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  • @gumby73 said:

    saw it & not buying any of it.. John Clayton is the biggest Hawks fan known to mankind..I believe he lives there & host a KIRO radio show from Seattle..Still a heavy metal rocker but Clayton would stir the pot for solely ESPN ranking, just like the others that still rein at that network.."There was a lot of Talk"😉 yep..got it..the guy in section 333 can source that.. 

    Don't believe that rumor but if Freddie coaches a losing season or misses the playoffs, I think they'll cut their losses. Freddie's aggressive playcalling is advertising for his next job if things don't work out here.

    @mddawg said:

    Don't believe that rumor but if Freddie coaches a losing season or misses the playoffs, I think they'll cut their losses. Freddie's aggressive playcalling is advertising for his next job if things don't work out here.

    you bet....can't believe this mgmt team screwed everything up yet again by hiring him....loved him as the oc...he's not a hc, at least to this point....2 and 5 is on the way, then you might hear more about him getting fired....pats on the road...you can count on a 2-5 flight home.....

  • @bjh2130 said:

    1) He ran a slant in the red zone 90 percent of routes are slants digs (both inside breaking) and a fade inside the redzone. So he could make a pretty educated guess but Griffin was still beat to the inside on the slant. Or did he know Baker was gonna throw it high and behind him also? Not saying you're full of shit larry just that griffin isn't some savant for guessing it was going to be a slant (that he was still beat on lol).

    2) So clayton knew before the game (pregame) happened there was chaos dysfunction and freddie was almost fired after the game? 

    "In fact, there were some rumors when I was in the Browns pregame, that he could've gotten fired after this game, b/c they're going to be sitting 2-5"

    that's some wizardry shit right there.

    1) all dat true.  🙂  

    2) Clayton got that tip from Incarcerated Bob.  🙂 

    @hoorta said:

    1) all dat true.  🙂  

    2) Clayton got that tip from Incarcerated Bob.  🙂 

    if it was adam shefter i would believe it to be true...he's pretty acurate in his reporting...clayton...ehhhhh, i don't know

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Trying to force scoring and forcibly taking the ball and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose, IMO.

    Trying to force scoring:    I don't think 'force' is the right word.  I think he wanted to score a TD.  They were coming down the field with an uptempo game, keeping Seattle's D on it's heels.  He obviously did not want to break that roll they were on and figured it gave them the best chance of scoring a TD.  Yes.  He could've stopped everything, including the momentum, for the sake of a clock on a wall.

    and forcibly taking the ball:   So we shouldn't try and do that?

    and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose:   hmmm.......

    The alternative was to play for a FG.  It was 2nd and 8.  We could've let the clock run another 10-12 seconds and ran the ball.  Seattle will use it's last TO.  Now it's 3rd and what?  Six, FIve?  We throw a pass  (say we luck out and it's not intercepted, just incomplete).  We kick the FG.  Seattle's got maybe 20 seconds less than what we actually left them...but they don't have their final TO.  They STILL get down there for a FG at least.

    I would've called TO and stopped the momentum, used up their final TO, and take a shot at the end zone (which could have been picked off...just like what DID happen) before kicking the FG.  But if I was coaching the Patriots I might have done it.

    @orion said:

    Trying to force scoring:    I don't think 'force' is the right word.  I think he wanted to score a TD.  They were coming down the field with an uptempo game, keeping Seattle's D on it's heels.  He obviously did not want to break that roll they were on and figured it gave them the best chance of scoring a TD.  Yes.  He could've stopped everything, including the momentum, for the sake of a clock on a wall.

    and forcibly taking the ball:   So we shouldn't try and do that?

    and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose:   hmmm.......

    The alternative was to play for a FG.  It was 2nd and 8.  We could've let the clock run another 10-12 seconds and ran the ball.  Seattle will use it's last TO.  Now it's 3rd and what?  Six, FIve?  We throw a pass  (say we luck out and it's not intercepted, just incomplete).  We kick the FG.  Seattle's got maybe 20 seconds less than what we actually left them...but they don't have their final TO.  They STILL get down there for a FG at least.

    I would've called TO and stopped the momentum, used up their final TO, and take a shot at the end zone (which could have been picked off...just like what DID happen) before kicking the FG.  But if I was coaching the Patriots I might have done it.

    Nope, we run the ball again. Seattle is out of TOs and besides the play we bleed 45 seconds off the clock before we kick a FG, or Chubb scores a TD. . 

  • @orion said:

    Trying to force scoring:    I don't think 'force' is the right word.  I think he wanted to score a TD.  They were coming down the field with an uptempo game, keeping Seattle's D on it's heels.  He obviously did not want to break that roll they were on and figured it gave them the best chance of scoring a TD.  Yes.  He could've stopped everything, including the momentum, for the sake of a clock on a wall.

    and forcibly taking the ball:   So we shouldn't try and do that?

    and scoring again so your opponent can’t catch you is playing to lose:   hmmm.......

    The alternative was to play for a FG.  It was 2nd and 8.  We could've let the clock run another 10-12 seconds and ran the ball.  Seattle will use it's last TO.  Now it's 3rd and what?  Six, FIve?  We throw a pass  (say we luck out and it's not intercepted, just incomplete).  We kick the FG.  Seattle's got maybe 20 seconds less than what we actually left them...but they don't have their final TO.  They STILL get down there for a FG at least.

    I would've called TO and stopped the momentum, used up their final TO, and take a shot at the end zone (which could have been picked off...just like what DID happen) before kicking the FG.  But if I was coaching the Patriots I might have done it.

    Nope, we run the ball again. Seattle is out of TOs and besides the play we bleed 45 seconds off the clock before we kick a FG, or Chubb scores a TD. . 

    @hoorta said:

    Nope, we run the ball again

    Yes, you could do that.  In my book I call that playing for the 3 points and going to the half.  2nd and 8 from the 10.  Two runs.  If they can spring him and he scores then it's gravy.

  • @hoorta said:

    Nope, we run the ball again

    Yes, you could do that.  In my book I call that playing for the 3 points and going to the half.  2nd and 8 from the 10.  Two runs.  If they can spring him and he scores then it's gravy.

    @orion said:

    Yes, you could do that.  In my book I call that playing for the 3 points and going to the half.  2nd and 8 from the 10.  Two runs.  If they can spring him and he scores then it's gravy.

    The red zone offense has been bad. Nick Chubb has been GOOD. With good blocking maybe he would’ve scored.

    On third down, an easy completion type of throw, maybe a drag route to Callaway would be a logical type of pass play with a Chubb as an outlet. With OBJ working the deeper route in case the short is covered up.. Landry just get open, have an option route to find the soft spot..

    23-12, opposed to almost case 20-18

    What baffles me was the desire to score quickly, thinking that the defense is destined to get you the ball back against an elite QB in 2 minute offense. Without the 2 starting corners..

  • @orion said:

    Yes, you could do that.  In my book I call that playing for the 3 points and going to the half.  2nd and 8 from the 10.  Two runs.  If they can spring him and he scores then it's gravy.

    The red zone offense has been bad. Nick Chubb has been GOOD. With good blocking maybe he would’ve scored.

    On third down, an easy completion type of throw, maybe a drag route to Callaway would be a logical type of pass play with a Chubb as an outlet. With OBJ working the deeper route in case the short is covered up.. Landry just get open, have an option route to find the soft spot..

    23-12, opposed to almost case 20-18

    What baffles me was the desire to score quickly, thinking that the defense is destined to get you the ball back against an elite QB in 2 minute offense. Without the 2 starting corners..

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    What baffles me was the desire to score quickly, thinking that the defense is destined to get you the ball back 

    Well, there is that.  Although the D hadn't been getting gaffed up to that point, I certainly wasn't all that confident that they could just 3 & out them.  And certainly after they took it down the field for a TD and got the 2 point conversion, I wasn't confident in our D at all anymore.

    Freddie attacked the end of the half aggressively...but his team let him down...on both sides of the ball.  Apparently, with Freddie's team, you have to play 'not to lose'.  It's sad when you have to play scared.....scared that your guys are about to fuck up.

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    What baffles me was the desire to score quickly, thinking that the defense is destined to get you the ball back 

    Well, there is that.  Although the D hadn't been getting gaffed up to that point, I certainly wasn't all that confident that they could just 3 & out them.  And certainly after they took it down the field for a TD and got the 2 point conversion, I wasn't confident in our D at all anymore.

    Freddie attacked the end of the half aggressively...but his team let him down...on both sides of the ball.  Apparently, with Freddie's team, you have to play 'not to lose'.  It's sad when you have to play scared.....scared that your guys are about to fuck up.

    @orion said:

    Well, there is that.  Although the D hadn't been getting gaffed up to that point, I certainly wasn't all that confident that they could just 3 & out them.  And certainly after they took it down the field for a TD and got the 2 point conversion, I wasn't confident in our D at all anymore.

    Freddie attacked the end of the half aggressively...but his team let him down...on both sides of the ball.  Apparently, with Freddie's team, you have to play 'not to lose'.  It's sad when you have to play scared.....scared that your guys are about to fuck up.

    Those are actually fair points. I guess the counter-argument is that you shouldn't put your team in that situation, but you're absolutely right. The coach SHOULDN'T have to worry about you effing up, he should be expecting you to make the plays. If you're Freddie, you have to be thinking, "Are you effing serious? You assholes can't complete ONE slant in the endzone?" 

    Let's look at that Landry interception. At first I thought it was a terrible decision to make the throw, but upon review, Landry was freaking open, if only a little bit. As I just referenced in my previous post, our stars simply don't make plays when we need them. Baker's throw was absolutely TERRIBLE. It's not a stretch to say that I could have made a better toss there. Why? Because even I know that ball has to be inside, LOW, and either caught by my guy or the dirt. Literally, Baker threw the ball to the ONE place he couldn't...it's...unbelievable really. (what's also unbelievable is that Baker threw a low, inside ball to Calloway who somehow popped it up to a defender. I mean, wtf. Even when we MAKE the play, we can't MAKE the play?!) 

  • @orion said:

    Yes, you could do that.  In my book I call that playing for the 3 points and going to the half.  2nd and 8 from the 10.  Two runs.  If they can spring him and he scores then it's gravy.

    The red zone offense has been bad. Nick Chubb has been GOOD. With good blocking maybe he would’ve scored.

    On third down, an easy completion type of throw, maybe a drag route to Callaway would be a logical type of pass play with a Chubb as an outlet. With OBJ working the deeper route in case the short is covered up.. Landry just get open, have an option route to find the soft spot..

    23-12, opposed to almost case 20-18

    What baffles me was the desire to score quickly, thinking that the defense is destined to get you the ball back against an elite QB in 2 minute offense. Without the 2 starting corners..

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    What baffles me was the desire to score quickly, thinking that the defense is destined to get you the ball back against an elite QB in 2 minute offense. Without the 2 starting corners..

    This is why I call BS on Freddie's explanation of his decision. We were playing against the top rated QB in the league who at the minimum would've played keepaway.

  • @hoorta said:

    It's  possible  Baker is  over  thinking things. Or Freddie is running the  same plays he did  last year, and opposing defenses now have formational  clues. Griffin  claimed he  knew  what Landry was going to do on the int.

    He ran a slant in the red zone 90 percent of routes are slants digs (both inside breaking) and a fade inside the redzone. So he could make a pretty educated guess but Griffin was still beat to the inside on the slant. Or did he know Baker was gonna throw it high and behind him also? Not saying you're full of shit larry just that griffin isn't some savant for guessing it was going to be a slant (that he was still beat on lol).

    So clayton knew before the game (pregame) happened there was chaos dysfunction and freddie was almost fired after the game? 

    "In fact, there were some rumors when I was in the Browns pregame, that he could've gotten fired after this game, b/c they're going to be sitting 2-5"

    that's some wizardry shit right there.

    @bjh2130 said:

    .........So clayton knew before the game (pregame) happened there was chaos dysfunction and freddie was almost fired after the game? 

    "In fact, there were some rumors when I was in the Browns pregame, that he could've gotten fired after this game, b/c they're going to be sitting 2-5"

    that's some wizardry shit right there.

    Right.  There's nothing like the weekly or daily rumor mill for juicy stories.

    And writers and reporters on deadlines just love the latest stories.

    .......not that the two are in any way related.....just sayin'.     😉

  • @orion said:

    Well, there is that.  Although the D hadn't been getting gaffed up to that point, I certainly wasn't all that confident that they could just 3 & out them.  And certainly after they took it down the field for a TD and got the 2 point conversion, I wasn't confident in our D at all anymore.

    Freddie attacked the end of the half aggressively...but his team let him down...on both sides of the ball.  Apparently, with Freddie's team, you have to play 'not to lose'.  It's sad when you have to play scared.....scared that your guys are about to fuck up.

    Those are actually fair points. I guess the counter-argument is that you shouldn't put your team in that situation, but you're absolutely right. The coach SHOULDN'T have to worry about you effing up, he should be expecting you to make the plays. If you're Freddie, you have to be thinking, "Are you effing serious? You assholes can't complete ONE slant in the endzone?" 

    Let's look at that Landry interception. At first I thought it was a terrible decision to make the throw, but upon review, Landry was freaking open, if only a little bit. As I just referenced in my previous post, our stars simply don't make plays when we need them. Baker's throw was absolutely TERRIBLE. It's not a stretch to say that I could have made a better toss there. Why? Because even I know that ball has to be inside, LOW, and either caught by my guy or the dirt. Literally, Baker threw the ball to the ONE place he couldn't...it's...unbelievable really. (what's also unbelievable is that Baker threw a low, inside ball to Calloway who somehow popped it up to a defender. I mean, wtf. Even when we MAKE the play, we can't MAKE the play?!) 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Those are actually fair points. I guess the counter-argument is that you shouldn't put your team in that situation, but you're absolutely right. The coach SHOULDN'T have to worry about you effing up, he should be expecting you to make the plays. If you're Freddie, you have to be thinking, "Are you effing serious? You assholes can't complete ONE slant in the endzone?" 

    Let's look at that Landry interception. At first I thought it was a terrible decision to make the throw, but upon review, Landry was freaking open, if only a little bit. As I just referenced in my previous post, our stars simply don't make plays when we need them. Baker's throw was absolutely TERRIBLE. It's not a stretch to say that I could have made a better toss there. Why? Because even I know that ball has to be inside, LOW, and either caught by my guy or the dirt. Literally, Baker threw the ball to the ONE place he couldn't...it's...unbelievable really. (what's also unbelievable is that Baker threw a low, inside ball to Calloway who somehow popped it up to a defender. I mean, wtf. Even when we MAKE the play, we can't MAKE the play?!) 

    The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    Those are actually fair points. I guess the counter-argument is that you shouldn't put your team in that situation, but you're absolutely right. The coach SHOULDN'T have to worry about you effing up, he should be expecting you to make the plays. If you're Freddie, you have to be thinking, "Are you effing serious? You assholes can't complete ONE slant in the endzone?" 

    Let's look at that Landry interception. At first I thought it was a terrible decision to make the throw, but upon review, Landry was freaking open, if only a little bit. As I just referenced in my previous post, our stars simply don't make plays when we need them. Baker's throw was absolutely TERRIBLE. It's not a stretch to say that I could have made a better toss there. Why? Because even I know that ball has to be inside, LOW, and either caught by my guy or the dirt. Literally, Baker threw the ball to the ONE place he couldn't...it's...unbelievable really. (what's also unbelievable is that Baker threw a low, inside ball to Calloway who somehow popped it up to a defender. I mean, wtf. Even when we MAKE the play, we can't MAKE the play?!) 

    The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.

    @mddawg said:

    The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.

    That is a good question, what exactly changed or happened?  Young Mr Mayfield put up rookie numbers only second only to what another recent young quarterback Patrick Mahomes put up in 2018.  He led the team to 7 victories and almost more last year so it can't be that he just can't do it, he DID it.

    The new receiving corp except maybe for the early injury to the key TE is better on paper.  Chubb has been outstanding as a part of the offense so no apparent reason there.    Undisclosed or hidden injuries? Coaching changes or game management? Is the OL that bad?  Or could it be off-field distractions.....hmmmmm.

    I've never really bought the "sophomore jinx" excuse a player should be better from year 1 to 2.

    Or will a few victories In a row somehow cure this and we'll go back to talking about winning the division or wild card spots?

    I don't think that we have the answers that lies with the FO, coaches and players themselves.

    GO BROWNS, just win something.....baby!

  • @mddawg said:

    The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.

    That is a good question, what exactly changed or happened?  Young Mr Mayfield put up rookie numbers only second only to what another recent young quarterback Patrick Mahomes put up in 2018.  He led the team to 7 victories and almost more last year so it can't be that he just can't do it, he DID it.

    The new receiving corp except maybe for the early injury to the key TE is better on paper.  Chubb has been outstanding as a part of the offense so no apparent reason there.    Undisclosed or hidden injuries? Coaching changes or game management? Is the OL that bad?  Or could it be off-field distractions.....hmmmmm.

    I've never really bought the "sophomore jinx" excuse a player should be better from year 1 to 2.

    Or will a few victories In a row somehow cure this and we'll go back to talking about winning the division or wild card spots?

    I don't think that we have the answers that lies with the FO, coaches and players themselves.

    GO BROWNS, just win something.....baby!

    @mjp28 said:

    That is a good question, what exactly changed or happened?  Young Mr Mayfield put up rookie numbers only second only to what another recent young quarterback Patrick Mahomes put up in 2018.  He led the team to 7 victories and almost more last year so it can't be that he just can't do it, he DID it.

    This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year? 

    Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers. 

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    Those are actually fair points. I guess the counter-argument is that you shouldn't put your team in that situation, but you're absolutely right. The coach SHOULDN'T have to worry about you effing up, he should be expecting you to make the plays. If you're Freddie, you have to be thinking, "Are you effing serious? You assholes can't complete ONE slant in the endzone?" 

    Let's look at that Landry interception. At first I thought it was a terrible decision to make the throw, but upon review, Landry was freaking open, if only a little bit. As I just referenced in my previous post, our stars simply don't make plays when we need them. Baker's throw was absolutely TERRIBLE. It's not a stretch to say that I could have made a better toss there. Why? Because even I know that ball has to be inside, LOW, and either caught by my guy or the dirt. Literally, Baker threw the ball to the ONE place he couldn't...it's...unbelievable really. (what's also unbelievable is that Baker threw a low, inside ball to Calloway who somehow popped it up to a defender. I mean, wtf. Even when we MAKE the play, we can't MAKE the play?!) 

    The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.

    @mddawg said:

    The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season.

    Sophomore slump?

    Let's see if he can learn/grow himself through it as the  season progresses.   

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    Those are actually fair points. I guess the counter-argument is that you shouldn't put your team in that situation, but you're absolutely right. The coach SHOULDN'T have to worry about you effing up, he should be expecting you to make the plays. If you're Freddie, you have to be thinking, "Are you effing serious? You assholes can't complete ONE slant in the endzone?" 

    Let's look at that Landry interception. At first I thought it was a terrible decision to make the throw, but upon review, Landry was freaking open, if only a little bit. As I just referenced in my previous post, our stars simply don't make plays when we need them. Baker's throw was absolutely TERRIBLE. It's not a stretch to say that I could have made a better toss there. Why? Because even I know that ball has to be inside, LOW, and either caught by my guy or the dirt. Literally, Baker threw the ball to the ONE place he couldn't...it's...unbelievable really. (what's also unbelievable is that Baker threw a low, inside ball to Calloway who somehow popped it up to a defender. I mean, wtf. Even when we MAKE the play, we can't MAKE the play?!) 

    The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.

    @mddawg said:

    The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.

    Sophomore slump is a real thing in the sense that defensive coordinators get a season worth of tape on you and figure out your reads and tendencies.  Now we get to see if Baker and Freddie are the real deal and can combat the new looks defensive coordinators are giving him to confuse him. 

  • @mddawg said:

    The weird thing is Baker never made these type of awful throws last season. Only with the Browns can a QB regress so quickly and the irony is that Freddie was hired so Baker could continue to develop under the same OC, instead he's worse. Now we're in a worst case scenario: lumped with an inexperienced coach and a QB who's regressing.

    Sophomore slump is a real thing in the sense that defensive coordinators get a season worth of tape on you and figure out your reads and tendencies.  Now we get to see if Baker and Freddie are the real deal and can combat the new looks defensive coordinators are giving him to confuse him. 

    @bjh2130 said:

    Sophomore slump is a real thing in the sense that defensive coordinators get a season worth of tape on you and figure out your reads and tendencies.  Now we get to see if Baker and Freddie are the real deal and can combat the new looks defensive coordinators are giving him to confuse him. 

    There is "some" truth to that in most team sports like in baseball where they figured out Trevor Bauer and cut the plate on him or hitters where they figured out what pitches they can't hit.  The call up wonders slump rather quickly.

    Similar too to college phenoms who get into the pros and can't live up to the hype.

    Now with Mayfield maybe they're messing with his reads but it doesn't explain everything like missing wide open receivers. He's had 18 games hopefully he gets this all ironed out....and his star receivers don't drop gimmies.  

    Time will tell we just have to live through it.  🙁

  • @bjh2130 said:

    Sophomore slump is a real thing in the sense that defensive coordinators get a season worth of tape on you and figure out your reads and tendencies.  Now we get to see if Baker and Freddie are the real deal and can combat the new looks defensive coordinators are giving him to confuse him. 

    There is "some" truth to that in most team sports like in baseball where they figured out Trevor Bauer and cut the plate on him or hitters where they figured out what pitches they can't hit.  The call up wonders slump rather quickly.

    Similar too to college phenoms who get into the pros and can't live up to the hype.

    Now with Mayfield maybe they're messing with his reads but it doesn't explain everything like missing wide open receivers. He's had 18 games hopefully he gets this all ironed out....and his star receivers don't drop gimmies.  

    Time will tell we just have to live through it.  🙁

    @mjp28 said:

    There is "some" truth to that in most team sports like in baseball where they figured out Trevor Bauer and cut the plate on him or hitters where they figured out what pitches they can't hit.  The call up wonders slump rather quickly.

    Similar too to college phenoms who get into the pros and can't live up to the hype.

    Now with Mayfield maybe they're messing with his reads but it doesn't explain everything like missing wide open receivers. He's had 18 games hopefully he gets this all ironed out....and his star receivers don't drop gimmies.  

    Time will tell we just have to live through it.  🙁

    He is missing because he's pressing and his feet aren't under him. That is caused partly by being not trusting what his eyes are seeing.  For every time he has missed on a throw on "nfl open" throws there are two times where he is making the wrong read and missing wide open guys.  Usually those guys are running over the middle. 

  • @mjp28 said:

    There is "some" truth to that in most team sports like in baseball where they figured out Trevor Bauer and cut the plate on him or hitters where they figured out what pitches they can't hit.  The call up wonders slump rather quickly.

    Similar too to college phenoms who get into the pros and can't live up to the hype.

    Now with Mayfield maybe they're messing with his reads but it doesn't explain everything like missing wide open receivers. He's had 18 games hopefully he gets this all ironed out....and his star receivers don't drop gimmies.  

    Time will tell we just have to live through it.  🙁

    He is missing because he's pressing and his feet aren't under him. That is caused partly by being not trusting what his eyes are seeing.  For every time he has missed on a throw on "nfl open" throws there are two times where he is making the wrong read and missing wide open guys.  Usually those guys are running over the middle. 

    @bjh2130 said:

    He is missing because he's pressing and his feet aren't under him. That is caused partly by being not trusting what his eyes are seeing.  For every time he has missed on a throw on "nfl open" throws there are two times where he is making the wrong read and missing wide open guys.  Usually those guys are running over the middle. 

    The pick he threw in the end zone was a good example of his feet messed up. So frustrating. 

  • Freddie says:  "go ahead and try to fire me"....but you had better never go to sleep:

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    Tis the season!

  • @mjp28 said:

    That is a good question, what exactly changed or happened?  Young Mr Mayfield put up rookie numbers only second only to what another recent young quarterback Patrick Mahomes put up in 2018.  He led the team to 7 victories and almost more last year so it can't be that he just can't do it, he DID it.

    This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year? 

    Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    This is exactly what is nobody can answer. Like you said, he DID it, so why can't he CONTINUE to do it? What many will say is that teams now have film on Baker, and they know how to confuse him. I don't buy TOO much into this because it doesn't explain why Baker is missing the throws he nailed last year. Let's take that Landry interception for example. It was a truly awful throw and it boned us right between the cheeks. You could almost say that play lost us the game. Well, you remember last year playing the Broncos, and we were down like 3 points and needed a score? We had the ball around the 5 yard line, Baker audibles the play and drills Calloway with a perfect slant for the game winning TD. It's the same pass he missed to Landry. Why the hell does he miss that THIS year? 

    Our defense also doesn't do many favors. Sure, they're playing pretty well, right? But situationally...they're not making the big play. I mean, I see defensive touchdowns every week. I see pick-6's, scoop and scores, strip sacks...but never with us. Our defense gave up a TD drive before the half vs Seattle and it was crushing. Yeah, Baker threw a pick, but COME ON. Also, as weird as the game was, the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter. If you have the lead on the 4th quarter, you WIN THE GAME. You get the damn stop. We've got to figure out how to force more turnovers. 

    In all fairness, Greedy and Ward were out and Russell Wilson feasted on TJ Carrie and Mitchell. You also need good corners for an effective pass rush, another reason why Freddie should've called a ball control offense.

  • Yes, someday Freddie will be fired....

    ... but that day will not come before 2021.