted Pharaoh Brown once, Calloway twice, and did I mention Demetrius Harris?! Also, he totally guessed against the Ravens off an RPO, but the pass was batted down at the line by a DL. Had it not been, it was a pick-6 because a Raven was waiting for it.
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Callaway is returning back to the X position which is natural position, where he took his preseason and practice reps. Higgins being in the Z.
Things will hopefully be somewhat back to the norm.
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Agree. It's the crappy offensive scheming. Those who blame this on the loss of Zeitler, check out how his new team is doing from a QB pressure point of view. Daniel Jones is maybe the only other QB who's been under more pressure than Mayfield.
Agree. It's the crappy offensive scheming. Those who blame this on the loss of Zeitler, check out how his new team is doing from a QB pressure point of view. Daniel Jones is maybe the only other QB who's been under more pressure than Mayfield.
Daniel Jones will be under a lot of pressure because that's the easiest way to defend a rookie QB. I don't have the stats with me but how many times has he been pressured with just 4 and sacked by a two man rush like we were last week?
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I think it’s 75% Freddie and 15% Baker trying to do too much and 10% supporting cast (line and WRs)
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He's not as good as many thought
He's not as good as many thought
You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
I think it’s 75% Freddie and 15% Baker trying to do too much and 10% supporting cast (line and WRs)
I think it’s 75% Freddie and 15% Baker trying to do too much and 10% supporting cast (line and WRs)
Absolutely. Excessive penalties is a discipline problem, and the buck stops at the coaching on that one.
For all of the great moves Dorsey and Co. have made so far here in Cleveland, the hiring of Kitchens as HC might be a huge enough blunder to cancel out those earlier good moves
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
He's not as good as many thought
You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.
You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.
Dear receivers- please catch the damn ball when it hits you in the hands!!
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He's not as good as many thought
You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.
You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.
No one said shitty. He's average at best. The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't. Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year. The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good. He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad
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You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.
No one said shitty. He's average at best. The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't. Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year. The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good. He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad
No one said shitty. He's average at best. The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't. Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year. The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good. He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad
How many of the interceptions were tipped into the defenders hands? Receiver with the kind of notoriety our receivers have should catch anything that touches their fingers.
WSS
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No one said shitty. He's average at best. The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't. Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year. The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good. He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad
How many of the interceptions were tipped into the defenders hands? Receiver with the kind of notoriety our receivers have should catch anything that touches their fingers.
WSS
How many of the interceptions were tipped into the defenders hands? Receiver with the kind of notoriety our receivers have should catch anything that touches their fingers.
WSS
WRs haven't helped him but most of those were thrown behind guys. As an OU fan I didn't like drafting Baker because this is what I was afraid of.
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