The Truth about Myles/Rudolph
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I have to restate that to not have replaced "indefinite" with a number, is just wrong...
I have to agree with you on all counts. One thing that I haven't heard anywhere else comes from Locked On Browns podcast immediately following the game, and the guest commentator said someone told him he overheard Myles calling Rudolph a cracker ass bitch or something like that. I'd have to listen again to the show, but he definitely said something to that extent, and it reinforces that there was a racial component to the incident. Now of course NONE of this is substantiated, but it was the first and only time I heard anything about Myles calling Rudolph a name. The podcast made it seem like Garrett was extremely upset (duh) and saying all kinds of things.
Bottom line is we're not likely to ever know what happened. My gut feeling is that Rudolph definitely said SOMETHING to escalate the situation, but I actually have a hard time believing he dropped an N bomb with so many people who might hear it, ya know? There are certain lines you don't cross, but then again, SOMETHING got Myles fired up, so who really knows?
I have to agree with you on all counts. One thing that I haven't heard anywhere else comes from Locked On Browns podcast immediately following the game, and the guest commentator said someone told him he overheard Myles calling Rudolph a cracker ass bitch or something like that. I'd have to listen again to the show, but he definitely said something to that extent, and it reinforces that there was a racial component to the incident. Now of course NONE of this is substantiated, but it was the first and only time I heard anything about Myles calling Rudolph a name. The podcast made it seem like Garrett was extremely upset (duh) and saying all kinds of things.
Bottom line is we're not likely to ever know what happened. My gut feeling is that Rudolph definitely said SOMETHING to escalate the situation, but I actually have a hard time believing he dropped an N bomb with so many people who might hear it, ya know? There are certain lines you don't cross, but then again, SOMETHING got Myles fired up, so who really knows?
Who really knows what got Myles fired up???
Look at the video when Myles right after he wrapped up Rudolf and threw him to the ground. Poor Rudolf didn't like it and began pulling Myles helmet off his head. Imagine another player trying to pull your helmet off. I'd certainly be pissed. That's when it gets personal.
Watch carefully at :32, Rudolf nearly has Myles helmet half way off! Racial slur my fucking ass.
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The whole thing is just so bizarre. I still don't understand how it even became public knowledge because Myles literally told NOBODY about it inside the locker room, other than presumably his coach (who won't comment). I don't see what Myles had to gain by fabricating the slur. Surely he would have known that there'd be no way to corroborate it. At the same time, I ALSO have a hard time believing someone would use those words. I realize there is still a lot of hate in this country, but I can't see it happening.
Ugh. I'm just so over it. Miami can't come fast enough. I don't remember EVER being so excited for a season to start, and now that I'm past the shock and disappointment of us almost certainly not making the playoffs, I can adjust my expectations and find other ways to enjoy this season. Perhaps the most damaging aspect of the incident was how it seemed to totally ruin one of the biggest wins we've had in a long time. A total bummer, but maybe winning a few more games will wipe away the sour taste of such an ugly altercation.
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I have to agree with you on all counts. One thing that I haven't heard anywhere else comes from Locked On Browns podcast immediately following the game, and the guest commentator said someone told him he overheard Myles calling Rudolph a cracker ass bitch or something like that. I'd have to listen again to the show, but he definitely said something to that extent, and it reinforces that there was a racial component to the incident. Now of course NONE of this is substantiated, but it was the first and only time I heard anything about Myles calling Rudolph a name. The podcast made it seem like Garrett was extremely upset (duh) and saying all kinds of things.
Bottom line is we're not likely to ever know what happened. My gut feeling is that Rudolph definitely said SOMETHING to escalate the situation, but I actually have a hard time believing he dropped an N bomb with so many people who might hear it, ya know? There are certain lines you don't cross, but then again, SOMETHING got Myles fired up, so who really knows?
Who really knows what got Myles fired up???
Look at the video when Myles right after he wrapped up Rudolf and threw him to the ground. Poor Rudolf didn't like it and began pulling Myles helmet off his head. Imagine another player trying to pull your helmet off. I'd certainly be pissed. That's when it gets personal.
Watch carefully at :32, Rudolf nearly has Myles helmet half way off! Racial slur my fucking ass.
Who really knows what got Myles fired up???
Look at the video when Myles right after he wrapped up Rudolf and threw him to the ground. Poor Rudolf didn't like it and began pulling Myles helmet off his head. Imagine another player trying to pull your helmet off. I'd certainly be pissed. That's when it gets personal.
Watch carefully at :32, Rudolf nearly has Myles helmet half way off! Racial slur my fucking ass.
You don't have a clue as to what was being said when they were scuffling.
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@gorka said:
Jeez...
Now we have Myles Smollet out there. Recall Jussie Smollett, that piece of shit democrat who lied about 2 guys wearing MAGA hats beating him up and using racial slurs....and like Myles still insists it happened.
Why am I getting the impression that YOU are the one doing the race baiting.
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Again...why are we just hearing bout the racial epithet now...please.....dude is lying..
Just admit you lost your shit...agree to counseling and get your suspension overwith.
Have you really NOT been paying attention? Either to what had been happening or to what I have been saying? Immediately after the game, Freddie Kitchens came out and said that Rudolph said something to Myles "that he would not repeat here". I caught that right away...and speculated (presumed) what it was about right away.
When you ask why "we" are just hearing about it now...its because we is you...and you must just not have been paying attention.
And...NO ONE is claiming that he did not lose his shit (and he did admit that....where were you for that as well?), and he knows he has to do counseling No claim that he shouldn't do that.
What were ARE saying is this:
A. The league ignored the facts and only focused on the optics.
B. The league violated the CBA by issuing an indefinite suspension....which is disallowed in the CBA.
C. The league may be playing baby Donald by hiding a potential recording that has the verbal encounter between those two on it.
Have you really NOT been paying attention? Either to what had been happening or to what I have been saying? Immediately after the game, Freddie Kitchens came out and said that Rudolph said something to Myles "that he would not repeat here". I caught that right away...and speculated (presumed) what it was about right away.
When you ask why "we" are just hearing about it now...its because we is you...and you must just not have been paying attention.
And...NO ONE is claiming that he did not lose his shit (and he did admit that....where were you for that as well?), and he knows he has to do counseling No claim that he shouldn't do that.
What were ARE saying is this:
A. The league ignored the facts and only focused on the optics.
B. The league violated the CBA by issuing an indefinite suspension....which is disallowed in the CBA.
C. The league may be playing baby Donald by hiding a potential recording that has the verbal encounter between those two on it.
You can believe what you want...I can believe what I want. Either way it sucks for our team.
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Browns' fan has to stop playing the role of the victim. It helps nothing. The man swung and hit a player in the naked head with a helmet. He could have killed him. They had to come down hard or risk having their balls sued off. The NFL knows future suits are coming up re: CTE, etc. ANYTHING related to head trauma must be overly addressed for fear of losing future suits. It is very obvious. They have to build their case at every corner, proving the league did care about limiting CTE across the board.
But here you are taking the "If my grandmother had wings she could fly" position.
Something COULD take place, if a condition precedent had occurred. But that is not the way the law operates, (but maybe it is the way that NFL internal jurisprudence operates......"we only act if some thing looks bad...not if it was actually bad"
You take your victim based on the damage done.
Take a situation I had: a person is driving his car. He is driving his car a bit too fast, and his attention is diverted for a moment because he dropped a cigarette in his lap., and at that moment a person walks off the sidewalk onto a crosswalk. The driver of the car sees him at the very last moment and swerves..and crashes his car into a pole. Here, you are taking the position of the enraged pedestrian who demands: "He could have killed me....He must be punished as if he did kill me, because he was reckless".
Well...NO. He is NOT to be punished as if he killed you. His recklessness did not harm you. But, it looked real bad because he was coming at you. But because you were insulted and made afraid does not require maximum charges or penalties. He can and should be charged with a couple of minor offenses...failure to control, failure to pay full time and attention to the operation of his motor vehicle...but NOT vehicular homicide, since, in reality, no harm was suffered by you.
But here you are taking the "If my grandmother had wings she could fly" position.
I don't see how.
Something COULD take place, if a condition precedent had occurred. But that is not the way the law operates, (but maybe it is the way that NFL internal jurisprudence operates......"we only act if some thing looks bad...not if it was actually bad"
You take your victim based on the damage done.
To a degree.
Take a situation I had: a person is driving his car. He is driving his car a bit too fast, and his attention is diverted for a moment because he dropped a cigarette in his lap., and at that moment a person walks off the sidewalk onto a crosswalk. The driver of the car sees him at the very last moment and swerves..and crashes his car into a pole. Here, you are taking the position of the enraged pedestrian who demands: "He could have killed me....He must be punished as if he did kill me, because he was reckless".
Brother, you know that's not an accurate analogy. Did the driver of the car rip off the pedestrian's helmet off and beat him in the head with it?
Well...NO. He is NOT to be punished as if he killed you. His recklessness did not harm you. But, it looked real bad because he was coming at you. But because you were insulted and made afraid does not require maximum charges or penalties. He can and should be charged with a couple of minor offenses...failure to control, failure to pay full time and attention to the operation of his motor vehicle...but NOT vehicular homicide, since, in reality, no harm was suffered by you.
Last I knew, Myles is not in jail.
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@gorka said:
Jeez...
Now we have Myles Smollet out there. Recall Jussie Smollett, that piece of shit democrat who lied about 2 guys wearing MAGA hats beating him up and using racial slurs....and like Myles still insists it happened.
You are a fucking idiot
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Is Mason Rudolph related to Eric Rudolph? That would explain a lot.
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I hope we bury Rudolph deep in that shit they call a football field.
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Have you really NOT been paying attention? Either to what had been happening or to what I have been saying? Immediately after the game, Freddie Kitchens came out and said that Rudolph said something to Myles "that he would not repeat here". I caught that right away...and speculated (presumed) what it was about right away.
When you ask why "we" are just hearing about it now...its because we is you...and you must just not have been paying attention.
And...NO ONE is claiming that he did not lose his shit (and he did admit that....where were you for that as well?), and he knows he has to do counseling No claim that he shouldn't do that.
What were ARE saying is this:
A. The league ignored the facts and only focused on the optics.
B. The league violated the CBA by issuing an indefinite suspension....which is disallowed in the CBA.
C. The league may be playing baby Donald by hiding a potential recording that has the verbal encounter between those two on it.
You can believe what you want...I can believe what I want. Either way it sucks for our team.
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I hope we bury Rudolph deep in that shit they call a football field.
I hope we bury Rudolph deep in that shit they call a football field.
Next weekend is THE WEEKEND OF HATE.
Saturday: Ohio State vs TTUN
Sunday: Cleveland vs Pittsburgh
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@gorka said:
Jeez...
Now we have Myles Smollet out there. Recall Jussie Smollett, that piece of shit democrat who lied about 2 guys wearing MAGA hats beating him up and using racial slurs....and like Myles still insists it happened.
You are a fucking idiot
You are a fucking idiot
Gorka's posts throughout this thread are full of his own racism. Just go back to the first one. Not at all surprising to me.
"The truth about Myles is that he is a liar. You've seen this played before. Black man does something criminal, black man plays the race card to draw sympathy. Too bad it was automatic for Myles too."-Gorka
I'll bet he can't even see it there.
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Have you really NOT been paying attention? Either to what had been happening or to what I have been saying? Immediately after the game, Freddie Kitchens came out and said that Rudolph said something to Myles "that he would not repeat here". I caught that right away...and speculated (presumed) what it was about right away.
When you ask why "we" are just hearing about it now...its because we is you...and you must just not have been paying attention.
And...NO ONE is claiming that he did not lose his shit (and he did admit that....where were you for that as well?), and he knows he has to do counseling No claim that he shouldn't do that.
What were ARE saying is this:
A. The league ignored the facts and only focused on the optics.
B. The league violated the CBA by issuing an indefinite suspension....which is disallowed in the CBA.
C. The league may be playing baby Donald by hiding a potential recording that has the verbal encounter between those two on it.
You can believe what you want...I can believe what I want. Either way it sucks for our team.
You can believe what you want...I can believe what I want. Either way it sucks for our team.
Sure....but I believe in facts and evidence. You believe in fantasy. Lovely for you Kaleidescope man.
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I hope we bury Rudolph deep in that shit they call a football field.
Next weekend is THE WEEKEND OF HATE.
Saturday: Ohio State vs TTUN
Sunday: Cleveland vs Pittsburgh
Next weekend is THE WEEKEND OF HATE.
Saturday: Ohio State vs TTUN
Sunday: Cleveland vs Pittsburgh
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good stuff.
And I think it probable that Michigan is a bigger threat to OSU than Pitt. is to the Browns.
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Moving on: Would Garrett's spot on the roster be taken by the reactivation of Njoku?
Or, was someone else targeted for that.
And, if so, what can the Browns do with that open roster spot. (The Browns CAN fill the roster spot of someone placed on suspension, no?)
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First... no one was "mic'd up" for the game. NFL Films does the mic'ing up and they did not elect to do so that nite. That said.... A nationally televised game gets more cameras and field mics than regional games, so there might be some sound out there somewhere...
Second... appeals are all about impressing the appeals honchos with your sincere regrets for whatever you did... and that starts with how you dress. I saw MG arriving at the league office and literally said aloud, "Oh shit." He wore an electric blue suit over a turtleneck to a setting that demanded a medium gray over a white shirt with a dark green tie. Visuals matter... I assure you Myles started off in a hole.
On top of the above he springs "the slur". True or not it rings of excuse... and that's not what you want to project.
I agree with those that expect the NFLPA to sue.
Last... Today, NFL Live essentially did an entire show on Myles' "revelation". Consensus was that while , if true, it helped to understand his reaction, it would not impact his punishment. Only one "panelist", Ryan Clark, commented that they had already heard that a slur was involved.
Ryan also alluded to Rudolph having some social media history with "racial issues" ... deleted tweets and the like... but neither Ryan nor google has elaborated.
I have to restate that to not have replaced "indefinite" with a number, is just wrong...
First... no one was "mic'd up" for the game. NFL Films does the mic'ing up and they did not elect to do so that nite. That said.... A nationally televised game gets more cameras and field mics than regional games, so there might be some sound out there somewhere...
Second... appeals are all about impressing the appeals honchos with your sincere regrets for whatever you did... and that starts with how you dress. I saw MG arriving at the league office and literally said aloud, "Oh shit." He wore an electric blue suit over a turtleneck to a setting that demanded a medium gray over a white shirt with a dark green tie. Visuals matter... I assure you Myles started off in a hole.
On top of the above he springs "the slur". True or not it rings of excuse... and that's not what you want to project.
I agree with those that expect the NFLPA to sue.
Last... Today, NFL Live essentially did an entire show on Myles' "revelation". Consensus was that while , if true, it helped to understand his reaction, it would not impact his punishment. Only one "panelist", Ryan Clark, commented that they had already heard that a slur was involved.
Ryan also alluded to Rudolph having some social media history with "racial issues" ... deleted tweets and the like... but neither Ryan nor google has elaborated.
I have to restate that to not have replaced "indefinite" with a number, is just wrong...
If he told the truth, or more importantly his truth that's all that matters to me.
But honestly man, I have a hard time thinking the NFL isn't biased against the Browns. Maybe it's because our town had a fit after they moved us to Baltimore, I just don't get it.
The Patriots, Steelers, and other teams constantly get off the hook and the media is always looking for ways to tear us down.
I'd love to win out more than anything just to get them to shutup.
I can even remember talking heads on ESPN saying we weren't good and the Ravens just played bad when we beat them. We never get any credit.
Freddie is growing on me. Sure, he's in over his head, but he's taking steps to be a leader and keep the team together.
Hopefully this makes the team come together stronger.
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First... no one was "mic'd up" for the game. NFL Films does the mic'ing up and they did not elect to do so that nite. That said.... A nationally televised game gets more cameras and field mics than regional games, so there might be some sound out there somewhere...
Second... appeals are all about impressing the appeals honchos with your sincere regrets for whatever you did... and that starts with how you dress. I saw MG arriving at the league office and literally said aloud, "Oh shit." He wore an electric blue suit over a turtleneck to a setting that demanded a medium gray over a white shirt with a dark green tie. Visuals matter... I assure you Myles started off in a hole.
On top of the above he springs "the slur". True or not it rings of excuse... and that's not what you want to project.
I agree with those that expect the NFLPA to sue.
Last... Today, NFL Live essentially did an entire show on Myles' "revelation". Consensus was that while , if true, it helped to understand his reaction, it would not impact his punishment. Only one "panelist", Ryan Clark, commented that they had already heard that a slur was involved.
Ryan also alluded to Rudolph having some social media history with "racial issues" ... deleted tweets and the like... but neither Ryan nor google has elaborated.
I have to restate that to not have replaced "indefinite" with a number, is just wrong...
If he told the truth, or more importantly his truth that's all that matters to me.
But honestly man, I have a hard time thinking the NFL isn't biased against the Browns. Maybe it's because our town had a fit after they moved us to Baltimore, I just don't get it.
The Patriots, Steelers, and other teams constantly get off the hook and the media is always looking for ways to tear us down.
I'd love to win out more than anything just to get them to shutup.
I can even remember talking heads on ESPN saying we weren't good and the Ravens just played bad when we beat them. We never get any credit.
Freddie is growing on me. Sure, he's in over his head, but he's taking steps to be a leader and keep the team together.
Hopefully this makes the team come together stronger.
If he told the truth, or more importantly his truth that's all that matters to me.
But honestly man, I have a hard time thinking the NFL isn't biased against the Browns. Maybe it's because our town had a fit after they moved us to Baltimore, I just don't get it.
The Patriots, Steelers, and other teams constantly get off the hook and the media is always looking for ways to tear us down.
I'd love to win out more than anything just to get them to shutup.
I can even remember talking heads on ESPN saying we weren't good and the Ravens just played bad when we beat them. We never get any credit.
Freddie is growing on me. Sure, he's in over his head, but he's taking steps to be a leader and keep the team together.
Hopefully this makes the team come together stronger.
Careful there. You are treading on cal territory now. He be mad!?
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If he told the truth, or more importantly his truth that's all that matters to me.
But honestly man, I have a hard time thinking the NFL isn't biased against the Browns. Maybe it's because our town had a fit after they moved us to Baltimore, I just don't get it.
The Patriots, Steelers, and other teams constantly get off the hook and the media is always looking for ways to tear us down.
I'd love to win out more than anything just to get them to shutup.
I can even remember talking heads on ESPN saying we weren't good and the Ravens just played bad when we beat them. We never get any credit.
Freddie is growing on me. Sure, he's in over his head, but he's taking steps to be a leader and keep the team together.
Hopefully this makes the team come together stronger.
Careful there. You are treading on cal territory now. He be mad!?
Careful there. You are treading on cal territory now. He be mad!?
Lol after Pouncey's suspension is reduced and Garrett is still in limbo?
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