But really, What is the major malfunction?
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SOMEBODY knows! SOMEBODY in the Berea complex knows!
I doubt that it's all on Zeitler and Duke being traded.
Is it the plays? Who's playbook are we using? Freddie's? Monken's? A mixture? Do we need to bring back the modified Todd Haley playbook of the latter half of last season? We've got the same guy CALLING the plays.
We've added OBJ. He was supposed to make Callaway & Higgins much more productive. They're not. Higgins can't even see the field because Freddie hates him so much. WTF did he do. He's not talkin'. Baker is NOT the same as last year. It seems like he's in a universe that is quite different than from whence he came.
- I'm not even talking about the defense. We no longer have Peppers playing goalie while everyone else is on the other side of the 50....
Everybody always wants to blame the play caller. Bruce Ariens was blamed for our offensive problems years ago. But he proved it wasn't his fault.
I think it's the plays themselves. (although I wouldn't bet my vette on it) I bet if we went back to that simplified Haley playbook of last year we'd do better. But it also could be the defenses that we've faced so far (it doesn't get any easier this week against the Bills).
Of course, everyone and their brother, the media, including the weather man, wants Freddie fired. But those same people wanted Bill Belleyache fired too.
Now, if I'm right, and it's the plays themselves, their design.....then Freddie will have to be fired because he's not relinquishing his playbook and not giving up the play calling. And I don't think he's regarded as the best game time decision manager at this point in time.
I heard Freddie defend why Hilliard was in the backfield on 4th and 1 instead of Chubb. He said that Hilliard was their 3rd down back and that perhaps they might honor the pass instead of just keying the QB sneak. But I think with 67 checking in as an eligible receiver and a tightly stacked line, Hilliard wasn't gonna get it and that it was a QB sneak, whereas with Chubb being back there then the QB sneak might have come into question....and that Chubb may be getting it so, keep your head up for that instead of just hitting the LOS.
I dunno. I'm surprised that at this point in the season we're not good enough to win.
I didn't drink the cool-aide. I didn't think that the kid who snuck onto the roster and returned a punt for a TD in preseason would make the team, and I didn't think that we would be winning the super bowl. I had us at 9-7......racking up wins in the latter half of the season. I suppose that could still happen.....but I'm not feeling it any more.
I'm sooooooo confused........(and disappointed....disappointed for me, the rest of us fans, and for the players).
We're cursed.
We're cursed.
I thought you stormed off and quit this board?
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people are pissed off about Baker missing OBJ on the last 4th down play, and I was one of them. However, Baker made the correct read to Landry but he made it too LATE. Landry was briefly open and it would have been an easy throw
I have been noticing that this year. During replays sometimes you can see that his man was open, he sees but hesitates, then throws it too late and it's defended or is delivered behind the receiver because he can't lead him into the defender who is NOW 'in play' whereas he wouldn't have been if he threw it on time. It's like, THIS YEAR, the game is just a little too fast for him.
I have been noticing that this year. During replays sometimes you can see that his man was open, he sees but hesitates, then throws it too late and it's defended or is delivered behind the receiver because he can't lead him into the defender who is NOW 'in play' whereas he wouldn't have been if he threw it on time. It's like, THIS YEAR, the game is just a little too fast for him.
Check out this article explaining our 3rd and 4th downs. I'm actually going to post it as its own thread because I think it's that important and many people will be shocked when they read it. The article is very well done and incorporates several videos to illustrate its points. The play we're discussing on that 4th down is super awful for a few reasons. First, like we said, Baker was late to Landry. Secondly, Harris HAD to run the wrong route or our offensive coaches are MORONS. You never want to have two receivers occupying the same part of the field like that! Had Harris gone vertical or to the outside, he would've taken his defender with him.
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Zombo said:
First and foremost... it's Baker. Our defense isnt great, but it would be good enough if we were scoring like the second half of last year. Our quarterback play is near the bottom of the league and that is how you lose.
So how do you make him more effective? Hunt will help. If Nojoku comes back that will help. Those guys can catch the short routes and free up Landry and OBJ downfield.
The Higgins thing is a mystery to me too. Why isnt he playing? I smell Dorsey on that one. But Baker likes him, so play him.
Then there are Baker's blockers. We've got two starters on a healthy offensive line that are two of the worst at their position in the league... RG and LT. That's on Dorsey. But Joe Thomas and Kevin Zeitler aren't walking through that door, so we have to scheme better to protect our weaknesses and give Baker a chance to get his mojo back.
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Well, there is all that, but mostly, I view it as poor coaching, scheming, play calling. Not that Baker and others are blameless, but the fact is, a guy like John Harbaugh can take a less talented team and win some big games, and Freddie can't win games against weak opponents.
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Zombo said:
First and foremost... it's Baker. Our defense isnt great, but it would be good enough if we were scoring like the second half of last year. Our quarterback play is near the bottom of the league and that is how you lose.
So how do you make him more effective? Hunt will help. If Nojoku comes back that will help. Those guys can catch the short routes and free up Landry and OBJ downfield.
The Higgins thing is a mystery to me too. Why isnt he playing? I smell Dorsey on that one. But Baker likes him, so play him.
Then there are Baker's blockers. We've got two starters on a healthy offensive line that are two of the worst at their position in the league... RG and LT. That's on Dorsey. But Joe Thomas and Kevin Zeitler aren't walking through that door, so we have to scheme better to protect our weaknesses and give Baker a chance to get his mojo back.
Z
Well, there is all that, but mostly, I view it as poor coaching, scheming, play calling. Not that Baker and others are blameless, but the fact is, a guy like John Harbaugh can take a less talented team and win some big games, and Freddie can't win games against weak opponents.
a guy like John Harbaugh can take a less talented team and win some big games, and Freddie can't win games against weak opponents.
The best teams with "less talent" have way stronger Offensive lines. We do not have that and it shows.
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a guy like John Harbaugh can take a less talented team and win some big games, and Freddie can't win games against weak opponents.
The best teams with "less talent" have way stronger Offensive lines. We do not have that and it shows.
The best teams with "less talent" have way stronger Offensive lines. We do not have that and it shows.
That is a factor, sure. Not, to my mind, a determining factor.
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The best teams with "less talent" have way stronger Offensive lines. We do not have that and it shows.
That is a factor, sure. Not, to my mind, a determining factor.
That is a factor, sure. Not, to my mind, a determining factor.
Kitchens certainly isn’t Harbaugh but he is only halfway through his first season as an HC. Also coaching one of the youngest teams in the league.
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The problem is plan to see. To use a golf analogy, Baker and Fred are pressing. Last year there was no pressure and they didn’t know what they had and Fred was just a play caller. Now bakers has expectations. Fred is running the show. So they have dialed back the big plays for “safe” plays and it’s back fired bad.
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Zombo said:
First and foremost... it's Baker.... Our quarterback play is near the bottom of the league and that is how you lose. Yup. That's the 800 lb gorilla.
So how do you make him more effective? Hunt will help. If Nojoku comes back that will help. Those guys can catch the short routes and free up Landry and OBJ downfield. Personally, I'd like to see Landry in the slot...the Edleman of the Browns. We miss Njoku.
The Higgins thing is a mystery to me too. Wouldn't ya like to know what he said about Freddie's wife that got him so far at the end of the bench? The guy can catch! But Fred Belichick won'i play him.
Then there are Baker's blockers.
Z
I love Dorsey. But he screwed up by sending our good RG away because he thought Corbette was gonna step in there and play well. - Bad enough he DRAFTED Corbette, but he traded away the GOOD guy. That's like dribbling the basketball off your foot and then fouling the guy who recovered it.
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The QB coach was calling the plays last year after Haley was canned . Fat Freddy took credit for it. The QB coach wasn’t retained.
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Njoku coming back oh joy. Good for one stupid penalty each game, one drop on a crucial third down and a couple missed blocks for TFLs.
but then he makes some high point lobbed Ball catch and then we cycle back to the beginning
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Damn dude, that's straight fire. It's really looking that way.
It's straight stupid. You literally could see Freddie calling in plays last year on the headset. Or was that all a ruse too? Damn Freddie is a genius to go so far as to talk into a dead headset to make it look like he was calling plays. Also there must have been a "ken zampese" type guy calling plays for the bears nagy and trubisky last year. Only explanation as to why mitch and the bears offense is so bad this year after being very dangerous last year. No way did other teams get lots of film to look over and figure out ways to cause a young qb struggle and make him regress.
It's up to Freddie and Baker to make the adjustment now to how the defense adjusted. Im not happy it's taken this long but don't believe the fat walrus bob Wylie who had an axe to grind with freddie for not retaining him
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The QB coach was calling the plays last year after Haley was canned . Fat Freddy took credit for it. The QB coach wasn’t retained.
Damn dude, that's straight fire. It's really looking that way.
Refresh my memory...who was that QB coach? I never thought about this....but it could indeed be a big factor.
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So how do you make him more effective? Hunt will help. If Nojoku comes back that will help. Those guys can catch the short routes and free up Landry and OBJ downfield. Personally, I'd like to see Landry in the slot...the Edleman of the Browns. We miss Njoku.
I thought Landry WAS supposed to be the slot receiver, with OBJ and either Callaway or Higgins on the outsides. To me, this is just another coaching fuckup where players are being misused/misplaced.
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The QB coach was calling the plays last year after Haley was canned . Fat Freddy took credit for it. The QB coach wasn’t retained.
Damn dude, that's straight fire. It's really looking that way.
Refresh my memory...who was that QB coach? I never thought about this....but it could indeed be a big factor.
The QB coach was calling the plays last year after Haley was canned . Fat Freddy took credit for it. The QB coach wasn’t retained.
Damn dude, that's straight fire. It's really looking that way.
Refresh my memory...who was that QB coach? I never thought about this....but it could indeed be a big factor.
Ken zampese
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When does the defense start taking responsibility for they're ineptness? They look slow.. uninterested and bamboozled on idiot plays... It's time they get some of the shit being slung Freddie and Bakers way...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
When does the defense start taking responsibility for they're ineptness? They look slow.. uninterested and bamboozled on idiot plays... It's time they get some of the shit being slung Freddie and Bakers way...
When does the defense start taking responsibility for they're ineptness? They look slow.. uninterested and bamboozled on idiot plays... It's time they get some of the shit being slung Freddie and Bakers way...
Except for the Rams game, our defense just hasn't gotten the game-changing stop. When we ABSOLUTELY needed a stop, we couldn't get it in so many games. Seahawks game before half, Seahawks game in the 4th quarter, Broncos game where we didn't get the 4th down QB sneak and then allowed Broncos to go all the way down the field. We can't get the stop, get the turnover, the sack...or hell...maybe SCORE a touchdown for the team. Man, just one TD could've changed so much.
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When does the defense start taking responsibility for they're ineptness? They look slow.. uninterested and bamboozled on idiot plays... It's time they get some of the shit being slung Freddie and Bakers way...
Except for the Rams game, our defense just hasn't gotten the game-changing stop. When we ABSOLUTELY needed a stop, we couldn't get it in so many games. Seahawks game before half, Seahawks game in the 4th quarter, Broncos game where we didn't get the 4th down QB sneak and then allowed Broncos to go all the way down the field. We can't get the stop, get the turnover, the sack...or hell...maybe SCORE a touchdown for the team. Man, just one TD could've changed so much.
Except for the Rams game, our defense just hasn't gotten the game-changing stop. When we ABSOLUTELY needed a stop, we couldn't get it in so many games. Seahawks game before half, Seahawks game in the 4th quarter, Broncos game where we didn't get the 4th down QB sneak and then allowed Broncos to go all the way down the field. We can't get the stop, get the turnover, the sack...or hell...maybe SCORE a touchdown for the team. Man, just one TD could've changed so much.
This is why I feel Myles Garrett is OVERRATED!.. He never makes the "Game Changing Play" He DOES NOT dominate games that you expect a "Generational" player to dominate. He's not a Bruce Smith or Reggie White type.. He's a tier below. This is what we drafted Garrett to be.. It's his 3rd year... So far.. I'm not impressed... He's good.. but not GREAT! Now sure.. the rest of the defense is struggling.. I get that.. As a whole.. so far... They stink!..
Hey, Tour de France the King of the Mountains jersey is red polka dots.
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