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So whats wrong with Baker?

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    CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on last edited by
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    Callaway is returning back to the X position which is natural position, where he took his preseason and practice reps. Higgins being in the Z. 

    Things will hopefully be somewhat back to the norm.

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      For the umpteenth time...more play action...less shotgun

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        For the umpteenth time...more play action...less shotgun

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        @kvoethe said:

        For the umpteenth time...more play action...less shotgun

        Now watch they will come out in the shotgun on the first series of the game.

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          Agree. It's the crappy offensive scheming. Those who blame this on the loss of Zeitler, check out how his new team is doing from a QB pressure point of view. Daniel Jones is maybe the only other QB who's been under more pressure than Mayfield.

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          @hish747 said:

          Agree. It's the crappy offensive scheming. Those who blame this on the loss of Zeitler, check out how his new team is doing from a QB pressure point of view. Daniel Jones is maybe the only other QB who's been under more pressure than Mayfield.

          Daniel Jones will be under a lot of pressure because that's the easiest way to defend a rookie QB. I don't have the stats with me but how many times has he been pressured with just 4 and sacked by a two man rush like we were last week?

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            coaching

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              He's not as good as many thought

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                I think it’s 75% Freddie and 15% Baker trying to do too much and 10% supporting cast (line and WRs) 

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                  He's not as good as many thought

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                  jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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                  @baconhound said:

                  He's not as good as many thought

                  You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

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                    I think it’s 75% Freddie and 15% Baker trying to do too much and 10% supporting cast (line and WRs) 

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                    jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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                    @sdbacker80 said:

                    I think it’s 75% Freddie and 15% Baker trying to do too much and 10% supporting cast (line and WRs) 

                    Absolutely. Excessive penalties is a discipline problem, and the buck stops at the coaching on that one. 

                    For all of the great moves Dorsey and Co. have made so far here in Cleveland, the hiring of Kitchens as HC might be a huge enough blunder to cancel out those earlier good moves 

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                      @baconhound said:

                      He's not as good as many thought

                      You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

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                      @jbluhm86 said:

                      You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

                      Dear receivers- please catch the damn ball when it hits you in the hands!!

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                        @jbluhm86 said:

                        You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

                        Dear receivers- please catch the damn ball when it hits you in the hands!!

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                        jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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                        @hoorta said:

                        Dear receivers- please catch the damn ball when it hits you in the hands!!

                        That too. It's like we have a bunch of Greg Little's out there as receivers.

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                          not sure who posted it but it made me laugh,Baker is a drunk

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                            @baconhound said:

                            He's not as good as many thought

                            You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

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                            @jbluhm86 said:

                            You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

                            No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

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                              @jbluhm86 said:

                              You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

                              No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

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                              @baconhound said:

                              No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

                              How many of the interceptions were tipped into the defenders hands? Receiver with the kind of notoriety our receivers have should catch anything that touches their fingers.

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                                @baconhound said:

                                No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

                                How many of the interceptions were tipped into the defenders hands? Receiver with the kind of notoriety our receivers have should catch anything that touches their fingers.

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                                @westside-steve said:

                                How many of the interceptions were tipped into the defenders hands? Receiver with the kind of notoriety our receivers have should catch anything that touches their fingers.

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                                WRs haven't helped him but most of those were thrown behind guys.  As an OU fan I didn't like drafting Baker because this is what I was afraid of.

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                                  @jbluhm86 said:

                                  You can't be a shitty QB and set the rookie TD record in less than a full season, though. Kitchens and Monken are really doing Mayfield a huge disservice with their horrible play calling.

                                  No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

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                                  hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                                  @baconhound said:

                                  No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

                                  He wan't inaccurate THIS game. Too many catachable passes dropped, and two of them turned into ricochet interceptions. FYI- those ints go on Baker- when they're the receiver's fault. the one Landry coughed up I understand, but not the game ender though. 

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                                    @baconhound said:

                                    No one said shitty.  He's average at best.  The rookie TD record means nothing, sorry I know many in here want that to be some great accomplishment but it isn't.  Mayfield has been extremely inaccurate this year.  The OLine and WRs haven't helped him much but he hasn't been good.  He's got 5 TDs and 11 INTs...bad

                                    He wan't inaccurate THIS game. Too many catachable passes dropped, and two of them turned into ricochet interceptions. FYI- those ints go on Baker- when they're the receiver's fault. the one Landry coughed up I understand, but not the game ender though. 

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                                    @hoorta said:

                                    He wan't inaccurate THIS game. Too many catachable passes dropped, and two of them turned into ricochet interceptions. FYI- those ints go on Baker- when they're the receiver's fault. the one Landry coughed up I understand, but not the game ender though. 

                                    Your standard of accuracy is different than mine.  He properly lead the WR/TE a handful of times.  Throwing it near someone isn't the name of the game.  He throws it behind everyone.  He almost bounced once that OBJ scoop with no reason to throw it low.  When he has time and guys come open he's dangerous, unfortunately that doesn't happen much in the NFL.

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                                      @hoorta said:

                                      He wan't inaccurate THIS game. Too many catachable passes dropped, and two of them turned into ricochet interceptions. FYI- those ints go on Baker- when they're the receiver's fault. the one Landry coughed up I understand, but not the game ender though. 

                                      Your standard of accuracy is different than mine.  He properly lead the WR/TE a handful of times.  Throwing it near someone isn't the name of the game.  He throws it behind everyone.  He almost bounced once that OBJ scoop with no reason to throw it low.  When he has time and guys come open he's dangerous, unfortunately that doesn't happen much in the NFL.

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                                      hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                                      @baconhound said:

                                      Your standard of accuracy is different than mine.  He properly lead the WR/TE a handful of times.  Throwing it near someone isn't the name of the game.  He throws it behind everyone.  He almost bounced once that OBJ scoop with no reason to throw it low.  When he has time and guys come open he's dangerous, unfortunately that doesn't happen much in the NFL.

                                      Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

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                                        @baconhound said:

                                        Your standard of accuracy is different than mine.  He properly lead the WR/TE a handful of times.  Throwing it near someone isn't the name of the game.  He throws it behind everyone.  He almost bounced once that OBJ scoop with no reason to throw it low.  When he has time and guys come open he's dangerous, unfortunately that doesn't happen much in the NFL.

                                        Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

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                                        @hoorta said:

                                        Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

                                        That bomb was due to an offside call ala Aaron Rodgers.  Calls were bad but they scored 20 points in one quarter and 8 points in 3 quarters.  This is the same story, 2-4, going to be 2-5.  Maybe they get lucky on the back end of the schedule and get to 7-9, yay

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                                          @hoorta said:

                                          Yet today Mahomes throws a bomb into tight double coverage, and gets away with pure luck. Face it, the Browns were extremely  unlucky today. Catchable balls that became interceptions, and drive sustaining penalties against the Browns, and one crappy call against Landry that were drive killers. 

                                          That bomb was due to an offside call ala Aaron Rodgers.  Calls were bad but they scored 20 points in one quarter and 8 points in 3 quarters.  This is the same story, 2-4, going to be 2-5.  Maybe they get lucky on the back end of the schedule and get to 7-9, yay

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                                          @baconhound said:

                                          That bomb was due to an offside call ala Aaron Rodgers.  Calls were bad but they scored 20 points in one quarter and 8 points in 3 quarters.  This is the same story, 2-4, going to be 2-5.  Maybe they get lucky on the back end of the schedule and get to 7-9, yay

                                          Sure, Bakers fault that Chubb get stripped- keep on putting the blame in the wrong place. Who doesn't know what the horse collar rule currently is another gift first down drive sustainer. 

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