Freddie Close To Being Fired ?
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if Freddie coaches a losing season or misses the playoffs, I think they'll cut their losses. Freddie's aggressive playcalling is advertising for his next job if things don't work out here.
6 games in & i don't throw axes at coaches like most.. 10 games left & how the players react to Kitchens keeping his job & staff? it's still on the players preforming better on the field on execution/poor technique & poor disapline.. <<can't disagree with the boss on any of these 3 either..it's too soon folks..
6 games in & i don't throw axes at coaches like most.. 10 games left & how the players react to Kitchens keeping his job & staff? it's still on the players preforming better on the field on execution/poor technique & poor disapline.. <<can't disagree with the boss on any of these 3 either..it's too soon folks..
Way too soon- it would be the fastest HC firing in the history of the NFL.
The "double down on atrocious strategy" comments, otherwise known as the "Hue Jackson Press Conference Guide to Failure" was not a good look for Freddie. He should have admitted he effed up, but he didn't. I certainly don't want a freaking coaching change, but I thought his arrogant ass was toast this week...if only a little.
Let's hope in private Dorsey roasted his ass to well done.
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We fired 2 head coaches in 1 year.
After that perspective HC's ran for the woods when they heard Haslam wanted to talk to them.
We were just starting to climb out from under that stigma......and now some of us want to fire a new HC after 6 games?!?
It's Freddy's fault that Callaway turns a TD reception standing at the goal line into an int out to the 50?
It's Freddy's fault that Hilliard lets a ball go through his hands and into the hands of a defender to end the game? Of course, people blame him for throwing it to Hilliard at all. And that it should ALWAYS be thrown to OBJ or Landry....or else run Chubb.
- Here's what I haven't at all liked from Freddie: The draw play on 4th & 9. Of course, if it would've gotten 10 yards he'd have been hailed as a genius. I didn't like it.
- Most didn't like his plan to score a TD, use his TO's to force Seattle to punt, and then come down and score again, all within 1:45 of the half. Me, I only felt that it was a different way of thinking. It was a plan. I probably would've gone the old fashioned way and played 'not to lose'.....but for me, it's hard to criticize a guy who Plays To Win The Game.....so it didn't bother me much. (you can't play the game being afraid that your QB is gonna throw an INT, or that your RB is gonna fumble)
Don't fire Freddie! Don't trade a #1 pick for a 31 yr old LT who's been injured frequently. Draft one.
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I obviously didn't have any insider information, but I was trying to tell people that Kitchens' mistakes were almost unforgivable. Making matters worse, the Seahawks DB was saying how he knew the plays a d was calling them out. Now, I don't put too much credence into that because we still moved the ball and scored enough points to win, but we played Hall of Fame Russ and that's that.
I don't want him fired, but whatever magic they discovered last year has completely vanished, and now we're tasked with finding it again versus the Patriots. We CAN beat them btw, and if we FINALLY have a game where everything clicks, we'll win. Brady has thrown some dangerous passes this year, we just need one to show up in our game that we return for a TD. That's the key for us next game...scoring on defense.
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I obviously didn't have any insider information, but I was trying to tell people that Kitchens' mistakes were almost unforgivable. Making matters worse, the Seahawks DB was saying how he knew the plays a d was calling them out. Now, I don't put too much credence into that because we still moved the ball and scored enough points to win, but we played Hall of Fame Russ and that's that.
I don't want him fired, but whatever magic they discovered last year has completely vanished, and now we're tasked with finding it again versus the Patriots. We CAN beat them btw, and if we FINALLY have a game where everything clicks, we'll win. Brady has thrown some dangerous passes this year, we just need one to show up in our game that we return for a TD. That's the key for us next game...scoring on defense.
I obviously didn't have any insider information, but I was trying to tell people that Kitchens' mistakes were almost unforgivable. Making matters worse, the Seahawks DB was saying how he knew the plays a d was calling them out. Now, I don't put too much credence into that because we still moved the ball and scored enough points to win, but we played Hall of Fame Russ and that's that.
I don't want him fired, but whatever magic they discovered last year has completely vanished, and now we're tasked with finding it again versus the Patriots. We CAN beat them btw, and if we FINALLY have a game where everything clicks, we'll win. Brady has thrown some dangerous passes this year, we just need one to show up in our game that we return for a TD. That's the key for us next game...scoring on defense.
Guy is just regurgitating Clayton's opinion jiggins, and that has been confirmed by no one else who's 1\2 credible. Plus the writer obviously hates the Browns, might even be our Baltimore troll.
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I doubt no HC would be canned after 6 games. They only gave Chud 1 full season but at least he got the full season. I said from the get go we should of kept Greg but what I want or what any of you want does not matter. They thought this was the best pick for the team. Maybe Baker was better last season or maybe it was a combination of things, a few different players maybe make the difference IDK.
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I doubt no HC would be canned after 6 games. They only gave Chud 1 full season but at least he got the full season. I said from the get go we should of kept Greg but what I want or what any of you want does not matter. They thought this was the best pick for the team. Maybe Baker was better last season or maybe it was a combination of things, a few different players maybe make the difference IDK.
I doubt no HC would be canned after 6 games. They only gave Chud 1 full season but at least he got the full season. I said from the get go we should of kept Greg but what I want or what any of you want does not matter. They thought this was the best pick for the team. Maybe Baker was better last season or maybe it was a combination of things, a few different players maybe make the difference IDK.
It's possible Baker is over thinking things. Or Freddie is running the same plays he did last year, and opposing defenses now have formational clues. Griffin claimed he knew what Landry was going to do on the int.
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I obviously didn't have any insider information, but I was trying to tell people that Kitchens' mistakes were almost unforgivable. Making matters worse, the Seahawks DB was saying how he knew the plays a d was calling them out. Now, I don't put too much credence into that because we still moved the ball and scored enough points to win, but we played Hall of Fame Russ and that's that.
I don't want him fired, but whatever magic they discovered last year has completely vanished, and now we're tasked with finding it again versus the Patriots. We CAN beat them btw, and if we FINALLY have a game where everything clicks, we'll win. Brady has thrown some dangerous passes this year, we just need one to show up in our game that we return for a TD. That's the key for us next game...scoring on defense.
I obviously didn't have any insider information, but I was trying to tell people that Kitchens' mistakes were almost unforgivable. Making matters worse, the Seahawks DB was saying how he knew the plays a d was calling them out. Now, I don't put too much credence into that because we still moved the ball and scored enough points to win, but we played Hall of Fame Russ and that's that.
I don't want him fired, but whatever magic they discovered last year has completely vanished, and now we're tasked with finding it again versus the Patriots. We CAN beat them btw, and if we FINALLY have a game where everything clicks, we'll win. Brady has thrown some dangerous passes this year, we just need one to show up in our game that we return for a TD. That's the key for us next game...scoring on defense.
All that magic left soon as Gregg Williams did.. Think about that for awhile...
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I doubt no HC would be canned after 6 games. They only gave Chud 1 full season but at least he got the full season. I said from the get go we should of kept Greg but what I want or what any of you want does not matter. They thought this was the best pick for the team. Maybe Baker was better last season or maybe it was a combination of things, a few different players maybe make the difference IDK.
It's possible Baker is over thinking things. Or Freddie is running the same plays he did last year, and opposing defenses now have formational clues. Griffin claimed he knew what Landry was going to do on the int.
It's possible Baker is over thinking things. Or Freddie is running the same plays he did last year, and opposing defenses now have formational clues. Griffin claimed he knew what Landry was going to do on the int.
He ran a slant in the red zone 90 percent of routes are slants digs (both inside breaking) and a fade inside the redzone. So he could make a pretty educated guess but Griffin was still beat to the inside on the slant. Or did he know Baker was gonna throw it high and behind him also? Not saying you're full of shit larry just that griffin isn't some savant for guessing it was going to be a slant (that he was still beat on lol).
So clayton knew before the game (pregame) happened there was chaos dysfunction and freddie was almost fired after the game?
"In fact, there were some rumors when I was in the Browns pregame, that he could've gotten fired after this game, b/c they're going to be sitting 2-5"
that's some wizardry shit right there.
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We fired 2 head coaches in 1 year.
After that perspective HC's ran for the woods when they heard Haslam wanted to talk to them.
We were just starting to climb out from under that stigma......and now some of us want to fire a new HC after 6 games?!?
It's Freddy's fault that Callaway turns a TD reception standing at the goal line into an int out to the 50?
It's Freddy's fault that Hilliard lets a ball go through his hands and into the hands of a defender to end the game? Of course, people blame him for throwing it to Hilliard at all. And that it should ALWAYS be thrown to OBJ or Landry....or else run Chubb.
- Here's what I haven't at all liked from Freddie: The draw play on 4th & 9. Of course, if it would've gotten 10 yards he'd have been hailed as a genius. I didn't like it.
- Most didn't like his plan to score a TD, use his TO's to force Seattle to punt, and then come down and score again, all within 1:45 of the half. Me, I only felt that it was a different way of thinking. It was a plan. I probably would've gone the old fashioned way and played 'not to lose'.....but for me, it's hard to criticize a guy who Plays To Win The Game.....so it didn't bother me much. (you can't play the game being afraid that your QB is gonna throw an INT, or that your RB is gonna fumble)
Don't fire Freddie! Don't trade a #1 pick for a 31 yr old LT who's been injured frequently. Draft one.
Me, I only felt that it was a different way of thinking. It was a plan. I probably would've gone the old fashioned way and played 'not to lose'.....but for me, it's hard to criticize a guy who Plays To Win The Game.....so it didn't bother me much. (you can't play the game being afraid that your QB is gonna throw an INT, ..
Don't fire Freddie! Don't trade a #1 pick for a 31 yr old LT who's been injured frequently. Draft one.
Making Seattle burn their last timeout and AT LEAST getting 3 points to go up 2 scores is playing to win the game, my friend.
Trying to force scoring and forcibly taking the ball and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose, IMO.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this rumor is partially true. But it would’ve been a bad reaction to fire coach for his first year inexperience.
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I obviously didn't have any insider information, but I was trying to tell people that Kitchens' mistakes were almost unforgivable. Making matters worse, the Seahawks DB was saying how he knew the plays a d was calling them out. Now, I don't put too much credence into that because we still moved the ball and scored enough points to win, but we played Hall of Fame Russ and that's that.
I don't want him fired, but whatever magic they discovered last year has completely vanished, and now we're tasked with finding it again versus the Patriots. We CAN beat them btw, and if we FINALLY have a game where everything clicks, we'll win. Brady has thrown some dangerous passes this year, we just need one to show up in our game that we return for a TD. That's the key for us next game...scoring on defense.
Guy is just regurgitating Clayton's opinion jiggins, and that has been confirmed by no one else who's 1\2 credible. Plus the writer obviously hates the Browns, might even be our Baltimore troll.
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It's possible Baker is over thinking things. Or Freddie is running the same plays he did last year, and opposing defenses now have formational clues. Griffin claimed he knew what Landry was going to do on the int.
He ran a slant in the red zone 90 percent of routes are slants digs (both inside breaking) and a fade inside the redzone. So he could make a pretty educated guess but Griffin was still beat to the inside on the slant. Or did he know Baker was gonna throw it high and behind him also? Not saying you're full of shit larry just that griffin isn't some savant for guessing it was going to be a slant (that he was still beat on lol).
So clayton knew before the game (pregame) happened there was chaos dysfunction and freddie was almost fired after the game?
"In fact, there were some rumors when I was in the Browns pregame, that he could've gotten fired after this game, b/c they're going to be sitting 2-5"
that's some wizardry shit right there.
1) He ran a slant in the red zone 90 percent of routes are slants digs (both inside breaking) and a fade inside the redzone. So he could make a pretty educated guess but Griffin was still beat to the inside on the slant. Or did he know Baker was gonna throw it high and behind him also? Not saying you're full of shit larry just that griffin isn't some savant for guessing it was going to be a slant (that he was still beat on lol).
2) So clayton knew before the game (pregame) happened there was chaos dysfunction and freddie was almost fired after the game?
"In fact, there were some rumors when I was in the Browns pregame, that he could've gotten fired after this game, b/c they're going to be sitting 2-5"
that's some wizardry shit right there.
1) all dat true.
2) Clayton got that tip from Incarcerated Bob.
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Me, I only felt that it was a different way of thinking. It was a plan. I probably would've gone the old fashioned way and played 'not to lose'.....but for me, it's hard to criticize a guy who Plays To Win The Game.....so it didn't bother me much. (you can't play the game being afraid that your QB is gonna throw an INT, ..
Don't fire Freddie! Don't trade a #1 pick for a 31 yr old LT who's been injured frequently. Draft one.
Making Seattle burn their last timeout and AT LEAST getting 3 points to go up 2 scores is playing to win the game, my friend.
Trying to force scoring and forcibly taking the ball and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose, IMO.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this rumor is partially true. But it would’ve been a bad reaction to fire coach for his first year inexperience.
Trying to force scoring and forcibly taking the ball and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose, IMO.
Trying to force scoring: I don't think 'force' is the right word. I think he wanted to score a TD. They were coming down the field with an uptempo game, keeping Seattle's D on it's heels. He obviously did not want to break that roll they were on and figured it gave them the best chance of scoring a TD. Yes. He could've stopped everything, including the momentum, for the sake of a clock on a wall.
and forcibly taking the ball: So we shouldn't try and do that?
and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose: hmmm.......
The alternative was to play for a FG. It was 2nd and 8. We could've let the clock run another 10-12 seconds and ran the ball. Seattle will use it's last TO. Now it's 3rd and what? Six, FIve? We throw a pass (say we luck out and it's not intercepted, just incomplete). We kick the FG. Seattle's got maybe 20 seconds less than what we actually left them...but they don't have their final TO. They STILL get down there for a FG at least.
I would've called TO and stopped the momentum, used up their final TO, and take a shot at the end zone (which could have been picked off...just like what DID happen) before kicking the FG. But if I was coaching the Patriots I might have done it.
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saw it & not buying any of it.. John Clayton is the biggest Hawks fan known to mankind..I believe he lives there & host a KIRO radio show from Seattle..Still a heavy metal rocker but Clayton would stir the pot for solely ESPN ranking, just like the others that still rein at that network.."There was a lot of Talk"
yep..got it..the guy in section 333 can source that..
Don't believe that rumor but if Freddie coaches a losing season or misses the playoffs, I think they'll cut their losses. Freddie's aggressive playcalling is advertising for his next job if things don't work out here.
Don't believe that rumor but if Freddie coaches a losing season or misses the playoffs, I think they'll cut their losses. Freddie's aggressive playcalling is advertising for his next job if things don't work out here.
you bet....can't believe this mgmt team screwed everything up yet again by hiring him....loved him as the oc...he's not a hc, at least to this point....2 and 5 is on the way, then you might hear more about him getting fired....pats on the road...you can count on a 2-5 flight home.....
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1) He ran a slant in the red zone 90 percent of routes are slants digs (both inside breaking) and a fade inside the redzone. So he could make a pretty educated guess but Griffin was still beat to the inside on the slant. Or did he know Baker was gonna throw it high and behind him also? Not saying you're full of shit larry just that griffin isn't some savant for guessing it was going to be a slant (that he was still beat on lol).
2) So clayton knew before the game (pregame) happened there was chaos dysfunction and freddie was almost fired after the game?
"In fact, there were some rumors when I was in the Browns pregame, that he could've gotten fired after this game, b/c they're going to be sitting 2-5"
that's some wizardry shit right there.
1) all dat true.
2) Clayton got that tip from Incarcerated Bob.
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Trying to force scoring and forcibly taking the ball and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose, IMO.
Trying to force scoring: I don't think 'force' is the right word. I think he wanted to score a TD. They were coming down the field with an uptempo game, keeping Seattle's D on it's heels. He obviously did not want to break that roll they were on and figured it gave them the best chance of scoring a TD. Yes. He could've stopped everything, including the momentum, for the sake of a clock on a wall.
and forcibly taking the ball: So we shouldn't try and do that?
and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose: hmmm.......
The alternative was to play for a FG. It was 2nd and 8. We could've let the clock run another 10-12 seconds and ran the ball. Seattle will use it's last TO. Now it's 3rd and what? Six, FIve? We throw a pass (say we luck out and it's not intercepted, just incomplete). We kick the FG. Seattle's got maybe 20 seconds less than what we actually left them...but they don't have their final TO. They STILL get down there for a FG at least.
I would've called TO and stopped the momentum, used up their final TO, and take a shot at the end zone (which could have been picked off...just like what DID happen) before kicking the FG. But if I was coaching the Patriots I might have done it.
Trying to force scoring: I don't think 'force' is the right word. I think he wanted to score a TD. They were coming down the field with an uptempo game, keeping Seattle's D on it's heels. He obviously did not want to break that roll they were on and figured it gave them the best chance of scoring a TD. Yes. He could've stopped everything, including the momentum, for the sake of a clock on a wall.
and forcibly taking the ball: So we shouldn't try and do that?
and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose: hmmm.......
The alternative was to play for a FG. It was 2nd and 8. We could've let the clock run another 10-12 seconds and ran the ball. Seattle will use it's last TO. Now it's 3rd and what? Six, FIve? We throw a pass (say we luck out and it's not intercepted, just incomplete). We kick the FG. Seattle's got maybe 20 seconds less than what we actually left them...but they don't have their final TO. They STILL get down there for a FG at least.
I would've called TO and stopped the momentum, used up their final TO, and take a shot at the end zone (which could have been picked off...just like what DID happen) before kicking the FG. But if I was coaching the Patriots I might have done it.
Nope, we run the ball again. Seattle is out of TOs and besides the play we bleed 45 seconds off the clock before we kick a FG, or Chubb scores a TD. .
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Trying to force scoring: I don't think 'force' is the right word. I think he wanted to score a TD. They were coming down the field with an uptempo game, keeping Seattle's D on it's heels. He obviously did not want to break that roll they were on and figured it gave them the best chance of scoring a TD. Yes. He could've stopped everything, including the momentum, for the sake of a clock on a wall.
and forcibly taking the ball: So we shouldn't try and do that?
and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose: hmmm.......
The alternative was to play for a FG. It was 2nd and 8. We could've let the clock run another 10-12 seconds and ran the ball. Seattle will use it's last TO. Now it's 3rd and what? Six, FIve? We throw a pass (say we luck out and it's not intercepted, just incomplete). We kick the FG. Seattle's got maybe 20 seconds less than what we actually left them...but they don't have their final TO. They STILL get down there for a FG at least.
I would've called TO and stopped the momentum, used up their final TO, and take a shot at the end zone (which could have been picked off...just like what DID happen) before kicking the FG. But if I was coaching the Patriots I might have done it.
Nope, we run the ball again. Seattle is out of TOs and besides the play we bleed 45 seconds off the clock before we kick a FG, or Chubb scores a TD. .
Nope, we run the ball again
Yes, you could do that. In my book I call that playing for the 3 points and going to the half. 2nd and 8 from the 10. Two runs. If they can spring him and he scores then it's gravy.
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Yes, you could do that. In my book I call that playing for the 3 points and going to the half. 2nd and 8 from the 10. Two runs. If they can spring him and he scores then it's gravy.
The red zone offense has been bad. Nick Chubb has been GOOD. With good blocking maybe he would’ve scored.
On third down, an easy completion type of throw, maybe a drag route to Callaway would be a logical type of pass play with a Chubb as an outlet. With OBJ working the deeper route in case the short is covered up.. Landry just get open, have an option route to find the soft spot..
23-12, opposed to almost case 20-18
What baffles me was the desire to score quickly, thinking that the defense is destined to get you the ball back against an elite QB in 2 minute offense. Without the 2 starting corners..
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Yes, you could do that. In my book I call that playing for the 3 points and going to the half. 2nd and 8 from the 10. Two runs. If they can spring him and he scores then it's gravy.
The red zone offense has been bad. Nick Chubb has been GOOD. With good blocking maybe he would’ve scored.
On third down, an easy completion type of throw, maybe a drag route to Callaway would be a logical type of pass play with a Chubb as an outlet. With OBJ working the deeper route in case the short is covered up.. Landry just get open, have an option route to find the soft spot..
23-12, opposed to almost case 20-18
What baffles me was the desire to score quickly, thinking that the defense is destined to get you the ball back against an elite QB in 2 minute offense. Without the 2 starting corners..
What baffles me was the desire to score quickly, thinking that the defense is destined to get you the ball back
Well, there is that. Although the D hadn't been getting gaffed up to that point, I certainly wasn't all that confident that they could just 3 & out them. And certainly after they took it down the field for a TD and got the 2 point conversion, I wasn't confident in our D at all anymore.
Freddie attacked the end of the half aggressively...but his team let him down...on both sides of the ball. Apparently, with Freddie's team, you have to play 'not to lose'. It's sad when you have to play scared.....scared that your guys are about to fuck up.
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What baffles me was the desire to score quickly, thinking that the defense is destined to get you the ball back
Well, there is that. Although the D hadn't been getting gaffed up to that point, I certainly wasn't all that confident that they could just 3 & out them. And certainly after they took it down the field for a TD and got the 2 point conversion, I wasn't confident in our D at all anymore.
Freddie attacked the end of the half aggressively...but his team let him down...on both sides of the ball. Apparently, with Freddie's team, you have to play 'not to lose'. It's sad when you have to play scared.....scared that your guys are about to fuck up.
Well, there is that. Although the D hadn't been getting gaffed up to that point, I certainly wasn't all that confident that they could just 3 & out them. And certainly after they took it down the field for a TD and got the 2 point conversion, I wasn't confident in our D at all anymore.
Freddie attacked the end of the half aggressively...but his team let him down...on both sides of the ball. Apparently, with Freddie's team, you have to play 'not to lose'. It's sad when you have to play scared.....scared that your guys are about to fuck up.
Those are actually fair points. I guess the counter-argument is that you shouldn't put your team in that situation, but you're absolutely right. The coach SHOULDN'T have to worry about you effing up, he should be expecting you to make the plays. If you're Freddie, you have to be thinking, "Are you effing serious? You assholes can't complete ONE slant in the endzone?"
Let's look at that Landry interception. At first I thought it was a terrible decision to make the throw, but upon review, Landry was freaking open, if only a little bit. As I just referenced in my previous post, our stars simply don't make plays when we need them. Baker's throw was absolutely TERRIBLE. It's not a stretch to say that I could have made a better toss there. Why? Because even I know that ball has to be inside, LOW, and either caught by my guy or the dirt. Literally, Baker threw the ball to the ONE place he couldn't...it's...unbelievable really. (what's also unbelievable is that Baker threw a low, inside ball to Calloway who somehow popped it up to a defender. I mean, wtf. Even when we MAKE the play, we can't MAKE the play?!)
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