Looking back - Josh Allen vs Josh Rosen
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And then I was all like...
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After taking 10 seconds to think about it... Ended up all like.
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Man did this thread die. 🥷
You weren't titillated by cal's enthralling stories about some fake hillbilly and his love for the outdoors?
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You weren't titillated by cal's enthralling stories about some fake hillbilly and his love for the outdoors?
Can we sum it up Cal =I was SO right about Rosen, even if I have no first hand information on how hard he's trying? Sort of like Corbett?
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You weren't titillated by cal's enthralling stories about some fake hillbilly and his love for the outdoors?
Can we sum it up Cal =I was SO right about Rosen, even if I have no first hand information on how hard he's trying? Sort of like Corbett?
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lol... Is that why Ravens' players surround Jackson and chant "MVP"?
He's a star for them. I just explained the difference between Kyler and Lamar. Take it or leave it. Kyler is far more a passer, than a runner. I gave you stats on it in college. Grow up already. If you "don't care" you don't need to open the thread.
For all the guys who didn't play football for whatever reasons, we have a right to our perceptions about the game, too.
You mad, you and your little "boss, de plane, de plane" friend? Because you "knew" that the media labeled Rosen as being by far the most NFL ready, perfect pocket passer, and you went with it completely?100 percentsies? I wasn't going to call anybody out.
You called yourselves out ! LOL LOL
He's a star for them. I just explained the difference between Kyler and Lamar. Take it or leave it. Kyler is far more a passer, than a runner. I gave you stats on it in college. Grow up already. If you "don't care" you don't need to open the thread.
For all the guys who didn't play football for whatever reasons, we have a right to our perceptions about the game, too.
You mad, you and your little "boss, de plane, de plane" friend? Because you "knew" that the media labeled Rosen as being by far the most NFL ready, perfect pocket passer, and you went with it completely?100 percentsies? I wasn't going to call anybody out.
You called yourselves out ! LOL LOL
The problem is- that won't buy you a cup of coffee assuming you're right about Rosen and Allen- and it's far too damn early to make a determination. Classic BS on the poly board- when beaten, change the subject- Kyler and Lamar have ZERO to do with your initial premise.
FWIW, you positing character, determination, and desire as a criteria as a primary predictor of success is about on the level of hooey BS as Ghoolie's offensive linemen are a dime a dozen.
Just give it a rest- I can give you a laundry list- starting in 2002 on how "right" I was predicting HOFers- and under performing busts. Want me to? So pack your duck call away and start calling ducks with it. OK?
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You weren't titillated by cal's enthralling stories about some fake hillbilly and his love for the outdoors?
Can we sum it up Cal =I was SO right about Rosen, even if I have no first hand information on how hard he's trying? Sort of like Corbett?
Can we sum it up Cal =I was SO right about Rosen, even if I have no first hand information on how hard he's trying? Sort of like Corbett?
Nope - I was the one who posted that. I didn't hate Rosen, I just had no respect for his attitude. Meanwhile, admits what I and others said about him. Good for him, personally and for his NFL career. I'm going by facts about Corbett, and drawing my own conclusions.
I don't need your alpha-whine boys band's permission, and neither does anyone else on this board who didn't play football but have watched the Browns since the Leroy Kelly days.
My work in this here thread is done. Wait...
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Bills’ Josh Allen and Ravens’ Lamar Jackson will make NFL history for this stat Sunday
Updated Dec 03, 2019;Posted Dec 03, 2019"
"Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen and Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson are the two most successful signal callers from the 2018 draft class despite being the third and fifth quarterbacks selected."
" Their teams are a combined 19-5 on the season and both players are likely headed to the playoffs. "
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On the other side, Allen hasn’t been as dependent on running the ball this season but it’s largely been due to him becoming a more effective passer. He’s rushed for 430 yards on about the same number of carries he had in his 12 games as a rookie, but he’s averaging almost two and a half yards per carry less. What hasn’t changed is Allen’s ability to score when running it. He has eight rushing touchdowns on the season and that’s the most by any quarterback in the league.
The Bills are coming off their most impressive game of the season in a 26-15 win in Dallas on Thanksgiving. The Bills sit at 9-3 and within a game of the New England Patriots in the AFC East."
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He's a star for them. I just explained the difference between Kyler and Lamar. Take it or leave it. Kyler is far more a passer, than a runner. I gave you stats on it in college. Grow up already. If you "don't care" you don't need to open the thread.
For all the guys who didn't play football for whatever reasons, we have a right to our perceptions about the game, too.
You mad, you and your little "boss, de plane, de plane" friend? Because you "knew" that the media labeled Rosen as being by far the most NFL ready, perfect pocket passer, and you went with it completely?100 percentsies? I wasn't going to call anybody out.
You called yourselves out ! LOL LOL
The problem is- that won't buy you a cup of coffee assuming you're right about Rosen and Allen- and it's far too damn early to make a determination. Classic BS on the poly board- when beaten, change the subject- Kyler and Lamar have ZERO to do with your initial premise.
FWIW, you positing character, determination, and desire as a criteria as a primary predictor of success is about on the level of hooey BS as Ghoolie's offensive linemen are a dime a dozen.
Just give it a rest- I can give you a laundry list- starting in 2002 on how "right" I was predicting HOFers- and under performing busts. Want me to? So pack your duck call away and start calling ducks with it. OK?
The problem is- that won't buy you a cup of coffee assuming you're right about Rosen and Allen- and it's far too damn early to make a determination. Classic BS on the poly board- when beaten, change the subject- Kyler and Lamar have ZERO to do with your initial premise.
FWIW, you positing character, determination, and desire as a criteria as a primary predictor of success is about on the level of hooey BS as Ghoolie's offensive linemen are a dime a dozen.
Just give it a rest- I can give you a laundry list- starting in 2002 on how "right" I was predicting HOFers- and under performing busts. Want me to? So pack your duck call away and start calling ducks with it. OK?
The intitial hostility was during the draft. I simply commented on looking back. History is important.
How about you and your two haters STFU and let other people have opinions too? we don't need your stinking permission.
Okay. Now I'm done, and yes, you all stunk up the thread and killed it, and now you complain about the stink.
Have a nice day.
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Can we sum it up Cal =I was SO right about Rosen, even if I have no first hand information on how hard he's trying? Sort of like Corbett?
Nope - I was the one who posted that. I didn't hate Rosen, I just had no respect for his attitude. Meanwhile, admits what I and others said about him. Good for him, personally and for his NFL career. I'm going by facts about Corbett, and drawing my own conclusions.
I don't need your alpha-whine boys band's permission, and neither does anyone else on this board who didn't play football but have watched the Browns since the Leroy Kelly days.
My work in this here thread is done. Wait...
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Bills’ Josh Allen and Ravens’ Lamar Jackson will make NFL history for this stat Sunday
Updated Dec 03, 2019;Posted Dec 03, 2019"
"Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen and Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson are the two most successful signal callers from the 2018 draft class despite being the third and fifth quarterbacks selected."
" Their teams are a combined 19-5 on the season and both players are likely headed to the playoffs. "
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On the other side, Allen hasn’t been as dependent on running the ball this season but it’s largely been due to him becoming a more effective passer. He’s rushed for 430 yards on about the same number of carries he had in his 12 games as a rookie, but he’s averaging almost two and a half yards per carry less. What hasn’t changed is Allen’s ability to score when running it. He has eight rushing touchdowns on the season and that’s the most by any quarterback in the league.
The Bills are coming off their most impressive game of the season in a 26-15 win in Dallas on Thanksgiving. The Bills sit at 9-3 and within a game of the New England Patriots in the AFC East."
Nope - I was the one who posted that. I didn't hate Rosen, I just had no respect for his attitude. Meanwhile, admits what I and others said about him. Good for him, personally and for his NFL career. I'm going by facts about Corbett, and drawing my own conclusions.
I don't need your alpha-whine boys band's permission, and neither does anyone else on this board who didn't play football but have watched the Browns since the Leroy Kelly days.
My work in this here thread is done. Wait...
"
Bills’ Josh Allen and Ravens’ Lamar Jackson will make NFL history for this stat Sunday
Updated Dec 03, 2019;Posted Dec 03, 2019"
"Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen and Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson are the two most successful signal callers from the 2018 draft class despite being the third and fifth quarterbacks selected."
" Their teams are a combined 19-5 on the season and both players are likely headed to the playoffs. "
"
On the other side, Allen hasn’t been as dependent on running the ball this season but it’s largely been due to him becoming a more effective passer. He’s rushed for 430 yards on about the same number of carries he had in his 12 games as a rookie, but he’s averaging almost two and a half yards per carry less. What hasn’t changed is Allen’s ability to score when running it. He has eight rushing touchdowns on the season and that’s the most by any quarterback in the league.
The Bills are coming off their most impressive game of the season in a 26-15 win in Dallas on Thanksgiving. The Bills sit at 9-3 and within a game of the New England Patriots in the AFC East."
Oh WOW, I've watched the Browns since the days of Jim Brown- in person- so I out rank you. If you think being in the military somehow relates to pro football,sorry- it doesn't.
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The problem is- that won't buy you a cup of coffee assuming you're right about Rosen and Allen- and it's far too damn early to make a determination. Classic BS on the poly board- when beaten, change the subject- Kyler and Lamar have ZERO to do with your initial premise.
FWIW, you positing character, determination, and desire as a criteria as a primary predictor of success is about on the level of hooey BS as Ghoolie's offensive linemen are a dime a dozen.
Just give it a rest- I can give you a laundry list- starting in 2002 on how "right" I was predicting HOFers- and under performing busts. Want me to? So pack your duck call away and start calling ducks with it. OK?
The intitial hostility was during the draft. I simply commented on looking back. History is important.
How about you and your two haters STFU and let other people have opinions too? we don't need your stinking permission.
Okay. Now I'm done, and yes, you all stunk up the thread and killed it, and now you complain about the stink.
Have a nice day.
The initial hostility was during the draft. I simply commented on looking back. History is important.
How about you and your two haters STFU and let other people have opinions too? we don't need your stinking permission.
Okay. Now I'm done, and yes, you all stunk up the thread and killed it, and now you complain about the stink.
Have a nice day.
Cal, you stunk it up holding on to an untenable position.
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The initial hostility was during the draft. I simply commented on looking back. History is important.
How about you and your two haters STFU and let other people have opinions too? we don't need your stinking permission.
Okay. Now I'm done, and yes, you all stunk up the thread and killed it, and now you complain about the stink.
Have a nice day.
Cal, you stunk it up holding on to an untenable position.
Cal, you stunk it up holding on to an untenable position.
Hey now, my dumb opinions are no cause for stink. Just ignore em. Certain folks can't let others have
opinions around here. Tiam and Tour didn't have to open the thread at all. and the rest of us don't need no stinking permission from them.
Have a nice day.
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Brilliantly sums up those who use the word "haters". Especially cringe worthy when it's anyone over the age of 16...
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The biggest thing people need to see (or realize) in both Jackson's and Allen's cases is how important organization, coaching, and scheming are to the success of a football team.
People quickly are forgetting Harbaugh was a bit "on the bubble" (which I thought was absurd) last year. The way the Ravens drafted these last two years specifically was built to play into Jackson's obvious God given ability to play the game. Unfortunately, we're seeing in many ways the exact opposite here in Cleveland lately. The reason we have 5 wins is strictly due to talent, but we're never going to "get over the hump" until we move into this mode of thinking,
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The biggest thing people need to see (or realize) in both Jackson's and Allen's cases is how important organization, coaching, and scheming are to the success of a football team.
People quickly are forgetting Harbaugh was a bit "on the bubble" (which I thought was absurd) last year. The way the Ravens drafted these last two years specifically was built to play into Jackson's obvious God given ability to play the game. Unfortunately, we're seeing in many ways the exact opposite here in Cleveland lately. The reason we have 5 wins is strictly due to talent, but we're never going to "get over the hump" until we move into this mode of thinking,
The biggest thing people need to see (or realize) in both Jackson's and Allen's cases is how important organization, coaching, and scheming are to the success of a football team.
People quickly are forgetting Harbaugh was a bit "on the bubble" (which I thought was absurd) last year. The way the Ravens drafted these last two years specifically was built to play into Jackson's obvious God given ability to play the game. Unfortunately, we're seeing in many ways the exact opposite here in Cleveland lately. The reason we have 5 wins is strictly due to talent, but we're never going to "get over the hump" until we move into this mode of thinking,
This is also true. I hate to see Kitchens blamed for not winning, though - why is it the head coach is always to blame? The responsibility is on his shoulders, "buck falls here" ...but I wonder if we just need a different person calling the plays, maybe a different db coach.
And one look at the depth chart recently - the depth is playing in too many areas. Our offensive line - when I heard that Chubb is on pace for 1600 yards? I was flat out amazed. I would have loved for the defense to have stayed healthy, and they are still a very good defense.
Anyways, we've all seen years where the Browns played like they knew it was hopeless, and just seemed to have quit.
These Browns kick ass and leave it all out on the field. These Browns love Freddie Kitchens. Firing ANOTHER HC is just not doing anything to fix the Browns' weaknesses. Dorsey needs to be more careful about the chances he takes on players.
FOR INSTANCE - it's true, btw - Josh Rosen hasn't had a good team to play on....but...
LT ronnie stanley - 1st round, pick 6 (balt) 2016
OG bradley boseman - 6th round (Balt)2018
Patrick Mekari - UDFA rookie (BALT)2019
Marshal Yanda - 3rd round (Balt) 2007
Orlando Brown, Jr - 3rd round (Balt) 2018This is the ratbirds' offensive line. They pay attention to it.
I mean - JOE FLACCO ? They could put different qb's back there and the qb could play.
Lamar Jackson is just a spectacular athlete. The problem is, drafting and making mistakes. That isn't Freddie Kitchens' fault.
The Browns are very, very close. Agonizing, yes. But very, very close. Just not...there...yet. dammit.
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.. but according to you less about leadership.
You continue to pretend that thru observation you can evaluate the intangibles, leadership, heart, etc., when you have never shown the ability to evaluate the tangibles that are there for all to see. Then you simply embrace any media that supports your take and reject any other.
It's the same in every section of this Forum. It's just less dangerous in this section.
which means absolutely nothing and isn't true. I've been watching the Browns since the early days. Leroy Kelly, etc. Wasn't a Jim Brown fan. attitude. I'm not pretending anything. I knew outstanding leaders in the military, and alpha male pretenders who can't be disagreed with because it deflates their core. Then, they go into a thread and make it belligerent and personal. I don't post very much...but I'm not going to kiss your pinko ring because you played football and I didn't.
Brag on how you played football - I don't care. Plenty of guys who played football were stupid in life, and screwed up their lives.
I simply post from different references, to respond to your bitching that I didn't play football. Phil Robertson had the freaking talent. Bradshaw knows far more than you, and he says Robertson had all the talent in the world,
Ignore it all you want - to protect your ego, but you are extremely pissed, sorry bout that, but Phil Robertson's heart wasn't in it. And he decided he didn't want to play for money. There are guys who did decide to play for money, and some languish around the NFL, some ruin their careers with off the field garbage, etc.
That is a lack of character on the latter.
which means absolutely nothing and isn't true. I've been watching the Browns since the early days. Leroy Kelly, etc. Wasn't a Jim Brown fan. attitude. I'm not pretending anything. I knew outstanding leaders in the military, and alpha male pretenders who can't be disagreed with because it deflates their core. Then, they go into a thread and make it belligerent and personal. I don't post very much...but I'm not going to kiss your pinko ring because you played football and I didn't.
Brag on how you played football - I don't care. Plenty of guys who played football were stupid in life, and screwed up their lives.
I simply post from different references, to respond to your bitching that I didn't play football. Phil Robertson had the freaking talent. Bradshaw knows far more than you, and he says Robertson had all the talent in the world,
Ignore it all you want - to protect your ego, but you are extremely pissed, sorry bout that, but Phil Robertson's heart wasn't in it. And he decided he didn't want to play for money. There are guys who did decide to play for money, and some languish around the NFL, some ruin their careers with off the field garbage, etc.
That is a lack of character on the latter.
I have never commented on your having played or not played football, because I never knew whether you did or not.
Seeing leadership up close, in real life is a far different from divining it thru a TV set. The latter is what you pretend you can do.
Everything else in your post is pure projection on your part since I'm not pissed and my ego is certainly not threatened by you.
Pinko ring? Weird comment coming from Kremlin Kal.
Who the fuck is Phil Robertson?
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Nope - I was the one who posted that. I didn't hate Rosen, I just had no respect for his attitude. Meanwhile, admits what I and others said about him. Good for him, personally and for his NFL career. I'm going by facts about Corbett, and drawing my own conclusions.
I don't need your alpha-whine boys band's permission, and neither does anyone else on this board who didn't play football but have watched the Browns since the Leroy Kelly days.
My work in this here thread is done. Wait...
"
Bills’ Josh Allen and Ravens’ Lamar Jackson will make NFL history for this stat Sunday
Updated Dec 03, 2019;Posted Dec 03, 2019"
"Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen and Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson are the two most successful signal callers from the 2018 draft class despite being the third and fifth quarterbacks selected."
" Their teams are a combined 19-5 on the season and both players are likely headed to the playoffs. "
"
On the other side, Allen hasn’t been as dependent on running the ball this season but it’s largely been due to him becoming a more effective passer. He’s rushed for 430 yards on about the same number of carries he had in his 12 games as a rookie, but he’s averaging almost two and a half yards per carry less. What hasn’t changed is Allen’s ability to score when running it. He has eight rushing touchdowns on the season and that’s the most by any quarterback in the league.
The Bills are coming off their most impressive game of the season in a 26-15 win in Dallas on Thanksgiving. The Bills sit at 9-3 and within a game of the New England Patriots in the AFC East."
Oh WOW, I've watched the Browns since the days of Jim Brown- in person- so I out rank you. If you think being in the military somehow relates to pro football,sorry- it doesn't.
Wow.... the page turned after I made the above reply and there were three more fevered posts by the "non-pissed" Kal... lol
Oh WOW, I've watched the Browns since the days of Jim Brown- in person- so I out rank you.
Wow... me, too, h...
Tiam and Tour didn't have to open the thread at all...
Wouldn't have seemed right since you wrote it for us.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
which means absolutely nothing and isn't true. I've been watching the Browns since the early days. Leroy Kelly, etc. Wasn't a Jim Brown fan. attitude. I'm not pretending anything. I knew outstanding leaders in the military, and alpha male pretenders who can't be disagreed with because it deflates their core. Then, they go into a thread and make it belligerent and personal. I don't post very much...but I'm not going to kiss your pinko ring because you played football and I didn't.
Brag on how you played football - I don't care. Plenty of guys who played football were stupid in life, and screwed up their lives.
I simply post from different references, to respond to your bitching that I didn't play football. Phil Robertson had the freaking talent. Bradshaw knows far more than you, and he says Robertson had all the talent in the world,
Ignore it all you want - to protect your ego, but you are extremely pissed, sorry bout that, but Phil Robertson's heart wasn't in it. And he decided he didn't want to play for money. There are guys who did decide to play for money, and some languish around the NFL, some ruin their careers with off the field garbage, etc.
That is a lack of character on the latter.
I have never commented on your having played or not played football, because I never knew whether you did or not.
Seeing leadership up close, in real life is a far different from divining it thru a TV set. The latter is what you pretend you can do.
Everything else in your post is pure projection on your part since I'm not pissed and my ego is certainly not threatened by you.
Pinko ring? Weird comment coming from Kremlin Kal.
Who the fuck is Phil Robertson?
I have never commented on your having played or not played football, because I never knew whether you did or not.
Seeing leadership up close, in real life is a far different from divining it thru a TV set. The latter is what you pretend you can do.
Everything else in your post is pure projection on your part since I'm not pissed and my ego is certainly not threatened by you.
Pinko ring? Weird comment coming from Kremlin Kal.
Who the fuck is Phil Robertson?
But your little attack weasel Tiam did, and you back him up like you're his nanny. How do you think you don't see leadership in the military? Stop and think. You think the military is watching TV ? what the...
"Seeing leadership up close" because you played FOOTBALL ? You just did what I said you did. lol
If you ego isn't threatened, what the heck are you doing entering this thread and getting all antagonistic about my op? "pinko ring" is a retort towards "kremlin kal" whatever that means. and keep your politics off this forum, pulleaze.
I've already posted about Phil Robertson. He was the starting qb ahead of Terry Bradshaw in college. Bradshaw said it himself - he may never have won superbowls if Phil hadn't quit football to get back to the woods, hunting and fishing, which he loved.
Phil Robertson is the father of the rest of the Robertson family - the show was "Duck Dynasty".
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Attack weasel? ... Honestly, that's about as close to a Mongoose as I'm going to get from you - So I'll take that as a compliment.
To recap before captain manboobs carries on.... He's referencing a thread from the Poli board. Can't remember exactly how it started, which is about the norm for most of the shit spewed there.
Basically I was offered up an insult about "leadership" and locker room camaraderie on the football field. I politely reminded (sarcasm) you-know-who, that he has no idea what he's talking about. Both in the sense that he has no idea, but also that he himself has never set foot on a field or locker room.
Pretty sure I tossed in a 'fake tough guy' jab just to slap a bow on it.
In my defense, if he didn't say dumb and insulting shit, I wouldn't have had to call him out. So who's really at fault here?
how did we get here?
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