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Oline Analysis: the Seahawks game

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  • nickersN nickers

    I really think Oline and LB should be the focus of next draft!

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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @nickers said:

    I really think Oline and LB should be the focus of next draft!

    But, correct me if I am wrong about the LBs....they are barely using either Avery or Takitaki, aren't they?  Shouldn't we see what they got?

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      @nickers said:

      I really think Oline and LB should be the focus of next draft!

      I agree...

      I wouldn't mind TE and DT being a priority too. 

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      @dutch-oven said:

      I agree...

      I wouldn't mind TE and DT being a priority too. 

      On a side, I never understand why the media gives over-glowing comments on Njoke as being so super talented. What has he ever done to constantly being described as such a great player? I mean, when healthy he isn't a bad player, but I don't get why so many refer to him as "super talented." He had 4 TDs all season last year. That's not exactly earth-shattering. So far he is way more potential than he is production. And after a few years of being more potential than production...well.............

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        @ibleedbrown said:

        And that’s it for the first half, whew. A few notes. Pharoah Brown really popped for me this game. I’d look for him to start taking snaps away from Harris as l think he can do anything Harris does but maybe better. Robinson continues to strike me as the guy to be replaced on the line. I would very much like to see an upgrade at LT next year.

        Man, well done. You put a lot of effort into this and I love it! 

        OK, so you're mostly right about Robinson, but the problem is that RT's don't grow on trees. Robinson isn't a worst LT in the league, but he's also far from the best. So anyone you try to replace him with is probably not going to be better. The one thing I'll say is that we can replace him with someone else who isn't as good IF the new person doesn't get the PENALTIES. That's what is killing Greg Robinson, and our coaching staff really was livid after that last Seattle holding call that essentially lost the game. 

        We're NOT going to get Trent Williams, we just can't. Why? MONEY. We have to pay a BUNCH of people, and we have to do it right now. Schobert, Tretter, Garrett, Mayfield, etc. That's a ton of cash, and if you add a premier LT salary into the mix, things get dicey. 

        I just re-watched the game, and Robinson appeared to be pretty decent. Not perfect, but he certainly wasn't whipped or anything. I'm curious, do you know where to get some grading scores? I'd be curious to see how he did via technical scoring. 

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        IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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        @jiggins7919 said:

        Man, well done. You put a lot of effort into this and I love it! 

        OK, so you're mostly right about Robinson, but the problem is that RT's don't grow on trees. Robinson isn't a worst LT in the league, but he's also far from the best. So anyone you try to replace him with is probably not going to be better. The one thing I'll say is that we can replace him with someone else who isn't as good IF the new person doesn't get the PENALTIES. That's what is killing Greg Robinson, and our coaching staff really was livid after that last Seattle holding call that essentially lost the game. 

        I just re-watched the game, and Robinson appeared to be pretty decent. Not perfect, but he certainly wasn't whipped or anything. I'm curious, do you know where to get some grading scores? I'd be curious to see how he did via technical scoring. 

        I keep seeing Robinson “grades” better than Hubbard, and both guys have  their fair share of issues. The article you posted seems to sum up my thoughts on Robinson: he’s inconsistent. At times l simply don’t like his level of effort and l see Hubbard as a guy who at least puts forth the effort on a consistent basis even if the results aren’t great. 

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        • Tour2maT Tour2ma

          @ibleedbrown said:

          And that’s it for the first half, whew. A few notes.

          lol... this kind of depth is a labor of love, isn't it? 😉

          ... but the understanding you gain plus the "other" stuff you see can make it worthwhile.

          Nice job...

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          IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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          @tour2ma said:

          lol... this kind of depth is a labor of love, isn't it? 😉

          ... but the understanding you gain plus the "other" stuff you see can make it worthwhile.

          Nice job...

          Indeed, haha! Thanks, and l can’t believe you used to break down the whole game. I’m pretty much outta steam after a half, haha.

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            @dutch-oven said:

            I agree...

            I wouldn't mind TE and DT being a priority too. 

            On a side, I never understand why the media gives over-glowing comments on Njoke as being so super talented. What has he ever done to constantly being described as such a great player? I mean, when healthy he isn't a bad player, but I don't get why so many refer to him as "super talented." He had 4 TDs all season last year. That's not exactly earth-shattering. So far he is way more potential than he is production. And after a few years of being more potential than production...well.............

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            tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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            @icecube said:

            On a side, I never understand why the media gives over-glowing comments on Njoke as being so super talented. What has he ever done to constantly being described as such a great player? I mean, when healthy he isn't a bad player, but I don't get why so many refer to him as "super talented." He had 4 TDs all season last year. That's not exactly earth-shattering. So far he is way more potential than he is production. And after a few years of being more potential than production...well.............

            He's our best redzone threat.

            Notice that we've gone away from those fades on the perimeter without him being in?   That meant a great deal to Baker.

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            Well done on these threads. I enjoyed the read and the attempts at creating a grading system.   That type of effort is always appreciated.

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              @icecube said:

              On a side, I never understand why the media gives over-glowing comments on Njoke as being so super talented. What has he ever done to constantly being described as such a great player? I mean, when healthy he isn't a bad player, but I don't get why so many refer to him as "super talented." He had 4 TDs all season last year. That's not exactly earth-shattering. So far he is way more potential than he is production. And after a few years of being more potential than production...well.............

              He's our best redzone threat.

              Notice that we've gone away from those fades on the perimeter without him being in?   That meant a great deal to Baker.

              edit:

              Well done on these threads. I enjoyed the read and the attempts at creating a grading system.   That type of effort is always appreciated.

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              @tiamat63 said:

              He's our best redzone threat.

              Notice that we've gone away from those fades on the perimeter without him being in?   That meant a great deal to Baker.

              edit:

              Well done on these threads. I enjoyed the read and the attempts at creating a grading system.   That type of effort is always appreciated.

              Their best redzone threat only got 4 TDs in a season? 

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                @tiamat63 said:

                He's our best redzone threat.

                Notice that we've gone away from those fades on the perimeter without him being in?   That meant a great deal to Baker.

                edit:

                Well done on these threads. I enjoyed the read and the attempts at creating a grading system.   That type of effort is always appreciated.

                Their best redzone threat only got 4 TDs in a season? 

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                tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                @icecube said:

                Their best redzone threat only got 4 TDs in a season? 

                Nobody on this team can highpoint a ball in the endzone like him.     Unless you have another name in mind?

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                  @tiamat63 said:

                  He's our best redzone threat.

                  Notice that we've gone away from those fades on the perimeter without him being in?   That meant a great deal to Baker.

                  edit:

                  Well done on these threads. I enjoyed the read and the attempts at creating a grading system.   That type of effort is always appreciated.

                  Their best redzone threat only got 4 TDs in a season? 

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                  @icecube said:

                  Their best redzone threat only got 4 TDs in a season? 

                  Our redzone productivity has dropped in his absence.

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                  • nickersN nickers

                    I really think Oline and LB should be the focus of next draft!

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                    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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                    @nickers said:

                    I really think Oline and LB should be the focus of next draft!

                    Top OLs from drafttek     https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NFL-Draft-Position-Rankings/Top-College-Offensive-Tackles-2020-NFL-Draft.asp

                    And Top ILBs you can find off that link.

                    CBS only gives OL classification, but you can figure out which are OTs.  https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/offensive-linemen

                    LBs the same. You have to figure out if they are OLB or ILB from that link.

                    EDIT: BTW Michael Divinity from LSU is one of my favorites. Like White last year, you know when he hits you. In fact I watched him separate ball from RB today in S. Carolina with one of those jaw rattling hits. He's a load.

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                      @nickers said:

                      I really think Oline and LB should be the focus of next draft!

                      But, correct me if I am wrong about the LBs....they are barely using either Avery or Takitaki, aren't they?  Shouldn't we see what they got?

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                      nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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                      @the-gipper said:

                      But, correct me if I am wrong about the LBs....they are barely using either Avery or Takitaki, aren't they?  Shouldn't we see what they got?

                      Yeah... I'm waiting to see what happens during the 2nd half of the season.. And like Dutch said.. I agree DT and TE could be a priority,,, but .. Lets get the trenches fixed quick!

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