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  • He's not as good as many thought

  • I think it’s 75% Freddie and 15% Baker trying to do too much and 10% supporting cast (line and WRs) 

  • He's not as good as many thought

    @baconhound said:

    He's not as good as many thought

    You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

  • I think it’s 75% Freddie and 15% Baker trying to do too much and 10% supporting cast (line and WRs) 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    I think it’s 75% Freddie and 15% Baker trying to do too much and 10% supporting cast (line and WRs) 

    Absolutely. Excessive penalties is a discipline problem, and the buck stops at the coaching on that one. 

    For all of the great moves Dorsey and Co. have made so far here in Cleveland, the hiring of Kitchens as HC might be a huge enough blunder to cancel out those earlier good moves 

  • @baconhound said:

    He's not as good as many thought

    You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

    @jbluhm86 said:

    You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

    Dear receivers- please catch the damn ball when it hits you in the hands!!

  • @jbluhm86 said:

    You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

    Dear receivers- please catch the damn ball when it hits you in the hands!!

    @hoorta said:

    Dear receivers- please catch the damn ball when it hits you in the hands!!

    That too. It's like we have a bunch of Greg Little's out there as receivers.

  • not sure who posted it but it made me laugh,Baker is a drunk

  • @baconhound said:

    He's not as good as many thought

    You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

    @jbluhm86 said:

    You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

    No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

  • @jbluhm86 said:

    You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

    No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

    @baconhound said:

    No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

    How many of the interceptions were tipped into the defenders hands? Receiver with the kind of notoriety our receivers have should catch anything that touches their fingers.

    WSS

  • @baconhound said:

    No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

    How many of the interceptions were tipped into the defenders hands? Receiver with the kind of notoriety our receivers have should catch anything that touches their fingers.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    How many of the interceptions were tipped into the defenders hands? Receiver with the kind of notoriety our receivers have should catch anything that touches their fingers.

    WSS

    WRs haven't helped him but most of those were thrown behind guys.  As an OU fan I didn't like drafting Baker because this is what I was afraid of.

  • @jbluhm86 said:

    You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

    No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

    @baconhound said:

    No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

    He wan't inaccurate THIS game. Too many catachable passes dropped, and two of them turned into ricochet interceptions. FYI- those ints go on Baker- when they're the receiver's fault. the one Landry coughed up I understand, but not the game ender though. 

  • @baconhound said:

    No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

    He wan't inaccurate THIS game. Too many catachable passes dropped, and two of them turned into ricochet interceptions. FYI- those ints go on Baker- when they're the receiver's fault. the one Landry coughed up I understand, but not the game ender though. 

    @hoorta said:

    He wan't inaccurate THIS game. Too many catachable passes dropped, and two of them turned into ricochet interceptions. FYI- those ints go on Baker- when they're the receiver's fault. the one Landry coughed up I understand, but not the game ender though. 

    Your standard of accuracy is different than mine.  He properly lead the WR/TE a handful of times.  Throwing it near someone isn't the name of the game.  He throws it behind everyone.  He almost bounced once that OBJ scoop with no reason to throw it low.  When he has time and guys come open he's dangerous, unfortunately that doesn't happen much in the NFL.

  • @hoorta said:

    He wan't inaccurate THIS game. Too many catachable passes dropped, and two of them turned into ricochet interceptions. FYI- those ints go on Baker- when they're the receiver's fault. the one Landry coughed up I understand, but not the game ender though. 

    Your standard of accuracy is different than mine.  He properly lead the WR/TE a handful of times.  Throwing it near someone isn't the name of the game.  He throws it behind everyone.  He almost bounced once that OBJ scoop with no reason to throw it low.  When he has time and guys come open he's dangerous, unfortunately that doesn't happen much in the NFL.

    @baconhound said:

    Your standard of accuracy is different than mine.  He properly lead the WR/TE a handful of times.  Throwing it near someone isn't the name of the game.  He throws it behind everyone.  He almost bounced once that OBJ scoop with no reason to throw it low.  When he has time and guys come open he's dangerous, unfortunately that doesn't happen much in the NFL.

    Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

  • @baconhound said:

    Your standard of accuracy is different than mine.  He properly lead the WR/TE a handful of times.  Throwing it near someone isn't the name of the game.  He throws it behind everyone.  He almost bounced once that OBJ scoop with no reason to throw it low.  When he has time and guys come open he's dangerous, unfortunately that doesn't happen much in the NFL.

    Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

    @hoorta said:

    Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

    That bomb was due to an offside call ala Aaron Rodgers.  Calls were bad but they scored 20 points in one quarter and 8 points in 3 quarters.  This is the same story, 2-4, going to be 2-5.  Maybe they get lucky on the back end of the schedule and get to 7-9, yay

  • @hoorta said:

    Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

    That bomb was due to an offside call ala Aaron Rodgers.  Calls were bad but they scored 20 points in one quarter and 8 points in 3 quarters.  This is the same story, 2-4, going to be 2-5.  Maybe they get lucky on the back end of the schedule and get to 7-9, yay

    @baconhound said:

    That bomb was due to an offside call ala Aaron Rodgers.  Calls were bad but they scored 20 points in one quarter and 8 points in 3 quarters.  This is the same story, 2-4, going to be 2-5.  Maybe they get lucky on the back end of the schedule and get to 7-9, yay

    Sure, Bakers fault that Chubb get stripped- keep on putting the blame in the wrong place. Who doesn't know what the horse collar rule currently is another gift first down drive sustainer. 

  • @baconhound said:

    Your standard of accuracy is different than mine.  He properly lead the WR/TE a handful of times.  Throwing it near someone isn't the name of the game.  He throws it behind everyone.  He almost bounced once that OBJ scoop with no reason to throw it low.  When he has time and guys come open he's dangerous, unfortunately that doesn't happen much in the NFL.

    Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

    @hoorta said:

    Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

    I went fishing all day and didn't even consider watching the game. I felt confident Browns would play better but come up short. We're not the better team and we're not good enough to beat hardly anybody. Our team is simply cursed, and it's just the way it is. The fact we can't win a game at home might be the saddest shit in the league. All those poor people who bought into the hype. All those people who leave wondering if they will get their money back after selling the rest of their season tickets on StubHub. I won't lie, I had to laugh when I heard all hysterical things that happened today. You just can't make it up. Lol. Go Browns, the lovable losers who have thrown yet another season away. 

  • @hoorta said:

    Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

    I went fishing all day and didn't even consider watching the game. I felt confident Browns would play better but come up short. We're not the better team and we're not good enough to beat hardly anybody. Our team is simply cursed, and it's just the way it is. The fact we can't win a game at home might be the saddest shit in the league. All those poor people who bought into the hype. All those people who leave wondering if they will get their money back after selling the rest of their season tickets on StubHub. I won't lie, I had to laugh when I heard all hysterical things that happened today. You just can't make it up. Lol. Go Browns, the lovable losers who have thrown yet another season away. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I went fishing all day and didn't even consider watching the game. I felt confident Browns would play better but come up short. We're not the better team and we're not good enough to beat hardly anybody. Our team is simply cursed, and it's just the way it is. The fact we can't win a game at home might be the saddest shit in the league. All those poor people who bought into the hype. All those people who leave wondering if they will get their money back after selling the rest of their season tickets on StubHub. I won't lie, I had to laugh when I heard all hysterical things that happened today. You just can't make it up. Lol. Go Browns, the lovable losers who have thrown yet another season away. 

    I had this penciled in as a loss when the schedule was released purely based on the fact that Seattle’s a mature well coached team vs a rookie coach and inexperienced team.  I didn’t watch most of the game as  Sunday Ticket streaming didn’t work until the last 10 minutes of the fourth quarter. I watched them take the lead but had no doubt Russell Wilson would bring them back, however after over more than 3 min left on the clock I waited to see if Baker  would surprise me and unsurprisingly  he didn’t. Not that he’s a terrible  QB but he hasn’t been coached to become a patient QB this season. 

  • @hoorta said:

    Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

    I went fishing all day and didn't even consider watching the game. I felt confident Browns would play better but come up short. We're not the better team and we're not good enough to beat hardly anybody. Our team is simply cursed, and it's just the way it is. The fact we can't win a game at home might be the saddest shit in the league. All those poor people who bought into the hype. All those people who leave wondering if they will get their money back after selling the rest of their season tickets on StubHub. I won't lie, I had to laugh when I heard all hysterical things that happened today. You just can't make it up. Lol. Go Browns, the lovable losers who have thrown yet another season away. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I went fishing all day and didn't even consider watching the game. I felt confident Browns would play better but come up short. We're not the better team and we're not good enough to beat hardly anybody. Our team is simply cursed, and it's just the way it is. The fact we can't win a game at home might be the saddest shit in the league. All those poor people who bought into the hype. All those people who leave wondering if they will get their money back after selling the rest of their season tickets on StubHub. I won't lie, I had to laugh when I heard all hysterical things that happened today. You just can't make it up. Lol. Go Browns, the lovable losers who have thrown yet another season away. 

    Great fan there going fishing instead of watching the game.... 2-4 and the season is over. Just go away. You and a few others are as bad with the negativity as Po is pumping Sunshine. 

    I've already said- the Ratbirds play the Seahawks and Patriots next. Don't change your tune after we're tied for first in the division. Or you expecting the mighty running qb of the Ravens to beat them both? I sure as hell don't.  The Ratbird byes are over, in case you didn't notice. 

  • I’m not sure if most of the people complaining about Baker have been fans long enough to remember actually watching some of the QB’s the Browns have trotted out there....

    Baker on a three interception day, still looks 100% better than anything the Browns have put out there in about 15 years (and that’s included horseballs Derek Anderson’s year) 

    I’m just glad the team can stop drafting QB’s in the 1st round for a while and keep building a good team. 
     

    Baker does need to play better, and make much better decisions on when and where to take chances, but I’ve seen enough to let him start for the next 3-5 seasons without putting a significant investment in a replacement.

  • not sure who posted it but it made me laugh,Baker is a drunk

    @atom said:

    not sure who posted it but it made me laugh,Baker is a drunk

    I posted it.  I said Ginger Baker Mayfield may be drinking.  You only need 2 beers a day to be impaired and gain weight.  Larry Bird had all the Celts give up beer to win his first title.  I hope I'm  wrong and he just stinks because of the coaching, bad O-line and  weight gain.  Time will tell.