The Truth about Myles/Rudolph
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Gee, the NFL fined miss mason $50,000. Kinda steep for being “innocent”
Gee, the NFL fined miss mason $50,000. Kinda steep for being “innocent”
He's not innocent of instigating the fight, no one is saying that.
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Gee, the NFL fined miss mason $50,000. Kinda steep for being “innocent”
He's not innocent of instigating the fight, no one is saying that.
He's not innocent of instigating the fight, no one is saying that.
If he instigated it, then he should be punished the most severely. Otherwise they just let him off.
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He's not innocent of instigating the fight, no one is saying that.
If he instigated it, then he should be punished the most severely. Otherwise they just let him off.
If he instigated it, then he should be punished the most severely. Otherwise they just let him off.
In a fistfight, I'd totally agree.
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If he instigated it, then he should be punished the most severely. Otherwise they just let him off.
In a fistfight, I'd totally agree.
In a fistfight, I'd totally agree.
The nfl does not list him as the instigator. Just that he was involved. There is no justice at all in this. Myles was wrong no doubt. But so were others.
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I have several african american friends and they think he is lying...calling him Myles Smollet
Hahahaha
I have several african american friends and they think he is lying...calling him Myles Smollet
Hahahaha
Sure you do.
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First... no one was "mic'd up" for the game. NFL Films does the mic'ing up and they did not elect to do so that nite. That said.... A nationally televised game gets more cameras and field mics than regional games, so there might be some sound out there somewhere...
Second... appeals are all about impressing the appeals honchos with your sincere regrets for whatever you did... and that starts with how you dress. I saw MG arriving at the league office and literally said aloud, "Oh shit." He wore an electric blue suit over a turtleneck to a setting that demanded a medium gray over a white shirt with a dark green tie. Visuals matter... I assure you Myles started off in a hole.
On top of the above he springs "the slur". True or not it rings of excuse... and that's not what you want to project.
I agree with those that expect the NFLPA to sue.
Last... Today, NFL Live essentially did an entire show on Myles' "revelation". Consensus was that while , if true, it helped to understand his reaction, it would not impact his punishment. Only one "panelist", Ryan Clark, commented that they had already heard that a slur was involved.
Ryan also alluded to Rudolph having some social media history with "racial issues" ... deleted tweets and the like... but neither Ryan nor google has elaborated.
I have to restate that to not have replaced "indefinite" with a number, is just wrong...
First... no one was "mic'd up" for the game. NFL Films does the mic'ing up and they did not elect to do so that nite. That said.... A nationally televised game gets more cameras and field mics than regional games, so there might be some sound out there somewhere...
Second... appeals are all about impressing the appeals honchos with your sincere regrets for whatever you did... and that starts with how you dress. I saw MG arriving at the league office and literally said aloud, "Oh shit." He wore an electric blue suit over a turtleneck to a setting that demanded a medium gray over a white shirt with a dark green tie. Visuals matter... I assure you Myles started off in a hole.
On top of the above he springs "the slur". True or not it rings of excuse... and that's not what you want to project.
I agree with those that expect the NFLPA to sue.
Last... Today, NFL Live essentially did an entire show on Myles' "revelation". Consensus was that while , if true, it helped to understand his reaction, it would not impact his punishment. Only one "panelist", Ryan Clark, commented that they had already heard that a slur was involved.
Ryan also alluded to Rudolph having some social media history with "racial issues" ... deleted tweets and the like... but neither Ryan nor google has elaborated.
I have to restate that to not have replaced "indefinite" with a number, is just wrong...
Well said! Post of the thread IMO...
There's still some things that make me question the racial slur while I still found a cleat to MG's groin and Rudolph's attempt to pry his helmet off from behind worthy of suspension (and sufficient enough for MG to be upset).
1. In the situation where Rudolph had zero composure - it seems kind of strange he had a split second reasoning to carefully whisper the N-bomb so the African American that snapped him the football didn't hear him in the collapsed pocket right next to him.
2. Let's say Pouncey did hear him - has anyone informed Pouncey he's an African America too? Although, it IS possible that on a night Pitt's OL didn't hit anyone all night - Pouncey realized he still had 8 seconds to slap and kick a restrained opponent (MG).
3. MG had a mic in his face right after the game with a perfect opportunity to let all of America hear (6 days before his hearing) something along the line of "I wish I exercised better restraint to the racial slur I found totally unacceptable." Not that the NFL would have any intentions to do this to investigate the claim any further than they did. But, that would have opened himself up to questions like "Why didn't the African American who snapped him the ball right before the pocket collapsed next to Pouncey hear this?" Seems like he should have been kicking and slapping the guy with the hateful words about HIS race instead slapping and kicking the DeCastro-restrained guy in his race. Westside Story gone wrong...
4. The appointed NFL Rep to meet with MG was African American James Thrash. What better way to get the understanding Pouncey previously denied or conveniently didn't hear. Goodell's God Complex already had the punishment decided (despite the dog and pony show delaying the obvious). This never had the chance. The longer this goes on you get the media with big audiences removing the first part of the video showing Rudolph's very punish worthy wrong doing beyond the wrist slap. They want a BAD guy and it ain't going to be a Pittsburgh Steeler. It never is - even when James Harrison TKO'd 3 different Cleveland Browns with the crown of his helmet sitting on the neck circumference of an oak tree (which was a weapon to Cribbs, Mo Mass-No Mas, and McCoy). I think he just got wrist slap fines for 2 of them and a 1 game suspension and fine for the other.
5. I'm suddenly hearing everyone on this franchise knew of the racial slur that night. That may very well be true. If it is true - that makes Jimmy H the scariest petrified church mouse on the planet. YES Jimmy we understand you are a small market franchise that never wins more than 7 games while willing to be 1-31 in back to back seasons. You are very fortunate to be 1 of 32 owners receiving the biggest revenue sharing profits from a television contract ever (divided up equally and dwarfing the home attendance revenues). He pretty much threw his #1 overall investment of a draft under the bus by refusing to mention the racial slur and pretending his team was the one that was wrong. Just when it appeared it was difficult to find less of a man than Rudolph - here comes Jimmy to the rescue.
6. I heard a great take on this from an African American sports radio host here in Tampa - Ian Beckles (who played OL for the Bus and Eagles). He said he "didn't like the racial slur if it happened; but that doesn't excuse resorting to a weapon. Aren't we as a society trying to prevent reactions to name-calling/bullying in the form using a weapon? A 275 pound fitness freak swinging a helmet at a guy without a helmet is a weapon that can permanently disable/kill anyone." His co-host asked what IS the appropriate response? His reply was - "What is so wrong with old school that just uses fists or shoving? Yes, a fist gets you kicked out of a game and if there's only 8 seconds left - it gets you suspended for 1 week." He's right! Inevitably, there's going to be media personalities like Colin Cowherd that are going to make sure they edit out all of what Rudolph did to paint up Garrett as the unprovoked thug that tried to seriously injure/kill someone over the sneakers he was wearing. When Baker set the record for TD passes as a rookie on a team coming off 0-16 football - the angle and slant became "he hasn't beaten any teams with winning records" instead of fessing up he was wrong that Baker couldn't make it as an NFL QB. It looks like some media can get their credentials out of Captain Crunch today...
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Gee, the NFL fined miss mason $50,000. Kinda steep for being “innocent”
Gee, the NFL fined miss mason $50,000. Kinda steep for being “innocent”
Seems pretty chicken shittt if there's REALLY a racial slur on top of his cleat to the groin and attempt to remove Garrett's helmet the FULL video showed(not to be confused with the edited down videos some media are carefully selecting to show to paint the villain). Roger Goodell is moving 1 step closer to the attracting the WWWF audiences aside from other countries to feed the TV network monopoly in tact even more... Owners aren't going to bite off the hand feeding them - see Jimmy Church Mouse apology to Pittsburgh as evidence.
If anything, letting this QB continue to play is a good thing for the Cleveland Browns. He treated a defense that longed for turnovers to 4 INTs. I broke out the Christmas music and played Here Comes Santa Claus every time Tomlin allowed him to take the field with the offense.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
That incident passed the eye test.
1. Don't use idioms that you do not understand.
2. Don't cite articles approaching their 2nd birthday. After 2 years of decline viewership this year is up ~5%.
1. Don't use idioms that you do not understand.
2. Don't cite articles approaching their 2nd birthday. After 2 years of decline viewership this year is up ~5%.
Why so picky?
1. I clearly understand the "eye test" but chose to use it in such a way to drive home a point using the Ray Rice and K Hunt incidents as clear examples.
2. And Goodell intends to keep it going in that direction. Posting 2yr old article highly relevant.
Buh bye Myles.
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He's not innocent of instigating the fight, no one is saying that.
If he instigated it, then he should be punished the most severely. Otherwise they just let him off.
If he instigated it, then he should be punished the most severely. Otherwise they just let him off.
Cool shirt but that would depend on what constitutes "starting it"...Myles unnecessary roughness or Red Nose's hissy fit retaliation?
Myles Garrett, Browns: Unnecessary roughness, Unsportsmanlike conduct, Fighting, Removing Helmet of Opponnent, Using Helmet as Weapon, indefinite unpaid suspension plus $45,623
So you stab me because I called you a dirty rotten name and I should be punished more severely? I instigated it.
Absurdity thrives in homerism.
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I brought this up to several people to include on the board. I just don't get why Garrett would have gone insane like he did without this sort of fact occurring. Honestly, on top of Mason's almost lawyer-esque pre-written speech AND his noted douchy behavior? It's not something to discredit.
Anyone see the color of the guy that snapped the ball to Rudolph? Seems REALLY strange that very same guy would fight for the guy that just used such a hateful word against his race. It also seems strange that a guy that has African American WRs, RBs and OL beside Pouncey would throw the N word out.
I could be wrong here but there was a cleat to the groin as well as an attempt to pry Garrett's helmet off by Rudolph that would have been sufficient enough to send Garrett over the edge. I would have asked the committee why they are blowing off the first part that the networks have also very carefully edited out of the videos. And then I'd ask, if if someone kills someone in self defense - should the trail only focus on the murder and put that person in jailed because he killed someone and F--- everything else. He killed someone and that's that? No, it should focus on the WHY and purpose of action. Garrett and agent, should have attempted to get focus back to the entire video that includes the beginning with a cleat to the groin and Rudolph's attempt to take Garrett's helmet off first. It would at least show Rudolph was wrong enough for consequences too - to the extent there would at least be more of an understanding to why Garrett lost it. Then, he could admit using a helmet as a weapon should never be tolerated. Right James Harrison? James? Shazier tried to do that too but he didn't have the same neck circumference of an oak tree Harrison has. Harrison gave Mo Mas a No Mas and he also knocked out Cribbs and McCoy. Both Shazier and Harrison are heroes in Pittsburgh while Pouncey just joined them for exercising the sorority girl rage of slapping and kicking someone that was being restrained.
I've been all over the place about this whole thing until the meeting with the NFL. Where this train flies right off the tracks with me is - it just seems really fishy that a guy who got that far out of control conveniently found the discipline all the way up until he met with the top of the NFL to whip out the race card. However, in doing so, Garrett's agent successfully recruits more players around the league to think he had his reasons a la Colin Kaepernick when he recruited enough knuckleheads to dis-respect the American Flag, National Anthem and all our troops past and present for his agenda disguised as race (he was adopted by a white family btw). The brand new strategy for Garrett's helmet swing also recognized that the person they were meeting with representing the NFL is an African American (James Thrash). Not for nothing but if Garrett would have mentioned this racial thing when he had the 1st mic in his face right after the game - it would have given the NFL sufficient time to research it prior to their meeting with Garrett. That didn't help the poker face...
In a year where the biggest theme about the Cleveland Browns is an epic "LACK OF DISCIPLINE" - our former #1 overall pick that is supposed to be a team leader chose "I before team" in 1 of the biggest lack of discipline episodes I have seen as a fan here. I would have been fine with an old school punch or shove reaction; but he chose a weapon against a complete sissy. BTW, he was dirty against the harmless backup QBs that Jets put on the field too. If anything, we WANT harmless backup QBs like Rudolph and the sweats for the Jets staying on the field. When I see that kind of stuff from him - it makes me wonder if he's doing it for the team or himself. If it's for the team, I'd see someone better prepared with restraint than we saw vrs the Jets or Pitt. And when he's mentioning his top goal is to be a league MVP on a team that hasn't won more than 7 games since 2007 - that's a me instead of we. So, where does he leave us today? tomorrow? the rest of the season? Longer? Watching another top investment we were really counting on not be able to take the field and help his team on Sundays. Never had to be this way. Inventing a racial slur in lieu of accountability for one's actions and integrity is something I'd rather see in Baltimore than here.
Anyone see the color of the guy that snapped the ball to Rudolph? Seems REALLY strange that very same guy would fight for the guy that just used such a hateful word against his race. It also seems strange that a guy that has African American WRs, RBs and OL beside Pouncey would throw the N word out.
Pouncey wasn't anywhere near the two until the helmet swing. There's no guarantee he heard it. As far as his wrs rbs ol do you not remember riley cooper of the eagles. The white wide receiver. All his receiver running mates were black. He was caught on tape at a country concert repeatedly saying a racial slur.
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If he instigated it, then he should be punished the most severely. Otherwise they just let him off.
Cool shirt but that would depend on what constitutes "starting it"...Myles unnecessary roughness or Red Nose's hissy fit retaliation?
Myles Garrett, Browns: Unnecessary roughness, Unsportsmanlike conduct, Fighting, Removing Helmet of Opponnent, Using Helmet as Weapon, indefinite unpaid suspension plus $45,623
So you stab me because I called you a dirty rotten name and I should be punished more severely? I instigated it.
Absurdity thrives in homerism.
So you stab me because I called you a dirty rotten name and I should be punished more severely? I instigated it.
Absurdity thrives in homerism.
See, this is what I'm talking about on how the commissioner Roger Goodell has failed. This was an on the field incident and he did NOTHING to calm the situation and bring everyone down from craziness I have been hearing and reading. The fact that the police were involved and the talk of Rudolph pursuing legal action only reinforces that. GET CONTROL OF YOUR LEAGUE COMMISSIONER and defend your players!!! Any one of these players could seek legal action any time they want, so why let the circus continue and make Myles out to be come kind of felon.
You comparing the the helmet swing to someone stabbing somebody with a knife is crazy talk and is part of the problem. So Myles hit another player with his own helmet......the horror....THE HORROR!!!?
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So you stab me because I called you a dirty rotten name and I should be punished more severely? I instigated it.
Absurdity thrives in homerism.
See, this is what I'm talking about on how the commissioner Roger Goodell has failed. This was an on the field incident and he did NOTHING to calm the situation and bring everyone down from craziness I have been hearing and reading. The fact that the police were involved and the talk of Rudolph pursuing legal action only reinforces that. GET CONTROL OF YOUR LEAGUE COMMISSIONER and defend your players!!! Any one of these players could seek legal action any time they want, so why let the circus continue and make Myles out to be come kind of felon.
You comparing the the helmet swing to someone stabbing somebody with a knife is crazy talk and is part of the problem. So Myles hit another player with his own helmet......the horror....THE HORROR!!!?
See, this is what I'm talking about on how the commissioner Roger Goodell has failed......
Failed? Not really Good-ell works for the NFL.inc and the billionaire owners and with his new $200+ million dollar contract he's doing his job just fine.
Oh and his contract was approved by the owners unanimously.
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Anyone see the color of the guy that snapped the ball to Rudolph? Seems REALLY strange that very same guy would fight for the guy that just used such a hateful word against his race. It also seems strange that a guy that has African American WRs, RBs and OL beside Pouncey would throw the N word out.
Pouncey wasn't anywhere near the two until the helmet swing. There's no guarantee he heard it. As far as his wrs rbs ol do you not remember riley cooper of the eagles. The white wide receiver. All his receiver running mates were black. He was caught on tape at a country concert repeatedly saying a racial slur.
Pouncey wasn't anywhere near the two until the helmet swing. There's no guarantee he heard it. As far as his wrs rbs ol do you not remember riley cooper of the eagles. The white wide receiver. All his receiver running mates were black. He was caught on tape at a country concert repeatedly saying a racial slur.
Yeah, I remember 100% of the people around Riley Cooper heard what he said, which is a little different than the very tiny percentage of players that heard Rudolph's N bomb. I also remember the African American WR Pitt drafted from Oklahoma State excited Pitt also drafted Mason Rudolph. Sound like race was an issue? It shouldn't.
Again, who snapped the ball to the QB attempting to throw out of the shakey cup pocket protection MG was collapsing from the edge? The Center named Pouncey who just so happens to be African American. He wasn't as far away as you wanted him to be and closer than 9 of MG's teammates that never even made it into the video at all before Ogunjobi entered after all damage was done. What do you want me to pretend with you next aside from suddenly all of MG's teammates were extremely well positioned to hear this controversial whisper? That a QB who lost 100% of his composure found the split second reasoning to conveniently just whisper the N bomb in rage? Doesn't add up at all. Sorry, it just doesn't man.
If MG, not to be confused with his agent dreaming the best way to get more support, mentioned this right after the game as small as I'm sorry how I handled the racial slur by Rudolph - it would have looked 1000 times less fishy. Is it possible I'm wrong here? Absolutely; but I have yet to see 1 thing printed beyond the hope of Cleveland Browns fans that it was actually said.
I'd love for this to be true because it could change things and force further investigation than the length of a cup of coffee it got.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Gee, the NFL fined miss mason $50,000. Kinda steep for being “innocent”
Seems pretty chicken shittt if there's REALLY a racial slur on top of his cleat to the groin and attempt to remove Garrett's helmet the FULL video showed(not to be confused with the edited down videos some media are carefully selecting to show to paint the villain). Roger Goodell is moving 1 step closer to the attracting the WWWF audiences aside from other countries to feed the TV network monopoly in tact even more... Owners aren't going to bite off the hand feeding them - see Jimmy Church Mouse apology to Pittsburgh as evidence.
If anything, letting this QB continue to play is a good thing for the Cleveland Browns. He treated a defense that longed for turnovers to 4 INTs. I broke out the Christmas music and played Here Comes Santa Claus every time Tomlin allowed him to take the field with the offense.
Seems pretty chicken shittt if there's REALLY a racial slur on top of his cleat to the groin and attempt to remove Garrett's helmet the FULL video showed(not to be confused with the edited down videos some media are carefully selecting to show to paint the villain). Roger Goodell is moving 1 step closer to the attracting the WWWF audiences aside from other countries to feed the TV network monopoly in tact even more... Owners aren't going to bite off the hand feeding them - see Jimmy Church Mouse apology to Pittsburgh as evidence.
If anything, letting this QB continue to play is a good thing for the Cleveland Browns. He treated a defense that longed for turnovers to 4 INTs. I broke out the Christmas music and played Here Comes Santa Claus every time Tomlin allowed him to take the field with the offense.
Aw shucks, Mason is only a poor third round draft pick. We can't fine him a $100k or so, and suspend him a game. Financial hardship ya know.
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If he instigated it, then he should be punished the most severely. Otherwise they just let him off.
Cool shirt but that would depend on what constitutes "starting it"...Myles unnecessary roughness or Red Nose's hissy fit retaliation?
Myles Garrett, Browns: Unnecessary roughness, Unsportsmanlike conduct, Fighting, Removing Helmet of Opponnent, Using Helmet as Weapon, indefinite unpaid suspension plus $45,623
So you stab me because I called you a dirty rotten name and I should be punished more severely? I instigated it.
Absurdity thrives in homerism.
Cool shirt but that would depend on what constitutes "starting it"...Myles unnecessary roughness or Red Nose's hissy fit retaliation?
Myles Garrett, Browns: Unnecessary roughness, Unsportsmanlike conduct, Fighting, Removing Helmet of Opponnent, Using Helmet as Weapon, indefinite unpaid suspension plus $45,623
So you stab me because I called you a dirty rotten name and I should be punished more severely? I instigated it.
Absurdity thrives in homerism.
An eye for an eye, gouge mine, I go for yours. Simple.
The only real difference between genius and stupidity. Genius has its limits -
What's even more credible is every shred of evidence suggests he didn't say it. NFL said they have no audio, none of the refs heard it, none of his teammates heard it, Rudolph's AA coach said he wouldn't say that, etc. You go into court with that argument and a 4 year old would probably mop the floor with you.
Do you really want to compare your training and experience to mine when it comes to what constitutes "credible evidence"?
The fact is, you are just dead wrong about that, and allow me to explain why:
Let's look at what you claim to be evidence.
A. The NFL has no audio. There is no NFL audio of any of the "dialogue" that happened. Good bad or indifferent. You can't prove a negative with a negative. Its like saying: because there is no turd in htown's toilet, he must have never in his life ever had to take a shit.
B. And, Did you see the video? None of the refs and none of the teammates were anywhere close enough to hear anything that was going on in a face to face confrontation like that....There are bodies flying around, men grunting....and a ton of crowd noise. They can't say they heard it....because they cannot attest to anything that was said at that point where the two of them were down on the ground. They CANNOT say that A said this...and B said that....or that "I heard everything that was said and B did not say anything"
C. So Rudolph's AA coach said he would never say that? First off, WTF is an AA coach...and what is his relationship to Rudolph, and can he be qualified as a character witness. Furthermore, I am sure that many people could probably say "Oh, he is not the kind of guy that would say that.....but then that would be OK....if Rudolph were not put into a very stressful situation. He had thrown 4 Ints. he team was being whipped every way shape or form. He was frustrated, angry and he had just be pounded again by a guy that had been in his grill all night and there he was again, slamming him to the turf (which actually...Myles could have given him a lot worse). It is certainly highly possible, highly possible that all that had built up, and that he had done something that, yes, certainly was stupid and out of character of him to do. Just as, clearly, obviously, Myles did something that was stupid and out of character for him. In fact, equally or more credible would be the testimony of Myles teammates and coaches and friends etc..and whatever an AA coach is, that it would not be in his character to swing that helmet at him....
So, what are we left with?
The same evidence we had before.. The instantaneous "excited utterance" or physical action or reaction. It was clear that at that moment something happened to cause that harsh reaction. Furthermore, there was the statement made to Freddie in the locker room immediately after the incident. These lend credibility to Garrett's claim.
So, when you reach the age of 4, let us all know.
Do you really want to compare your training and experience to mine when it comes to what constitutes "credible evidence"?
The fact is, you are just dead wrong about that, and allow me to explain why:
Let's look at what you claim to be evidence.
A. The NFL has no audio. There is no NFL audio of any of the "dialogue" that happened. Good bad or indifferent. You can't prove a negative with a negative. Its like saying: because there is no turd in htown's toilet, he must have never in his life ever had to take a shit.
B. And, Did you see the video? None of the refs and none of the teammates were anywhere close enough to hear anything that was going on in a face to face confrontation like that....There are bodies flying around, men grunting....and a ton of crowd noise. They can't say they heard it....because they cannot attest to anything that was said at that point where the two of them were down on the ground. They CANNOT say that A said this...and B said that....or that "I heard everything that was said and B did not say anything"
C. So Rudolph's AA coach said he would never say that? First off, WTF is an AA coach...and what is his relationship to Rudolph, and can he be qualified as a character witness. Furthermore, I am sure that many people could probably say "Oh, he is not the kind of guy that would say that.....but then that would be OK....if Rudolph were not put into a very stressful situation. He had thrown 4 Ints. he team was being whipped every way shape or form. He was frustrated, angry and he had just be pounded again by a guy that had been in his grill all night and there he was again, slamming him to the turf (which actually...Myles could have given him a lot worse). It is certainly highly possible, highly possible that all that had built up, and that he had done something that, yes, certainly was stupid and out of character of him to do. Just as, clearly, obviously, Myles did something that was stupid and out of character for him. In fact, equally or more credible would be the testimony of Myles teammates and coaches and friends etc..and whatever an AA coach is, that it would not be in his character to swing that helmet at him....
So, what are we left with?
The same evidence we had before.. The instantaneous "excited utterance" or physical action or reaction. It was clear that at that moment something happened to cause that harsh reaction. Furthermore, there was the statement made to Freddie in the locker room immediately after the incident. These lend credibility to Garrett's claim.
So, when you reach the age of 4, let us all know.
Not buying it. Since when is a lack of evidence, evidence? To say, "I don't know, something made him freak out" is hardly anything resembling proof. What made him freak out was MR trying to take his helmet off and kicking him in the dingy, and then coming after him As if you need to create some other reason for him freaking out.
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If he instigated it, then he should be punished the most severely. Otherwise they just let him off.
Cool shirt but that would depend on what constitutes "starting it"...Myles unnecessary roughness or Red Nose's hissy fit retaliation?
Myles Garrett, Browns: Unnecessary roughness, Unsportsmanlike conduct, Fighting, Removing Helmet of Opponnent, Using Helmet as Weapon, indefinite unpaid suspension plus $45,623
So you stab me because I called you a dirty rotten name and I should be punished more severely? I instigated it.
Absurdity thrives in homerism.
Cool shirt but that would depend on what constitutes "starting it"...Myles unnecessary roughness or Red Nose's hissy fit retaliation?
Myles Garrett, Browns: Unnecessary roughness, Unsportsmanlike conduct, Fighting, Removing Helmet of Opponnent, Using Helmet as Weapon, indefinite unpaid suspension plus $45,623
So you stab me because I called you a dirty rotten name and I should be punished more severely? I instigated it.
Absurdity thrives in homerism.
Aren't you a troll who lives on the Politics Board who recently referred to someone as a "Jew Boy"?
That pretty much tells me what your agenda is on here.
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I fancy myself a bit of a word nerd and would just like to point out that a “racial slur” isn’t always an N bomb and that there are other words that are more ambiguous that can be meant one way but interpreted another.
I feel like the word “ape” may apply here. I know l’ve used that word to describe a particularly muscle-ey white guy before, but it also has been used as a racial slur. In the heat of the moment l could see Mason yelling “get off me you effing ape!”
And quite frankly the word “boy” has been used as a racial slur. Especially when said with a pronounced southern accent with a bit of a “w” sound, like BO-wee.
I seriously doubt Mason was dropping N bombs on the field, but if l had to guess used a more ambiguous word that was meant to offend but not meant to cross any lines. What he said and how it was received aren’t always the same things.
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Do you really want to compare your training and experience to mine when it comes to what constitutes "credible evidence"?
The fact is, you are just dead wrong about that, and allow me to explain why:
Let's look at what you claim to be evidence.
A. The NFL has no audio. There is no NFL audio of any of the "dialogue" that happened. Good bad or indifferent. You can't prove a negative with a negative. Its like saying: because there is no turd in htown's toilet, he must have never in his life ever had to take a shit.
B. And, Did you see the video? None of the refs and none of the teammates were anywhere close enough to hear anything that was going on in a face to face confrontation like that....There are bodies flying around, men grunting....and a ton of crowd noise. They can't say they heard it....because they cannot attest to anything that was said at that point where the two of them were down on the ground. They CANNOT say that A said this...and B said that....or that "I heard everything that was said and B did not say anything"
C. So Rudolph's AA coach said he would never say that? First off, WTF is an AA coach...and what is his relationship to Rudolph, and can he be qualified as a character witness. Furthermore, I am sure that many people could probably say "Oh, he is not the kind of guy that would say that.....but then that would be OK....if Rudolph were not put into a very stressful situation. He had thrown 4 Ints. he team was being whipped every way shape or form. He was frustrated, angry and he had just be pounded again by a guy that had been in his grill all night and there he was again, slamming him to the turf (which actually...Myles could have given him a lot worse). It is certainly highly possible, highly possible that all that had built up, and that he had done something that, yes, certainly was stupid and out of character of him to do. Just as, clearly, obviously, Myles did something that was stupid and out of character for him. In fact, equally or more credible would be the testimony of Myles teammates and coaches and friends etc..and whatever an AA coach is, that it would not be in his character to swing that helmet at him....
So, what are we left with?
The same evidence we had before.. The instantaneous "excited utterance" or physical action or reaction. It was clear that at that moment something happened to cause that harsh reaction. Furthermore, there was the statement made to Freddie in the locker room immediately after the incident. These lend credibility to Garrett's claim.
So, when you reach the age of 4, let us all know.
In this instance AA obviously means African American.
Even if the accusation is "credible", which I'm entitled to believe it's not in this context, it's not an actual defense to criminal prosecution for assault. That would have to be self-defense, which this isn't the case obviously. He might have justified that with a punch, but not a helmet. Especially, when there were plenty of people to "protect" him. It's a moot point, unless you're aiming for a reduced sentence.
I'm not even sure that would work if you tried to charge Rudolph with some sort of hate crime. That requires facts that don't exist in this case.
Now, in civil court maybe. Those are clown shows if you get the right judge.
But if you think the NFL gives a shit about that defense, you're nuts. At the moment, they don't have liability insurance for head trauma. There's not an insurance company in the world that will provide it. They're not going to take that risk and who can blame them?
In this instance AA obviously means African American.
Even if the accusation is "credible", which I'm entitled to believe it's not in this context, it's not an actual defense to criminal prosecution for assault.
Who said it was? Maybe you have not been following along. I have stated all along that these are mitigating factors, not exculpatory factors.
That would have to be self-defense, which this isn't the case obviously. He might have justified that with a punch, but not a helmet. Especially, when there were plenty of people to "protect" him. It's a moot point, unless you're aiming for a reduced sentence.
Well...as I said, this is not a court of law....but merely an internal disciplinary proceeding that can...and has imo, made rulings not based on proper legal principles, but rather, on public relations positions. However, you may be wrong about it being a moot point. The claim is that the "sentence" handed down is outside the purview of the league offer to deal out because it violates the terms of the CBA. If the NFLPA chooses (and it remains to see if they are gutless or not), they could file suit to have a court overturn the punisment due to that violation.
I'm not even sure that would work if you tried to charge Rudolph with some sort of hate crime. That requires facts that don't exist in this case.
Again, no one is talking about any such thing. Where the fuck are you coming up with this?
Now, in civil court maybe. Those are clown shows if you get the right judge.
Here you go again, digging yourself deeper into the stupid hole.
But if you think the NFL gives a shit about that defense, you're nuts.
Which defense? Let me learn you something: legally, a "defense" IS something that would exonerate your actions...like self-defense, which, again, neither I nor anyone is claiming is appropriate here. For the umpteenth time, I am talking about mitigating circumstances that would/should/could reduce punishment.
At the moment, they don't have liability insurance for head trauma. There's not an insurance company in the world that will provide it. They're not going to take that risk and who can blame them?
Well...again, here is another situation where this disciplinary proceeding varies from the application of proper legal principles. In a court, you deal with what DID happen.....not with what might have/could have happened. In this case, no harm befell Rudolph...ergo, you cannot punish someone for what could have happened but didn't.
And since you bring up head trauma and insurance....the same thing applies. If Rudolph tried to bring a claim vs. Garrett...or the NFL, and if this was referred to an insurance company for adjustment....they would laugh at the concept that there would be much if any claim for damages. The FIRST thing an insurance company asks is: Is there liability. In this case I am going to say, yes, Myles can be considered liable for his actions (but the provocation issue would, nevertheless still be in play...because an insurance company will use every factor they can think of to deflect their responsibility). But the next thing they ask is: What are the damages? What is the harm? What were the injuries? Show us the x-rays, the CT scan reports, what were the medical expenses. In this case the answer is: Nothing, no harm, no injuries, no med expenses...
And the insurance company will say to Rudolph: Fuck Off, claim denied.
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Pouncey wasn't anywhere near the two until the helmet swing. There's no guarantee he heard it. As far as his wrs rbs ol do you not remember riley cooper of the eagles. The white wide receiver. All his receiver running mates were black. He was caught on tape at a country concert repeatedly saying a racial slur.
Yeah, I remember 100% of the people around Riley Cooper heard what he said, which is a little different than the very tiny percentage of players that heard Rudolph's N bomb. I also remember the African American WR Pitt drafted from Oklahoma State excited Pitt also drafted Mason Rudolph. Sound like race was an issue? It shouldn't.
Again, who snapped the ball to the QB attempting to throw out of the shakey cup pocket protection MG was collapsing from the edge? The Center named Pouncey who just so happens to be African American. He wasn't as far away as you wanted him to be and closer than 9 of MG's teammates that never even made it into the video at all before Ogunjobi entered after all damage was done. What do you want me to pretend with you next aside from suddenly all of MG's teammates were extremely well positioned to hear this controversial whisper? That a QB who lost 100% of his composure found the split second reasoning to conveniently just whisper the N bomb in rage? Doesn't add up at all. Sorry, it just doesn't man.
If MG, not to be confused with his agent dreaming the best way to get more support, mentioned this right after the game as small as I'm sorry how I handled the racial slur by Rudolph - it would have looked 1000 times less fishy. Is it possible I'm wrong here? Absolutely; but I have yet to see 1 thing printed beyond the hope of Cleveland Browns fans that it was actually said.
I'd love for this to be true because it could change things and force further investigation than the length of a cup of coffee it got.
Again, who snapped the ball to the QB attempting to throw out of the shakey cup pocket protection MG was collapsing from the edge? The Center named Pouncey who just so happens to be African American.
Again pouncey was not near him when he hit him or when they went to the ground. For christ sake it was a screen play. Pouncey was down field blocking. You said he would never dare say it because look at who his teammates are. I was simply pointing out riley cooper had a lot of teammates just like rudolph and that didn't stop him from using the racial slurs so you can't just assume because his teammates are mostly one race that he wouldn't use those terms.
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