will Hunt make a difference?
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Hunt had IIRC 50 yards, but over 7ypc. Also had some receptions. The good thing about having Chubb and Hunt is that both can serve as a dual threat.
One can play as fullback like Hunt did this time, while the other pounds the rock. If both are on the field, you making the defense wonder about which personnel they have to use: either they load the front 7 and you spread the backs, or they keep DBs who are no match in the run game.
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Hunt had IIRC 50 yards, but over 7ypc. Also had some receptions. The good thing about having Chubb and Hunt is that both can serve as a dual threat.
One can play as fullback like Hunt did this time, while the other pounds the rock. If both are on the field, you making the defense wonder about which personnel they have to use: either they load the front 7 and you spread the backs, or they keep DBs who are no match in the run game.
Hunt had IIRC 50 yards, but over 7ypc. Also had some receptions. The good thing about having Chubb and Hunt is that both can serve as a dual threat.
One can play as fullback like Hunt did this time, while the other pounds the rock. If both are on the field, you making the defense wonder about which personnel they have to use: either they load the front 7 and you spread the backs, or they keep DBs who are no match in the run game.
Funny thing about Hunt is how dangerous he looked. He looked DIFFERENT when he had the ball and I'm thinking he's going to be a weapon for us. Best of all, his role seemed to mesh well with Chubb. Also, I can't say it enough, but Hunt's blocking was beastly. His effort was extremely noticeable and infectious. Well done young man.
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Absolutely not.. He's not in game shape.. the season will be about over.. by the time he is...
In his first NFL game ever he had 13 ypc against New England, over 100 yards.
Last year 3 ypc against the Chargers...
So he'll be in shape if he consideres this a second chance in the NFL.
Don't put the game on Baker's hands.
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I hate what the dude did in his personal life....... but I'm sooo glad I picked up Hunt 4 weeks ago. Dude looked crazy fast, and if Knucklehead Freddie can figure out a way to get him and Chubb on the field at the same time for a healthy % of plays - like going with a 2RB pro set, 2WR, 1TE look, then who knows what is possible on offense.
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Hunt had IIRC 50 yards, but over 7ypc. Also had some receptions. The good thing about having Chubb and Hunt is that both can serve as a dual threat.
One can play as fullback like Hunt did this time, while the other pounds the rock. If both are on the field, you making the defense wonder about which personnel they have to use: either they load the front 7 and you spread the backs, or they keep DBs who are no match in the run game.
Funny thing about Hunt is how dangerous he looked. He looked DIFFERENT when he had the ball and I'm thinking he's going to be a weapon for us. Best of all, his role seemed to mesh well with Chubb. Also, I can't say it enough, but Hunt's blocking was beastly. His effort was extremely noticeable and infectious. Well done young man.
Funny thing about Hunt is how dangerous he looked. He looked DIFFERENT when he had the ball and I'm thinking he's going to be a weapon for us. Best of all, his role seemed to mesh well with Chubb. Also, I can't say it enough, but Hunt's blocking was beastly. His effort was extremely noticeable and infectious. Well done young man.
And as soon as Freddie finally figures out he is the primary back inside the 5, then we'll see some regular scoring and not that shitshow series of deja vu plays.
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Are our problems at the goal line ultimately just that our OL is not good enough to perform and are getting beaten like redheaded stepchildren at the line of scrimmage....or is there something in the blocking schemes that are FUBAR such that we can't run the goddamned thing in from inside the 5?
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Are our problems at the goal line ultimately just that our OL is not good enough to perform and are getting beaten like redheaded stepchildren at the line of scrimmage....or is there something in the blocking schemes that are FUBAR such that we can't run the goddamned thing in from inside the 5?
Are our problems at the goal line ultimately just that our OL is not good enough to perform and are getting beaten like redheaded stepchildren at the line of scrimmage....or is there something in the blocking schemes that are FUBAR such that we can't run the goddamned thing in from inside the 5?
Handing it to the wrong back. Hunt can cure that in a NY minute. That was his greatest value in KC and we should have known it. Chubb's greatest value is in getting us to that position in the first place as the workhorse. But you need the thoroughbred to finish the race.
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Are our problems at the goal line ultimately just that our OL is not good enough to perform and are getting beaten like redheaded stepchildren at the line of scrimmage....or is there something in the blocking schemes that are FUBAR such that we can't run the goddamned thing in from inside the 5?
Handing it to the wrong back. Hunt can cure that in a NY minute. That was his greatest value in KC and we should have known it. Chubb's greatest value is in getting us to that position in the first place as the workhorse. But you need the thoroughbred to finish the race.
Handing it to the wrong back. Hunt can cure that in a NY minute. That was his greatest value in KC and we should have known it. Chubb's greatest value is in getting us to that position in the first place as the workhorse. But you need the thoroughbred to finish the race.
I see your point Tex but I have to question the ability of our O line's blocking down at the goal line. Even Hunt can't make a hole if it is not there.
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Handing it to the wrong back. Hunt can cure that in a NY minute. That was his greatest value in KC and we should have known it. Chubb's greatest value is in getting us to that position in the first place as the workhorse. But you need the thoroughbred to finish the race.
I see your point Tex but I have to question the ability of our O line's blocking down at the goal line. Even Hunt can't make a hole if it is not there.
I see your point Tex but I have to question the ability of our O line's blocking down at the goal line. Even Hunt can't make a hole if it is not there.
That continued pitchout play was ridiculous. Just hand it off to Hunt. He finds any little crack or powers sideways past any defender breaking through. It's what he does best. Go watch his carries in the game and you'll see how he does it. It made no sense to not use him at crunch time.
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I see your point Tex but I have to question the ability of our O line's blocking down at the goal line. Even Hunt can't make a hole if it is not there.
That continued pitchout play was ridiculous. Just hand it off to Hunt. He finds any little crack or powers sideways past any defender breaking through. It's what he does best. Go watch his carries in the game and you'll see how he does it. It made no sense to not use him at crunch time.
That continued pitchout play was ridiculous. Just hand it off to Hunt. He finds any little crack or powers sideways past any defender breaking through. It's what he does best. Go watch his carries in the game and you'll see how he does it. It made no sense to not use him at crunch time.
I agree Hunt should be the go to guy down at the goal line and short yardage.
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Are our problems at the goal line ultimately just that our OL is not good enough to perform and are getting beaten like redheaded stepchildren at the line of scrimmage....or is there something in the blocking schemes that are FUBAR such that we can't run the goddamned thing in from inside the 5?
Are our problems at the goal line ultimately just that our OL is not good enough to perform and are getting beaten like redheaded stepchildren at the line of scrimmage....or is there something in the blocking schemes that are FUBAR such that we can't run the goddamned thing in from inside the 5?
I felt like our Oline and blockers in general were simply getting swarmed over and manhandled on the goal line situations. Buffalo seemed to be quite stout at the goal line.
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Props to Freddie for actually using Hunt in the game plan, I didn't really have high hopes for him.
Still think we ran the ball way too little, but it was good to see Freddie got him involved.
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Props to Freddie for actually using Hunt in the game plan, I didn't really have high hopes for him.
Still think we ran the ball way too little, but it was good to see Freddie got him involved.
Props to Freddie for actually using Hunt in the game plan, I didn't really have high hopes for him.
Still think we ran the ball way too little, but it was good to see Freddie got him involved.
That's a good point Bbedward. Many of us, including myself, have been hard on Freddie and his coaching prowess. But he nailed the usage of Hunt, and it definitely makes me hopeful for he can bring.
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Props to Freddie for actually using Hunt in the game plan, I didn't really have high hopes for him.
Still think we ran the ball way too little, but it was good to see Freddie got him involved.
Props to Freddie for actually using Hunt in the game plan, I didn't really have high hopes for him.
Still think we ran the ball way too little, but it was good to see Freddie got him involved.
Agree, we need this much talent to overcome Freddie's poor coaching. Why toss the ball to someone who hasn't played football in almost a year? We were fortunately officiated by decent refs this week , otherwise the season would've been over.
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Props to Freddie for actually using Hunt in the game plan, I didn't really have high hopes for him.
Still think we ran the ball way too little, but it was good to see Freddie got him involved.
Agree, we need this much talent to overcome Freddie's poor coaching. Why toss the ball to someone who hasn't played football in almost a year? We were fortunately officiated by decent refs this week , otherwise the season would've been over.
Agree, we need this much talent to overcome Freddie's poor coaching. Why toss the ball to someone who hasn't played football in almost a year? We were fortunately officiated by decent refs this week , otherwise the season would've been over.
A decent ref doesn't originally call that a touchdown. That play has been a staple in college for 10 years and become prevalent in the NFL in the last 3. The replay was the thing that saved us. As soon as it happened I was telling anyone who would listen that is a pass. They intentionally do that in case of a mishandle so if it hits the turf it's a incomplete pass instead of a fumble. I'm not trying to be combative it's just an indictment of the NFL and their refs that they don't know the rules.
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Agree, we need this much talent to overcome Freddie's poor coaching. Why toss the ball to someone who hasn't played football in almost a year? We were fortunately officiated by decent refs this week , otherwise the season would've been over.
A decent ref doesn't originally call that a touchdown. That play has been a staple in college for 10 years and become prevalent in the NFL in the last 3. The replay was the thing that saved us. As soon as it happened I was telling anyone who would listen that is a pass. They intentionally do that in case of a mishandle so if it hits the turf it's a incomplete pass instead of a fumble. I'm not trying to be combative it's just an indictment of the NFL and their refs that they don't know the rules.
A decent ref doesn't originally call that a touchdown. That play has been a staple in college for 10 years and become prevalent in the NFL in the last 3. The replay was the thing that saved us. As soon as it happened I was telling anyone who would listen that is a pass. They intentionally do that in case of a mishandle so if it hits the turf it's a incomplete pass instead of a fumble. I'm not trying to be combative it's just an indictment of the NFL and their refs that they don't know the rules.
At the same time that ball barely traveled an inch or so forward so if he had actually pulled it slightly backwards it would have been a fumble. I think it is always best to let it go until it all plays out and let replay decide whether it was a pass or a fumble. We've been screwed by too quick a whistle in the past. I'd rather see it let go and see what really happened in slow motion replay.
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A decent ref doesn't originally call that a touchdown. That play has been a staple in college for 10 years and become prevalent in the NFL in the last 3. The replay was the thing that saved us. As soon as it happened I was telling anyone who would listen that is a pass. They intentionally do that in case of a mishandle so if it hits the turf it's a incomplete pass instead of a fumble. I'm not trying to be combative it's just an indictment of the NFL and their refs that they don't know the rules.
At the same time that ball barely traveled an inch or so forward so if he had actually pulled it slightly backwards it would have been a fumble. I think it is always best to let it go until it all plays out and let replay decide whether it was a pass or a fumble. We've been screwed by too quick a whistle in the past. I'd rather see it let go and see what really happened in slow motion replay.
At the same time that ball barely traveled an inch or so forward so if he had actually pulled it slightly backwards it would have been a fumble. I think it is always best to let it go until it all plays out and let replay decide whether it was a pass or a fumble. We've been screwed by too quick a whistle in the past. I'd rather see it let go and see what really happened in slow motion replay.
Every single one of those barely go forward and I've rarely ever seen one not blown dead (maybe twice including yesterday). Hunt was running in front him. He was popping it up to him. Even if it goes straight up and down its an incomplete pass. His arms are going up and forward pretty hard to throw it backwards in that case.
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Handing it to the wrong back. Hunt can cure that in a NY minute. That was his greatest value in KC and we should have known it. Chubb's greatest value is in getting us to that position in the first place as the workhorse. But you need the thoroughbred to finish the race.
I see your point Tex but I have to question the ability of our O line's blocking down at the goal line. Even Hunt can't make a hole if it is not there.
I see your point Tex but I have to question the ability of our O line's blocking down at the goal line. Even Hunt can't make a hole if it is not there.
I heard one analysis say that Yes....absolutely, out OL is not big enough, strong enough, talented enough to go mano a mano against the defensive lines in this league and force the ball into the end zone. In essence they said that this team needs an infusion of talent on the OL....in at least 2 if not 3 positions. They also said this team desperately needs a fullback.
They said that the only possible remedy for this group is to actually do the opposite of what they are doing: Instead of bunching up in goal line situations....where they inevitably get beat, that they need to spread it out.....make the DL cover the whole wife field
And apparently, FYI, that is just what they did on the last TD....they spread it out, and that allowed Higgins to get wide open for the TD.
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I see your point Tex but I have to question the ability of our O line's blocking down at the goal line. Even Hunt can't make a hole if it is not there.
I heard one analysis say that Yes....absolutely, out OL is not big enough, strong enough, talented enough to go mano a mano against the defensive lines in this league and force the ball into the end zone. In essence they said that this team needs an infusion of talent on the OL....in at least 2 if not 3 positions. They also said this team desperately needs a fullback.
They said that the only possible remedy for this group is to actually do the opposite of what they are doing: Instead of bunching up in goal line situations....where they inevitably get beat, that they need to spread it out.....make the DL cover the whole wife field
And apparently, FYI, that is just what they did on the last TD....they spread it out, and that allowed Higgins to get wide open for the TD.
I heard one analysis say that Yes....absolutely, out OL is not big enough, strong enough, talented enough to go mano a mano against the defensive lines in this league and force the ball into the end zone. In essence they said that this team needs an infusion of talent on the OL....in at least 2 if not 3 positions. They also said this team desperately needs a fullback.
They said that the only possible remedy for this group is to actually do the opposite of what they are doing: Instead of bunching up in goal line situations....where they inevitably get beat, that they need to spread it out.....make the DL cover the whole wife field
And apparently, FYI, that is just what they did on the last TD....they spread it out, and that allowed Higgins to get wide open for the TD.
So people are suggesting that they do what they were doing early on in the year when Freddie got roasted for it?
That's why I'm not banging the Freddie sucks at playcalling drum that most are. Has he had a few like 4th and 9 draw play atrocious? Sure. However it's not the playcall its the execution. It's Baker not seeing an open receiver or getting rid of the ball on a 3 step drop. It is a receiver curling his route off too loose. It's an offensive lineman losing his one on one battle. Most of those are coachable things and need to be fixed. Some fixed quickly by attention to detail others take longer and some take new players.
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I heard one analysis say that Yes....absolutely, out OL is not big enough, strong enough, talented enough to go mano a mano against the defensive lines in this league and force the ball into the end zone. In essence they said that this team needs an infusion of talent on the OL....in at least 2 if not 3 positions. They also said this team desperately needs a fullback.
They said that the only possible remedy for this group is to actually do the opposite of what they are doing: Instead of bunching up in goal line situations....where they inevitably get beat, that they need to spread it out.....make the DL cover the whole wife field
And apparently, FYI, that is just what they did on the last TD....they spread it out, and that allowed Higgins to get wide open for the TD.
So people are suggesting that they do what they were doing early on in the year when Freddie got roasted for it?
That's why I'm not banging the Freddie sucks at playcalling drum that most are. Has he had a few like 4th and 9 draw play atrocious? Sure. However it's not the playcall its the execution. It's Baker not seeing an open receiver or getting rid of the ball on a 3 step drop. It is a receiver curling his route off too loose. It's an offensive lineman losing his one on one battle. Most of those are coachable things and need to be fixed. Some fixed quickly by attention to detail others take longer and some take new players.
So people are suggesting that they do what they were doing early on in the year when Freddie got roasted for it?
I don't know if that is what Freddie did early on. I do know that this OL cannot get a push on the line of scrimmage at the goal line. That seems clear. I also know that they had success on the last TD by spreading it out. I guess the deal is this: It seems like they have a 0-10% chance of bunching it up and running the ball into the endzone.....because they just can't block well enough man on man to be successful at that. So, by spreading it out....the vastly increase that percent at a chance at success. So, what do you do? Go with the better odds. (maybe mjp can give you those odds)
That's why I'm not banging the Freddie sucks at playcalling drum that most are. Has he had a few like 4th and 9 draw play atrocious? Sure. However it's not the playcall its the execution. It's Baker not seeing an open receiver or getting rid of the ball on a 3 step drop. It is a receiver curling his route off too loose. It's an offensive lineman losing his one on one battle. Most of those are coachable things and need to be fixed. Some fixed quickly by attention to detail others take longer and some take new players.
I even think much of Baker's problems....his jitteryness if you will, is based on his distrust of his OL. He would never admit that, putting the blame on himself...but I still think that is a big part of it.
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