Looking back - Josh Allen vs Josh Rosen
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He's a star for them. I just explained the difference between Kyler and Lamar. Take it or leave it. Kyler is far more a passer, than a runner. I gave you stats on it in college. Grow up already. If you "don't care" you don't need to open the thread.
For all the guys who didn't play football for whatever reasons, we have a right to our perceptions about the game, too.
You mad, you and your little "boss, de plane, de plane" friend? Because you "knew" that the media labeled Rosen as being by far the most NFL ready, perfect pocket passer, and you went with it completely?100 percentsies? I wasn't going to call anybody out.
You called yourselves out ! LOL LOL
The problem is- that won't buy you a cup of coffee assuming you're right about Rosen and Allen- and it's far too damn early to make a determination. Classic BS on the poly board- when beaten, change the subject- Kyler and Lamar have ZERO to do with your initial premise.
FWIW, you positing character, determination, and desire as a criteria as a primary predictor of success is about on the level of hooey BS as Ghoolie's offensive linemen are a dime a dozen.
Just give it a rest- I can give you a laundry list- starting in 2002 on how "right" I was predicting HOFers- and under performing busts. Want me to? So pack your duck call away and start calling ducks with it. OK?
The problem is- that won't buy you a cup of coffee assuming you're right about Rosen and Allen- and it's far too damn early to make a determination. Classic BS on the poly board- when beaten, change the subject- Kyler and Lamar have ZERO to do with your initial premise.
FWIW, you positing character, determination, and desire as a criteria as a primary predictor of success is about on the level of hooey BS as Ghoolie's offensive linemen are a dime a dozen.
Just give it a rest- I can give you a laundry list- starting in 2002 on how "right" I was predicting HOFers- and under performing busts. Want me to? So pack your duck call away and start calling ducks with it. OK?
The intitial hostility was during the draft. I simply commented on looking back. History is important.
How about you and your two haters STFU and let other people have opinions too? we don't need your stinking permission.
Okay. Now I'm done, and yes, you all stunk up the thread and killed it, and now you complain about the stink.
Have a nice day.
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Can we sum it up Cal =I was SO right about Rosen, even if I have no first hand information on how hard he's trying? Sort of like Corbett?
Nope - I was the one who posted that. I didn't hate Rosen, I just had no respect for his attitude. Meanwhile, admits what I and others said about him. Good for him, personally and for his NFL career. I'm going by facts about Corbett, and drawing my own conclusions.
I don't need your alpha-whine boys band's permission, and neither does anyone else on this board who didn't play football but have watched the Browns since the Leroy Kelly days.
My work in this here thread is done. Wait...
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Bills’ Josh Allen and Ravens’ Lamar Jackson will make NFL history for this stat Sunday
Updated Dec 03, 2019;Posted Dec 03, 2019"
"Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen and Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson are the two most successful signal callers from the 2018 draft class despite being the third and fifth quarterbacks selected."
" Their teams are a combined 19-5 on the season and both players are likely headed to the playoffs. "
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On the other side, Allen hasn’t been as dependent on running the ball this season but it’s largely been due to him becoming a more effective passer. He’s rushed for 430 yards on about the same number of carries he had in his 12 games as a rookie, but he’s averaging almost two and a half yards per carry less. What hasn’t changed is Allen’s ability to score when running it. He has eight rushing touchdowns on the season and that’s the most by any quarterback in the league.
The Bills are coming off their most impressive game of the season in a 26-15 win in Dallas on Thanksgiving. The Bills sit at 9-3 and within a game of the New England Patriots in the AFC East."
Nope - I was the one who posted that. I didn't hate Rosen, I just had no respect for his attitude. Meanwhile, admits what I and others said about him. Good for him, personally and for his NFL career. I'm going by facts about Corbett, and drawing my own conclusions.
I don't need your alpha-whine boys band's permission, and neither does anyone else on this board who didn't play football but have watched the Browns since the Leroy Kelly days.
My work in this here thread is done. Wait...
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Bills’ Josh Allen and Ravens’ Lamar Jackson will make NFL history for this stat Sunday
Updated Dec 03, 2019;Posted Dec 03, 2019"
"Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen and Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson are the two most successful signal callers from the 2018 draft class despite being the third and fifth quarterbacks selected."
" Their teams are a combined 19-5 on the season and both players are likely headed to the playoffs. "
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On the other side, Allen hasn’t been as dependent on running the ball this season but it’s largely been due to him becoming a more effective passer. He’s rushed for 430 yards on about the same number of carries he had in his 12 games as a rookie, but he’s averaging almost two and a half yards per carry less. What hasn’t changed is Allen’s ability to score when running it. He has eight rushing touchdowns on the season and that’s the most by any quarterback in the league.
The Bills are coming off their most impressive game of the season in a 26-15 win in Dallas on Thanksgiving. The Bills sit at 9-3 and within a game of the New England Patriots in the AFC East."
Oh WOW, I've watched the Browns since the days of Jim Brown- in person- so I out rank you. If you think being in the military somehow relates to pro football,sorry- it doesn't.
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The problem is- that won't buy you a cup of coffee assuming you're right about Rosen and Allen- and it's far too damn early to make a determination. Classic BS on the poly board- when beaten, change the subject- Kyler and Lamar have ZERO to do with your initial premise.
FWIW, you positing character, determination, and desire as a criteria as a primary predictor of success is about on the level of hooey BS as Ghoolie's offensive linemen are a dime a dozen.
Just give it a rest- I can give you a laundry list- starting in 2002 on how "right" I was predicting HOFers- and under performing busts. Want me to? So pack your duck call away and start calling ducks with it. OK?
The intitial hostility was during the draft. I simply commented on looking back. History is important.
How about you and your two haters STFU and let other people have opinions too? we don't need your stinking permission.
Okay. Now I'm done, and yes, you all stunk up the thread and killed it, and now you complain about the stink.
Have a nice day.
The initial hostility was during the draft. I simply commented on looking back. History is important.
How about you and your two haters STFU and let other people have opinions too? we don't need your stinking permission.
Okay. Now I'm done, and yes, you all stunk up the thread and killed it, and now you complain about the stink.
Have a nice day.
Cal, you stunk it up holding on to an untenable position.
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The initial hostility was during the draft. I simply commented on looking back. History is important.
How about you and your two haters STFU and let other people have opinions too? we don't need your stinking permission.
Okay. Now I'm done, and yes, you all stunk up the thread and killed it, and now you complain about the stink.
Have a nice day.
Cal, you stunk it up holding on to an untenable position.
Cal, you stunk it up holding on to an untenable position.
Hey now, my dumb opinions are no cause for stink. Just ignore em. Certain folks can't let others have
opinions around here. Tiam and Tour didn't have to open the thread at all. and the rest of us don't need no stinking permission from them.
Have a nice day.
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Brilliantly sums up those who use the word "haters". Especially cringe worthy when it's anyone over the age of 16...
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The biggest thing people need to see (or realize) in both Jackson's and Allen's cases is how important organization, coaching, and scheming are to the success of a football team.
People quickly are forgetting Harbaugh was a bit "on the bubble" (which I thought was absurd) last year. The way the Ravens drafted these last two years specifically was built to play into Jackson's obvious God given ability to play the game. Unfortunately, we're seeing in many ways the exact opposite here in Cleveland lately. The reason we have 5 wins is strictly due to talent, but we're never going to "get over the hump" until we move into this mode of thinking,
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The biggest thing people need to see (or realize) in both Jackson's and Allen's cases is how important organization, coaching, and scheming are to the success of a football team.
People quickly are forgetting Harbaugh was a bit "on the bubble" (which I thought was absurd) last year. The way the Ravens drafted these last two years specifically was built to play into Jackson's obvious God given ability to play the game. Unfortunately, we're seeing in many ways the exact opposite here in Cleveland lately. The reason we have 5 wins is strictly due to talent, but we're never going to "get over the hump" until we move into this mode of thinking,
The biggest thing people need to see (or realize) in both Jackson's and Allen's cases is how important organization, coaching, and scheming are to the success of a football team.
People quickly are forgetting Harbaugh was a bit "on the bubble" (which I thought was absurd) last year. The way the Ravens drafted these last two years specifically was built to play into Jackson's obvious God given ability to play the game. Unfortunately, we're seeing in many ways the exact opposite here in Cleveland lately. The reason we have 5 wins is strictly due to talent, but we're never going to "get over the hump" until we move into this mode of thinking,
This is also true. I hate to see Kitchens blamed for not winning, though - why is it the head coach is always to blame? The responsibility is on his shoulders, "buck falls here" ...but I wonder if we just need a different person calling the plays, maybe a different db coach.
And one look at the depth chart recently - the depth is playing in too many areas. Our offensive line - when I heard that Chubb is on pace for 1600 yards? I was flat out amazed. I would have loved for the defense to have stayed healthy, and they are still a very good defense.
Anyways, we've all seen years where the Browns played like they knew it was hopeless, and just seemed to have quit.
These Browns kick ass and leave it all out on the field. These Browns love Freddie Kitchens. Firing ANOTHER HC is just not doing anything to fix the Browns' weaknesses. Dorsey needs to be more careful about the chances he takes on players.
FOR INSTANCE - it's true, btw - Josh Rosen hasn't had a good team to play on....but...
LT ronnie stanley - 1st round, pick 6 (balt) 2016
OG bradley boseman - 6th round (Balt)2018
Patrick Mekari - UDFA rookie (BALT)2019
Marshal Yanda - 3rd round (Balt) 2007
Orlando Brown, Jr - 3rd round (Balt) 2018This is the ratbirds' offensive line. They pay attention to it.
I mean - JOE FLACCO ? They could put different qb's back there and the qb could play.
Lamar Jackson is just a spectacular athlete. The problem is, drafting and making mistakes. That isn't Freddie Kitchens' fault.
The Browns are very, very close. Agonizing, yes. But very, very close. Just not...there...yet. dammit.
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.. but according to you less about leadership.
You continue to pretend that thru observation you can evaluate the intangibles, leadership, heart, etc., when you have never shown the ability to evaluate the tangibles that are there for all to see. Then you simply embrace any media that supports your take and reject any other.
It's the same in every section of this Forum. It's just less dangerous in this section.
which means absolutely nothing and isn't true. I've been watching the Browns since the early days. Leroy Kelly, etc. Wasn't a Jim Brown fan. attitude. I'm not pretending anything. I knew outstanding leaders in the military, and alpha male pretenders who can't be disagreed with because it deflates their core. Then, they go into a thread and make it belligerent and personal. I don't post very much...but I'm not going to kiss your pinko ring because you played football and I didn't.
Brag on how you played football - I don't care. Plenty of guys who played football were stupid in life, and screwed up their lives.
I simply post from different references, to respond to your bitching that I didn't play football. Phil Robertson had the freaking talent. Bradshaw knows far more than you, and he says Robertson had all the talent in the world,
Ignore it all you want - to protect your ego, but you are extremely pissed, sorry bout that, but Phil Robertson's heart wasn't in it. And he decided he didn't want to play for money. There are guys who did decide to play for money, and some languish around the NFL, some ruin their careers with off the field garbage, etc.
That is a lack of character on the latter.
which means absolutely nothing and isn't true. I've been watching the Browns since the early days. Leroy Kelly, etc. Wasn't a Jim Brown fan. attitude. I'm not pretending anything. I knew outstanding leaders in the military, and alpha male pretenders who can't be disagreed with because it deflates their core. Then, they go into a thread and make it belligerent and personal. I don't post very much...but I'm not going to kiss your pinko ring because you played football and I didn't.
Brag on how you played football - I don't care. Plenty of guys who played football were stupid in life, and screwed up their lives.
I simply post from different references, to respond to your bitching that I didn't play football. Phil Robertson had the freaking talent. Bradshaw knows far more than you, and he says Robertson had all the talent in the world,
Ignore it all you want - to protect your ego, but you are extremely pissed, sorry bout that, but Phil Robertson's heart wasn't in it. And he decided he didn't want to play for money. There are guys who did decide to play for money, and some languish around the NFL, some ruin their careers with off the field garbage, etc.
That is a lack of character on the latter.
I have never commented on your having played or not played football, because I never knew whether you did or not.
Seeing leadership up close, in real life is a far different from divining it thru a TV set. The latter is what you pretend you can do.
Everything else in your post is pure projection on your part since I'm not pissed and my ego is certainly not threatened by you.
Pinko ring? Weird comment coming from Kremlin Kal.
Who the fuck is Phil Robertson?
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Nope - I was the one who posted that. I didn't hate Rosen, I just had no respect for his attitude. Meanwhile, admits what I and others said about him. Good for him, personally and for his NFL career. I'm going by facts about Corbett, and drawing my own conclusions.
I don't need your alpha-whine boys band's permission, and neither does anyone else on this board who didn't play football but have watched the Browns since the Leroy Kelly days.
My work in this here thread is done. Wait...
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Bills’ Josh Allen and Ravens’ Lamar Jackson will make NFL history for this stat Sunday
Updated Dec 03, 2019;Posted Dec 03, 2019"
"Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen and Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson are the two most successful signal callers from the 2018 draft class despite being the third and fifth quarterbacks selected."
" Their teams are a combined 19-5 on the season and both players are likely headed to the playoffs. "
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On the other side, Allen hasn’t been as dependent on running the ball this season but it’s largely been due to him becoming a more effective passer. He’s rushed for 430 yards on about the same number of carries he had in his 12 games as a rookie, but he’s averaging almost two and a half yards per carry less. What hasn’t changed is Allen’s ability to score when running it. He has eight rushing touchdowns on the season and that’s the most by any quarterback in the league.
The Bills are coming off their most impressive game of the season in a 26-15 win in Dallas on Thanksgiving. The Bills sit at 9-3 and within a game of the New England Patriots in the AFC East."
Oh WOW, I've watched the Browns since the days of Jim Brown- in person- so I out rank you. If you think being in the military somehow relates to pro football,sorry- it doesn't.
Wow.... the page turned after I made the above reply and there were three more fevered posts by the "non-pissed" Kal... lol
Oh WOW, I've watched the Browns since the days of Jim Brown- in person- so I out rank you.
Wow... me, too, h...
Tiam and Tour didn't have to open the thread at all...
Wouldn't have seemed right since you wrote it for us.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
which means absolutely nothing and isn't true. I've been watching the Browns since the early days. Leroy Kelly, etc. Wasn't a Jim Brown fan. attitude. I'm not pretending anything. I knew outstanding leaders in the military, and alpha male pretenders who can't be disagreed with because it deflates their core. Then, they go into a thread and make it belligerent and personal. I don't post very much...but I'm not going to kiss your pinko ring because you played football and I didn't.
Brag on how you played football - I don't care. Plenty of guys who played football were stupid in life, and screwed up their lives.
I simply post from different references, to respond to your bitching that I didn't play football. Phil Robertson had the freaking talent. Bradshaw knows far more than you, and he says Robertson had all the talent in the world,
Ignore it all you want - to protect your ego, but you are extremely pissed, sorry bout that, but Phil Robertson's heart wasn't in it. And he decided he didn't want to play for money. There are guys who did decide to play for money, and some languish around the NFL, some ruin their careers with off the field garbage, etc.
That is a lack of character on the latter.
I have never commented on your having played or not played football, because I never knew whether you did or not.
Seeing leadership up close, in real life is a far different from divining it thru a TV set. The latter is what you pretend you can do.
Everything else in your post is pure projection on your part since I'm not pissed and my ego is certainly not threatened by you.
Pinko ring? Weird comment coming from Kremlin Kal.
Who the fuck is Phil Robertson?
I have never commented on your having played or not played football, because I never knew whether you did or not.
Seeing leadership up close, in real life is a far different from divining it thru a TV set. The latter is what you pretend you can do.
Everything else in your post is pure projection on your part since I'm not pissed and my ego is certainly not threatened by you.
Pinko ring? Weird comment coming from Kremlin Kal.
Who the fuck is Phil Robertson?
But your little attack weasel Tiam did, and you back him up like you're his nanny. How do you think you don't see leadership in the military? Stop and think. You think the military is watching TV ? what the...
"Seeing leadership up close" because you played FOOTBALL ? You just did what I said you did. lol
If you ego isn't threatened, what the heck are you doing entering this thread and getting all antagonistic about my op? "pinko ring" is a retort towards "kremlin kal" whatever that means. and keep your politics off this forum, pulleaze.
I've already posted about Phil Robertson. He was the starting qb ahead of Terry Bradshaw in college. Bradshaw said it himself - he may never have won superbowls if Phil hadn't quit football to get back to the woods, hunting and fishing, which he loved.
Phil Robertson is the father of the rest of the Robertson family - the show was "Duck Dynasty".
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Attack weasel? ... Honestly, that's about as close to a Mongoose as I'm going to get from you - So I'll take that as a compliment.
To recap before captain manboobs carries on.... He's referencing a thread from the Poli board. Can't remember exactly how it started, which is about the norm for most of the shit spewed there.
Basically I was offered up an insult about "leadership" and locker room camaraderie on the football field. I politely reminded (sarcasm) you-know-who, that he has no idea what he's talking about. Both in the sense that he has no idea, but also that he himself has never set foot on a field or locker room.
Pretty sure I tossed in a 'fake tough guy' jab just to slap a bow on it.
In my defense, if he didn't say dumb and insulting shit, I wouldn't have had to call him out. So who's really at fault here?
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Seeing leadership up close, in real life is a far different from divining it thru a TV set. The latter is what you pretend you can do.TOUR
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LOL. you are being an ass now. Here's a few things you can know - my apprenticeship in a machine shop ran out a year after high school, and immediately I got drafted in 1970. They saw the big 11" scar on my knee, at the physical...having had it restructured the summer after the ninth grade, and ended up telling me they were sending me home because my knee wouldn't last one week in basic.
Everything else but my knee was perfect.
2 1/2 years later, I enlisted - there was going to be a huge long strike at Dad's work, and it was going to be hostile and last months. And, a rubber company closed, and there were thousands of those employees frantically signing up for every job. So...
I enlisted. They weren't going to let me in, but I enlisted in the Air Force, because the Navy recruiter looked at the xray I showed him of my knee and he said he didn't think they would let my knee into any branch - but a remote possibility was the Air Force - it was the shortest.
So I did. And they were going to send me home, but I told them why I did it, and how they had to give me that chance. After another three doctors there consulted, the two doctors came over and said "son, you have too much gumption for your own good, ...but we're going to give you that chance - but ...only...because it's the shortest basic. We hope you make it son, but that knee... you're going to need some luck."
Towards the end of my enlistment, like I told your little buddy Tiamsies, I was asked to join OSI. OSI is the Air Force version of NCIS in the Navy/Marines. My squadron commander said in all his years - he had only one other person recruited to the OSI, and that it was a very high honor.
But, I had a bad knee, and figured my knee couldn't take anymore. Too bad. But I'm a bit like Phil Robertson - hunting and fishing with my Dad was calling me back home. I never intended to be a lifer.
After I retired, my knee was so bad, my Wife cried, and insisted I had to go get a new knee.
Yeah, you played football and only you know about leadership? Incredibly small of you, Tour. You have no idea.
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Just looking at the date of this thread and a couple others, I really just think Cal got bored over the holiday break.
Very sweet he would think of us though.
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Just looking at the date of this thread and a couple others, I really just think Cal got bored over the holiday break.
Very sweet he would think of us though.
Just looking at the date of this thread and a couple others, I really just think Cal got bored over the holiday break.
Very sweet he would think of us though.
Actually, it only came up because we played Buffalo and Miami, and Canton Mike and I went and watched us play the Bills. We got to see first hand how Allen is coming along. So, it was raining and I didn't want to go work in the barn splitting more wood, I was doing some online Christmas shopping, and...
I posted it. What goes around, Comes around. Have a nice day.
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I don't get the same vibe I got when the Bears once went something like 10-3 with Kyle Orton game managing them in the absence of Rex Grossman.
I do.... except Orton wasn't a runner.
CHI then was much the same situation as BUF today where D plus run game (now including their QB) has been the order of the day. And while Allen has developed some as a passer, he still is not "franchise" caliber in my book. Not saying he never will be... just saying I still don't like his odds.
As for AZ.... a lot more has changed than just the QB.
I do.... except Orton wasn't a runner.
CHI then was much the same situation as BUF today where D plus run game (now including their QB) has been the order of the day. And while Allen has developed some as a passer, he still is not "franchise" caliber in my book. Not saying he never will be... just saying I still don't like his odds.
As for AZ.... a lot more has changed than just the QB.
I don't disagree with some of your Allen points. I just said it looks like I was wrong when I said I'd rather have Rosen than Allen if we didn't get either of my top 2 choices (Baker & Darnold-Duck). To me it seemed Rosen played against better DI competition alongside better DI competitors; and wasn't as overwhelmed as Allen was by the tougher parts of the schedule. Both guys have strong arms and Rosen's game numbers reflected a more accurate passer in college.
Now that it's not college any more and we've seen a guy like Baker Mayfield not need any excuses as a rookie drafted by an 0-16 football team - it should remind us the right QB can take a winless football team (even in 2018 they were 0-1-1 and sporting a 14 point deficit the first time he took the field and erased it). They were also without Joe Thomas at LT and relying on a backup/fill-in starter only in Pitt as our RT with Hue as our Head Coach to remind you this wasn't exactly Easy Street.
So, here's where we are today with our debate about Rosen vrs Allen. One guy has improved and become a credible leader of a team that is 9-3. The other guy isn't good enough to start over Ryan Fitzpatrick as we speak. Rosen led Miami to 0-6 while Ryan Fitzpatrick has the same teammates 3-3.
After 12 games, Allen had a 10 TD:12 INT ratio, 52.8 comp % (w/8 rushing TDs) & 8 fumbles 2 lost as a rookie in 2018.
After 12 games, Allen has a 16TD:8 INT ratio, 61.5 comp % (w/8 rushing TDs) & 12 fumbles 3 lost in 2019.
In 14 games, Rosen had a 11 TD:14 INT ratio, 55.2 comp % (w/0 rushing TDs) & 10 fumbles 5 lost as a rookie in 2018.
In 6 games, Rosen has a 1 TD:5 INT ratio, 53.2 comp % (w/0 rushing TDs) & 1 fumble 0 lost in 2019.
Since then in Miami:
In 6 games, Fitzpatrick has a 13 TD:11 INT ratio, 62.8 comp % (w/3 rushing TDs) & 2 fumbles 0 lost in 2019.
Once upon a time, there was a guy that was often called the most pro-ready QB of his draft class (pre-draft) by scouts and draftniks. Brady Quinn was smart enough for a 4.0 GPA but it never expedited his ability to read through his progressions quick enough for the speed of the game. He also wasn't very good at throwing guys open. His inability to be on time with the throw never allowed him to be the man or elevate the play of teammates regardless of what round he was drafted in. I see some of this in Rosen while you don't want to. Until Rosen proves otherwise, I'm comfortable saying I think Josh Allen is the better QB overall in today's game. He's improving while Rosen hasn't.
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IDK if it's been said, but a bit more on topic. I'm not sure you could possibly point to a "worse" situation a young QB has been placed into in recent memory than Rosen. I'm not going to pretend I wasn't a big Rosen guy, but Allen (like Jackson) has been put in a system and organization who gave him a chance to excel. The Cardinals and Dolphins are the literal opposite of that.
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IDK if it's been said, but a bit more on topic. I'm not sure you could possibly point to a "worse" situation a young QB has been placed into in recent memory than Rosen. I'm not going to pretend I wasn't a big Rosen guy, but Allen (like Jackson) has been put in a system and organization who gave him a chance to excel. The Cardinals and Dolphins are the literal opposite of that.
IDK if it's been said, but a bit more on topic. I'm not sure you could possibly point to a "worse" situation a young QB has been placed into in recent memory than Rosen. I'm not going to pretend I wasn't a big Rosen guy, but Allen (like Jackson) has been put in a system and organization who gave him a chance to excel. The Cardinals and Dolphins are the literal opposite of that.
He did go to a bad team/bad offensive line.
Last year, end of the 2017 season...Arizona's offensive line was rated 27th..
but Buffalo's offensive line was rated 29th.
that's per https://www.pff.com/news/pro-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2018
The upside is Rosen admitted he realized he had to change things about himself, how he approached the game,
etc etc, by watching Fitz. Should be interesting to see how much he improves before next season.
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Attack weasel? ... Honestly, that's about as close to a Mongoose as I'm going to get from you - So I'll take that as a compliment.
To recap before captain manboobs carries on.... He's referencing a thread from the Poli board. Can't remember exactly how it started, which is about the norm for most of the shit spewed there.
Basically I was offered up an insult about "leadership" and locker room camaraderie on the football field. I politely reminded (sarcasm) you-know-who, that he has no idea what he's talking about. Both in the sense that he has no idea, but also that he himself has never set foot on a field or locker room.
Pretty sure I tossed in a 'fake tough guy' jab just to slap a bow on it.
In my defense, if he didn't say dumb and insulting shit, I wouldn't have had to call him out. So who's really at fault here?
Attack weasel? ... Honestly, that's about as close to a Mongoose as I'm going to get from you - So I'll take that as a compliment.
To recap before captain manboobs carries on.... He's referencing a thread from the Poli board. Can't remember exactly how it started, which is about the norm for most of the shit spewed there.
Basically I was offered up an insult about "leadership" and locker room camaraderie on the football field. I politely reminded (sarcasm) you-know-who, that he has no idea what he's talking about. Both in the sense that he has no idea, but also that he himself has never set foot on a field or locker room.
Pretty sure I tossed in a 'fake tough guy' jab just to slap a bow on it.
In my defense, if he didn't say dumb and insulting shit, I wouldn't have had to call him out. So who's really at fault here?
The Duck Dynasty guy isn't the only one who had talent and bowed out of football. Not by a long shot. In my sport (tennis) I've had talented guys tell me they gave up because they were just tired of busting their ass 5-6 hours every day for 10 years to try and continue. First off, there's no guarantee Mr. Duck would have succeeded in the pros. And Bradshaw FWIW- was a pretty lousy QB by 2019 standards- and benefited greatly having a cast of future HOFers surrounding him.
Chris Borland called it quits after a year over injury concerns.
Using outliers to try and prove desire and competitiveness are a major factor in determining pro success, well- just no. I've made the point armchair GMs have no clue the level of detail NFL coaches go through evaluating why a guy isn't cutting it in the pros. Hell's Bells, every guy that gets drafted already has passed the scouts eyes as being talented enough to get drafted in the first place. Certainly every first round draftee gets analyzed to death, not only on talent- but a bunch of psychological testing on top of that. Yet every year like clockwork, some of them bust big time. Do some fail due to lack of desire once they start cashing big paychecks? Sure, but they're far in the minority.
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Attack weasel? ... Honestly, that's about as close to a Mongoose as I'm going to get from you - So I'll take that as a compliment.
To recap before captain manboobs carries on.... He's referencing a thread from the Poli board. Can't remember exactly how it started, which is about the norm for most of the shit spewed there.
Basically I was offered up an insult about "leadership" and locker room camaraderie on the football field. I politely reminded (sarcasm) you-know-who, that he has no idea what he's talking about. Both in the sense that he has no idea, but also that he himself has never set foot on a field or locker room.
Pretty sure I tossed in a 'fake tough guy' jab just to slap a bow on it.
In my defense, if he didn't say dumb and insulting shit, I wouldn't have had to call him out. So who's really at fault here?
The Duck Dynasty guy isn't the only one who had talent and bowed out of football. Not by a long shot. In my sport (tennis) I've had talented guys tell me they gave up because they were just tired of busting their ass 5-6 hours every day for 10 years to try and continue. First off, there's no guarantee Mr. Duck would have succeeded in the pros. And Bradshaw FWIW- was a pretty lousy QB by 2019 standards- and benefited greatly having a cast of future HOFers surrounding him.
Chris Borland called it quits after a year over injury concerns.
Using outliers to try and prove desire and competitiveness are a major factor in determining pro success, well- just no. I've made the point armchair GMs have no clue the level of detail NFL coaches go through evaluating why a guy isn't cutting it in the pros. Hell's Bells, every guy that gets drafted already has passed the scouts eyes as being talented enough to get drafted in the first place. Certainly every first round draftee gets analyzed to death, not only on talent- but a bunch of psychological testing on top of that. Yet every year like clockwork, some of them bust big time. Do some fail due to lack of desire once they start cashing big paychecks? Sure, but they're far in the minority.
The Duck Dynasty guy isn't the only one who had talent and bowed out of football. Not by a long shot. In my sport (tennis) I've had talented guys tell me they gave up because they were just tired of busting their ass 5-6 hours every day for 10 years to try and continue. First off, there's no guarantee Mr. Duck would have succeeded in the pros. And Bradshaw FWIW- was a pretty lousy QB by 2019 standards- and benefited greatly having a cast of future HOFers surrounding him.
Chris Borland called it quits after a year over injury concerns.
Using outliers to try and prove desire and competitiveness are a major factor in determining pro success, well- just no. I've made the point armchair GMs have no clue the level of detail NFL coaches go through evaluating why a guy isn't cutting it in the pros. Hell's Bells, every guy that gets drafted already has passed the scouts eyes as being talented enough to get drafted in the first place. Certainly every first round draftee gets analyzed to death, not only on talent- but a bunch of psychological testing on top of that. Yet every year like clockwork, some of them bust big time. Do some fail due to lack of desire once they start cashing big paychecks? Sure, but they're far in the minority.
You quote the right dude here? Because I read this twice and I"m lost.
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