Freddie fired
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I am not sure you folks understand. No real coach is willing to move to Cleveland. You get that right?
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@coachtoad said:
I am just wondering...... where does Ohio rank in education? You all seem pretty stupid. As a well educated Seahawk fan, I do find you all very amusing. I hope none of you are offended. I would even support tax credits or some kind of government assistance for all of you.
Enlighten us then oh wise fuck stick or go the fuck away. What should we be saying?
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I saw where there were about 6 or 7 first year coaches in the NFL.
Only the GB coach has a winning season, the others were as bad a record, or winless.
It's not on the coach - the Browns are playing 100% for Kitchens and the rest of the coaches.
Some of you would have fired Chuck Noll after his first year:
Chuck Noll Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro ...
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@coachtoad said:
I am just wondering...... where does Ohio rank in education? You all seem pretty stupid. As a well educated Seahawk fan, I do find you all very amusing. I hope none of you are offended. I would even support tax credits or some kind of government assistance for all of you.
Enlighten us then oh wise fuck stick or go the fuck away. What should we be saying?
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I am just wondering...... where does Ohio rank in education? You all seem pretty stupid. As a well educated Seahawk fan, I do find you all very amusing. I hope none of you are offended. I would even support tax credits or some kind of government assistance for all of you.
I am just wondering...... where does Ohio rank in education? You all seem pretty stupid. As a well educated Seahawk fan, I do find you all very amusing. I hope none of you are offended. I would even support tax credits or some kind of government assistance for all of you.
At what level? You have proven that you can apply kindergarten level insult tactics. And I doubt that your actual education is all that and a bag of chips. And at which level do you want this ranking? Grade school, high school, tech school, college, graduate level. And do rankings really matter?
And you would think then that a great education, say, like, a degree from the Wharton School of Business, would make someone come off as educated...but obviously that is not the case. On the other hand, no formal education does not necessarily prohibit someone from succcess. Abraham Lincoln had like a whole year of formal education.
But, if you insist on dick measuring contest, Right here in the quarter acre in which I sit, there will soon be 7 degrees among 4 people. 4 Bachelor degrees, a Masters, a JD, and soon a PhD.
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Now that the schedule gets somewhat easier, lets fire the coach because we lost to the really good teams.
Now that the schedule gets somewhat easier, lets fire the coach because we lost to the really good teams.
Exactly...I am still of the opinion that the Browns will compete for this division.
I will only say that, sure, the experience of the coaches in Balt. and Pitt. do give them an edge over Freddie....and that yes, Freddie is still a big, big question mark. But, often Question Marks leave others crying 96 tears.
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I am not sure you folks understand. No real coach is willing to move to Cleveland. You get that right?
I am not sure you folks understand. No real coach is willing to move to Cleveland. You get that right?
Except, of course, arguably the two best coaches in history used to coach the Browns: Paul Brown and Bill Belichick.
Art Modell fucked it up with both of them.
If you want to use your kiddiegarter insults on Modell....by all means, go at it.
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I am not sure you folks understand. No real coach is willing to move to Cleveland. You get that right?
Except, of course, arguably the two best coaches in history used to coach the Browns: Paul Brown and Bill Belichick.
Art Modell fucked it up with both of them.
If you want to use your kiddiegarter insults on Modell....by all means, go at it.
Except, of course, arguably the two best coaches in history used to coach the Browns: Paul Brown and Bill Belichick.
Art Modell fucked it up with both of them.
If you want to use your kiddiegarter insults on Modell....by all means, go at it.
First of all, that is ancient history. No real coach wants to live in Cleveland.
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I am just wondering...... where does Ohio rank in education? You all seem pretty stupid. As a well educated Seahawk fan, I do find you all very amusing. I hope none of you are offended. I would even support tax credits or some kind of government assistance for all of you.
At what level? You have proven that you can apply kindergarten level insult tactics. And I doubt that your actual education is all that and a bag of chips. And at which level do you want this ranking? Grade school, high school, tech school, college, graduate level. And do rankings really matter?
And you would think then that a great education, say, like, a degree from the Wharton School of Business, would make someone come off as educated...but obviously that is not the case. On the other hand, no formal education does not necessarily prohibit someone from succcess. Abraham Lincoln had like a whole year of formal education.
But, if you insist on dick measuring contest, Right here in the quarter acre in which I sit, there will soon be 7 degrees among 4 people. 4 Bachelor degrees, a Masters, a JD, and soon a PhD.
At what level? You have proven that you can apply kindergarten level insult tactics. And I doubt that your actual education is all that and a bag of chips. And at which level do you want this ranking? Grade school, high school, tech school, college, graduate level. And do rankings really matter?
And you would think then that a great education, say, like, a degree from the Wharton School of Business, would make someone come off as educated...but obviously that is not the case. On the other hand, no formal education does not necessarily prohibit someone from succcess. Abraham Lincoln had like a whole year of formal education.
But, if you insist on dick measuring contest, Right here in the quarter acre in which I sit, there will soon be 7 degrees among 4 people. 4 Bachelor degrees, a Masters, a JD, and soon a PhD.
Huh?
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Except, of course, arguably the two best coaches in history used to coach the Browns: Paul Brown and Bill Belichick.
Art Modell fucked it up with both of them.
If you want to use your kiddiegarter insults on Modell....by all means, go at it.
First of all, that is ancient history. No real coach wants to live in Cleveland.
First of all, that is ancient history. No real coach wants to live in Cleveland.
How are the Sonics doing bro?
Wouldn't it be cool if you could go to their forum?
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First of all, that is ancient history. No real coach wants to live in Cleveland.
How are the Sonics doing bro?
Wouldn't it be cool if you could go to their forum?
How are the Sonics doing bro?
Wouldn't it be cool if you could go to their forum?
I hate the NBA almost as bad as Lebron hates Cleveland. Glad we are getting the NHL. NBA is a joke. That Tristian Thompson is a fine citizen though!
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I don't know what firing him right now does. I do think he's got no chance at keeping a job, but I'll also say the players haven't helped him out. Freddie can't help Chubb protect the ball. Freddie can't block the DL that Baker threw the ball to. Freddie can't tell Higgins not to push off. Freddie can't throw it to OBJ. Freddie can't help Denzel Ward catch the easy interception in the end zone.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's in way over his head, but our players have been terrible. Our players simply REFUSE to make plays consistently.
I don't know what firing him right now does. I do think he's got no chance at keeping a job, but I'll also say the players haven't helped him out. Freddie can't help Chubb protect the ball. Freddie can't block the DL that Baker threw the ball to. Freddie can't tell Higgins not to push off. Freddie can't throw it to OBJ. Freddie can't help Denzel Ward catch the easy interception in the end zone.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's in way over his head, but our players have been terrible. Our players simply REFUSE to make plays consistently.
Maybe I should start a poll, are the Browns cursed, or what?
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Absolutely comical reading this thread and seeing people out there who believe the Head Freaking Coach has no influence on ball handling, penalties, attention to detail, discipline. I can't believe what I'm freaking reading.
This is an absolute shit show that falls squarely onto the shoulders of the head coach. And it's not the play calling, I think the play calling has been generally fine this year, except for maybe being completely unprepared for San Francisco. The lack of attention to details and lack of discipline is stunning and the Head coach has MAJOR inlfuence of that. These are things that should have been ironed out in July and August while Freddie had them bashing each others heads into mush. We've done stuff for seven weeks that the Patriots NEVER do. It absolutely has EVERYTHING to do with coaching.
Put Belichick on the Browns, Kitches on the Pats, and the result is flipped. Not a doubt in my mind.
Listen, I wanted Kitchens too, but it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that he was a tremendous mistake. I admit I was a moron for wanting him. It's not that hard to admit when it's this obvious. MAN UP. There's a reason this guy hadn't even been a coordinator yet.
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I don't know what firing him right now does. I do think he's got no chance at keeping a job, but I'll also say the players haven't helped him out. Freddie can't help Chubb protect the ball. Freddie can't block the DL that Baker threw the ball to. Freddie can't tell Higgins not to push off. Freddie can't throw it to OBJ. Freddie can't help Denzel Ward catch the easy interception in the end zone.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's in way over his head, but our players have been terrible. Our players simply REFUSE to make plays consistently.
Maybe I should start a poll, are the Browns cursed, or what?
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I don't know what firing him right now does. I do think he's got no chance at keeping a job, but I'll also say the players haven't helped him out. Freddie can't help Chubb protect the ball. Freddie can't block the DL that Baker threw the ball to. Freddie can't tell Higgins not to push off. Freddie can't throw it to OBJ. Freddie can't help Denzel Ward catch the easy interception in the end zone.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's in way over his head, but our players have been terrible. Our players simply REFUSE to make plays consistently.
Maybe I should start a poll, are the Browns cursed, or what?
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Freddie ia a terrible head coach but there is a reason he's the head coach, no one worth a lick wants to coach this dumpster fire of a team. Look at the last 3 head coaches, a lack of experience and unproven.
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Freddie ia a terrible head coach but there is a reason he's the head coach, no one worth a lick wants to coach this dumpster fire of a team. Look at the last 3 head coaches, a lack of experience and unproven.
Freddie ia a terrible head coach but there is a reason he's the head coach, no one worth a lick wants to coach this dumpster fire of a team. Look at the last 3 head coaches, a lack of experience and unproven.
Partially because established and winning head coaches might just possibly have another job already?
Plus it's usually a sucker's bet to think that picking an apple off a winning coaches tree, like Belichick, doesn't often work out. Like hiring Bill Wyman to play bass and wondering why your band isn't as good as the Rolling Stones.
Adam gase? Bruce Arians? Just for the record if we were not worried that Freddie would have gone elsewhere I'd have liked to see him stay at OC and keep Gregg Williams as head coach.
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In case you weren't watching the game, let me be sure to remind you of what Freddie decided to do.
4th and 11 in a two score game, Freddie first decides to punt the ball (stupid). Realizes he made stupid mistake. Instead of using timeout, intentionally takes a delay of game penalty to make the 4th down play 4th and 16 that was game over if you don't get it. Of course they don't (because stupid) and we have the result we saw. This isn't "rookie learning curve". That's incompetence of the highest order. Rex Ryan was crying he was laughing so hard at how bad that decision was.
As has been posted, I was intrigued by giving Freddie a shot and maybe having our lightning in a bottle. But peeps, this isn't "rookie coaching mistakes". The game is simply too fast for him right now, and it's resulting in incompetence, discipline penalties, and results where we are. I never really think there's a reason to fire someone 1/2 way, but I just hope unless we see some unbelievable shift we cut bait. It's clear as day Freddie just doesn't have the chops to do this.
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Except, of course, arguably the two best coaches in history used to coach the Browns: Paul Brown and Bill Belichick.
Art Modell fucked it up with both of them.
If you want to use your kiddiegarter insults on Modell....by all means, go at it.
First of all, that is ancient history. No real coach wants to live in Cleveland.
First of all, that is ancient history. No real coach wants to live in Cleveland.
Well....all you know is ancient history apparently with your thinking that Cleveland is still polluted.
Beyond that, Prove it. Provide affidavits. And give us a list of whom you think these "real coaches" might be.
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