Damarious Randall benched for Steelers game
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That Eric Murray trade is almost as bad as the Vernon trade. How many games will those guys combine to play this year? 10?
How can you say that about players who are injured and in their first year in a new scheme? Murray has made nice plays and so has Vernon.
Also I wouldn’t call D.Randall a bad trade, we got him for some peanuts, basically.How can you say that about players who are injured and in their first year in a new scheme? Murray has made nice plays and so has Vernon.
Also I wouldn’t call D.Randall a bad trade, we got him for some peanuts, basically.fucking vernon has not done a whole lot and being injured did not help.....non factor this yr.....would not be surprised if we try to get rid of him....
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How can I say that? We traded a solid OLmen for Vernon who even when he has been on the field has played MAYBE two good games. He had Myles Garrett on the other side drawing attention. We gave Ogbah away for Murray. Ogbah’s numbers before he went on IR were better than Vernon’s.
That’s how I can say that...
You saw Vernon out there giving it a go when he could hardly run. He’s injured, man. If he was out there, healthy, with Garrett, we would not be having this discussion.
Murray is injured, too and would’ve played better than that abysmal secondary play today. You can’t argue that.
And go figure, one of the more talented DBs, if not THE most talented, was benched. For coach knows why.You saw Vernon out there giving it a go when he could hardly run. He’s injured, man. If he was out there, healthy, with Garrett, we would not be having this discussion.
Murray is injured, too and would’ve played better than that abysmal secondary play today. You can’t argue that.
And go figure, one of the more talented DBs, if not THE most talented, was benched. For coach knows why.i don't think i heard vernons name more than 10 times this yr when he was playing...he sucked...don't care if he was injured....he was a total non factor...injuries are part of the game....and as far as garrett the thug, i would not be surprised to hear his name during the off season associated in some kind of felony situation...he has a thug mentality and will probably get into some kind of trouble again...
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You saw Vernon out there giving it a go when he could hardly run. He’s injured, man. If he was out there, healthy, with Garrett, we would not be having this discussion.
Murray is injured, too and would’ve played better than that abysmal secondary play today. You can’t argue that.
And go figure, one of the more talented DBs, if not THE most talented, was benched. For coach knows why.i don't think i heard vernons name more than 10 times this yr when he was playing...he sucked...don't care if he was injured....he was a total non factor...injuries are part of the game....and as far as garrett the thug, i would not be surprised to hear his name during the off season associated in some kind of felony situation...he has a thug mentality and will probably get into some kind of trouble again...
as far as garrett the thug, i would not be surprised to hear his name during the off season associated in some kind of felony situation...he has a thug mentality and will probably get into some kind of trouble again...
Wow!
I don't believe that to be true.
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To Randall: I heard today that he didn't want to practice outside in the cold. - but I'm sure there's no shortage of stories...
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It's starting to become very apparent why the Packers gave this guy away for peanuts, and why the Browns have never extended his contract.
Were those the same Packers that were using Randall at CB, which was not a position of need for them?
Same Packers we had inside knowledge of in the form of Eliot Wolf and Alonzo Highsmith?
Of course, the other side of this is that one player is arguably the GOAT at his position, and the player for the Browns is most certainly not. ?
That does complete the argument Flugs was trying to make, but introducing provisos doesn't really help when trying to make a black and white argument.... does it?
Were those the same Packers that were using Randall at CB, which was not a position of need for them?
Didnt we trade for Randall before the draft? The same draft they selected jaire Alexander in the first round. If so I would say they saw CB as a big enough need to draft one in the first round the very same offseason they traded him.
Just looked it up randall was traded March of 2018 and Alexander was drafted in April of 2018. They traded up from 27 to 18 to get Alexander. If he was just drafted as bpa where there pick was originally I could see db not being a need but since they traded up I would guess that they viewed corner as a position of need.
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How can you say that about players who are injured and in their first year in a new scheme? Murray has made nice plays and so has Vernon.
Also I wouldn’t call D.Randall a bad trade, we got him for some peanuts, basically.fucking vernon has not done a whole lot and being injured did not help.....non factor this yr.....would not be surprised if we try to get rid of him....
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You saw Vernon out there giving it a go when he could hardly run. He’s injured, man. If he was out there, healthy, with Garrett, we would not be having this discussion.
Murray is injured, too and would’ve played better than that abysmal secondary play today. You can’t argue that.
And go figure, one of the more talented DBs, if not THE most talented, was benched. For coach knows why.i don't think i heard vernons name more than 10 times this yr when he was playing...he sucked...don't care if he was injured....he was a total non factor...injuries are part of the game....and as far as garrett the thug, i would not be surprised to hear his name during the off season associated in some kind of felony situation...he has a thug mentality and will probably get into some kind of trouble again...
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as far as garrett the thug, i would not be surprised to hear his name during the off season associated in some kind of felony situation...he has a thug mentality and will probably get into some kind of trouble again...
Wow!
I don't believe that to be true.
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To Randall: I heard today that he didn't want to practice outside in the cold. - but I'm sure there's no shortage of stories...
To Randall: I heard today that he didn't want to practice outside in the cold. - but I'm sure there's no shortage of stories...
https://brownszone.com/2019/12/02/freddie-kitchens-says-safety-damarious-randall-will-return-this-week-after-being-benched-vs-steelers/ ? what could happen on a Thanksgiving Day practice?
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To Randall: I heard today that he didn't want to practice outside in the cold. - but I'm sure there's no shortage of stories...
https://brownszone.com/2019/12/02/freddie-kitchens-says-safety-damarious-randall-will-return-this-week-after-being-benched-vs-steelers/ ? what could happen on a Thanksgiving Day practice?
https://brownszone.com/2019/12/02/freddie-kitchens-says-safety-damarious-randall-will-return-this-week-after-being-benched-vs-steelers/ ? what could happen on a Thanksgiving Day practice?
Thanks. Yeah, I heard that part of the interview.
I understand that you have to discipline guys....for the good of the other 52 (unless you're Josh Gordon...in which case you don't even have to go to training camp). But our season was on the line there in Pittsburgh. We couldn't afford to be without our better players. And as it turned out, we COULDN'T afford it. Couldn't he have just given him a spanking or something?
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https://brownszone.com/2019/12/02/freddie-kitchens-says-safety-damarious-randall-will-return-this-week-after-being-benched-vs-steelers/ ? what could happen on a Thanksgiving Day practice?
Thanks. Yeah, I heard that part of the interview.
I understand that you have to discipline guys....for the good of the other 52 (unless you're Josh Gordon...in which case you don't even have to go to training camp). But our season was on the line there in Pittsburgh. We couldn't afford to be without our better players. And as it turned out, we COULDN'T afford it. Couldn't he have just given him a spanking or something?
Couldn't he have just given him a spanking or something?
Randall needs to be 'mic'd up' to what he did.. Duck hit on 3 of 4 long ones..but Randall could have certainly helped the other 52 guys, when Duck dinked for another 10 of 11 passes for under 4 yards in completions that went for yards far further down the field..
Add to the list of losing Vernon/ Chad Thomas/ Greedy/ and Tretter playing on one leg, No we couldn't..Mainly after your coaches elect to run the ball twice, while Baker plays Micheal Jackson running around in his 'Us against the world' white glove ?..I'd expect the injury list to be a long one come Hump Day ?
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It always cracks me up when inevitably the Browns fanbase says, en masse, WE WANT A HARD ASS HEAD COACH WHO TAKES NO SHIT FROM HIS PLAYERS, because when most of them actually run into a coach like this, or a coach who tries to exhibit this trait, the same Browns fans want their "hard ass head coach who takes no shit from his players" coach to be restricted with plenty of fine print and exceptions.
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You saw Vernon out there giving it a go when he could hardly run. He’s injured, man. If he was out there, healthy, with Garrett, we would not be having this discussion.
Murray is injured, too and would’ve played better than that abysmal secondary play today. You can’t argue that.
And go figure, one of the more talented DBs, if not THE most talented, was benched. For coach knows why.i don't think i heard vernons name more than 10 times this yr when he was playing...he sucked...don't care if he was injured....he was a total non factor...injuries are part of the game....and as far as garrett the thug, i would not be surprised to hear his name during the off season associated in some kind of felony situation...he has a thug mentality and will probably get into some kind of trouble again...
i don't think i heard vernons name more than 10 times this yr when he was playing...he sucked...don't care if he was injured....he was a total non factor...injuries are part of the game....and as far as garrett the thug, i would not be surprised to hear his name during the off season associated in some kind of felony situation...he has a thug mentality and will probably get into some kind of trouble again...
Where on the earth would you come up with Myles having a thug attitude?? One of the crazier tales I’ve seen on Myles.
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It always cracks me up when inevitably the Browns fanbase says, en masse, WE WANT A HARD ASS HEAD COACH WHO TAKES NO SHIT FROM HIS PLAYERS, because when most of them actually run into a coach like this, or a coach who tries to exhibit this trait, the same Browns fans want their "hard ass head coach who takes no shit from his players" coach to be restricted with plenty of fine print and exceptions.
It always cracks me up when inevitably the Browns fanbase says, en masse, WE WANT A HARD ASS HEAD COACH WHO TAKES NO SHIT FROM HIS PLAYERS, because when most of them actually run into a coach like this, or a coach who tries to exhibit this trait, the same Browns fans want their "hard ass head coach who takes no shit from his players" coach to be restricted with plenty of fine print and exceptions.
I hear ya. But our season is now done. So, was that good for the other 52?
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i don't think i heard vernons name more than 10 times this yr when he was playing...he sucked...don't care if he was injured....he was a total non factor...injuries are part of the game....and as far as garrett the thug, i would not be surprised to hear his name during the off season associated in some kind of felony situation...he has a thug mentality and will probably get into some kind of trouble again...
Where on the earth would you come up with Myles having a thug attitude?? One of the crazier tales I’ve seen on Myles.
Where on the earth would you come up with Myles having a thug attitude?? One of the crazier tales I’ve seen on Myles.
Because the 52 in his handle is his IQ?
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It always cracks me up when inevitably the Browns fanbase says, en masse, WE WANT A HARD ASS HEAD COACH WHO TAKES NO SHIT FROM HIS PLAYERS, because when most of them actually run into a coach like this, or a coach who tries to exhibit this trait, the same Browns fans want their "hard ass head coach who takes no shit from his players" coach to be restricted with plenty of fine print and exceptions.
I hear ya. But our season is now done. So, was that good for the other 52?
I hear ya. But our season is now done. So, was that good for the other 52?
So there are restrictions, right?
What I want to know is why are you mad at Kitchens for discipling him INSTEAD OF BEING MAD AT THE GUY FOR FUCKING UP DURING THE MOST IMPORTANT WEEK OF THE SEASON?
And I'm not yelling at you Orion, it's everyone who says they're tired of undisciplined, selfish players out of one side of their mouth but then want to pick and choose who and when players get disciplined.
Didn't the entire Josh Gordon/Johnny Manziel debacle teach anyone anything?
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Benching Randall was one of the dumbest things Kitchens has done this year. A coach is judged on his win and losses, leaving Randall at home to go and play a must win game possibly cost us the season. It was boneheaded. He could have sat him a quarter, a half... whatever, but when you are short handed you don't cut off your feet. Bad Kitchens, bad...
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So there are restrictions, right?
What I want to know is why are you mad at Kitchens for discipling him INSTEAD OF BEING MAD AT THE GUY FOR FUCKING UP DURING THE MOST IMPORTANT WEEK OF THE SEASON?
And I'm not yelling at you Orion, it's everyone who says they're tired of undisciplined, selfish players out of one side of their mouth but then want to pick and choose who and when players get disciplined.
Didn't the entire Josh Gordon/Johnny Manziel debacle teach anyone anything?
I repeat, I hear ya. But our season is now done. Was that good for the other 52? Was that good for you and me?
How else could it have been handled? A fine? Could there have been a way to do it other than hurt the team?
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Dear God, I'm on the same side of the fence as Po. huh boy
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So there are restrictions, right?
What I want to know is why are you mad at Kitchens for discipling him INSTEAD OF BEING MAD AT THE GUY FOR FUCKING UP DURING THE MOST IMPORTANT WEEK OF THE SEASON?
And I'm not yelling at you Orion, it's everyone who says they're tired of undisciplined, selfish players out of one side of their mouth but then want to pick and choose who and when players get disciplined.
Didn't the entire Josh Gordon/Johnny Manziel debacle teach anyone anything?
I repeat, I hear ya. But our season is now done. Was that good for the other 52? Was that good for you and me?
How else could it have been handled? A fine? Could there have been a way to do it other than hurt the team?
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Dear God, I'm on the same side of the fence as Po. huh boy
I repeat, I hear ya. But our season is now done. Was that good for the other 52? Was that good for you and me?
How else could it have been handled? A fine? Could there have been a way to do it other than hurt the team?
Actions have consequences.
The Browns are a sloppy, undisciplined organization.
You aren't going to fix this loser culture by basically telling your players "well, there's a sliding scale of what you can and cannot do around here based on who does it and when it is done".
Kitchens isn't the person who fucked up. Randall did.
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I repeat, I hear ya. But our season is now done. Was that good for the other 52? Was that good for you and me?
How else could it have been handled? A fine? Could there have been a way to do it other than hurt the team?
Actions have consequences.
The Browns are a sloppy, undisciplined organization.
You aren't going to fix this loser culture by basically telling your players "well, there's a sliding scale of what you can and cannot do around here based on who does it and when it is done".
Kitchens isn't the person who fucked up. Randall did.
Actions have consequences.
The Browns are a sloppy, undisciplined organization.
You aren't going to fix this loser culture by basically telling your players "well, there's a sliding scale of what you can and cannot do around here based on who does it and when it is done".
Kitchens isn't the person who fucked up. Randall did.
And Bellichick probably lost a super bowl because HE held a player out of the game.
At what point does The Greater Good kick in?
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I honestly don't know what the correct answer is. All I know is that we LOST to another 3rd string QB. Our season came to a screeching halt. And all of us, as well as the 'other 52' were 'probably' affected by the decision to punish one guy. In essence, the rest of us got punished too.
There's gotta be a better way, no?
-------- going to bed. I'm old....or very, very old....as I was told earlier this eve. lol
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You make a guy run, you make him do extra, you make him miss a start, you call him out in front of his peers, you sit him for a quarter or a half, you don't go to the game without him. All that FAMILY bullshit that they preach in the locker room... you don't leave a brother at home with so much at stake to get off on a power trip. That's just another example of "I call the plays/shots" that is going to cost Freddy his duty. His goddamn duty is to beat Pittsburgh, to continue to stack wins. He failed.
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Actions have consequences.
The Browns are a sloppy, undisciplined organization.
You aren't going to fix this loser culture by basically telling your players "well, there's a sliding scale of what you can and cannot do around here based on who does it and when it is done".
Kitchens isn't the person who fucked up. Randall did.
And Bellichick probably lost a super bowl because HE held a player out of the game.
At what point does The Greater Good kick in?
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I honestly don't know what the correct answer is. All I know is that we LOST to another 3rd string QB. Our season came to a screeching halt. And all of us, as well as the 'other 52' were 'probably' affected by the decision to punish one guy. In essence, the rest of us got punished too.
There's gotta be a better way, no?
-------- going to bed. I'm old....or very, very old....as I was told earlier this eve. lol
And Bellichick probably lost a super bowl because HE held a player out of the game.
At what point does The Greater Good kick in?
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I honestly don't know what the correct answer is. All I know is that we LOST to another 3rd string QB. Our season came to a screeching halt. And all of us, as well as the 'other 52' were 'probably' affected by the decision to punish one guy. In essence, the rest of us got punished too.
There's gotta be a better way, no?
There's no point in this argument anymore, Orion.
You literally keep responding with the same things.
I suppose we should just agree to disagree.
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