Freddie fired
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Yup... proving he's not only our team's #1 WR, but one of the more feared #1's in the league.
Fun fact... despite drawing coverage from opponents' best CB plus a Safety shading towards him, OBJ has over 800 receiving yards and the same YPR average (14.1) as Landry.
yeah, but you don't understand obj...he want to be the man...did you not see him screaming at one of our hc's at the end of the game....gee, i wonder what that was about....he ain't and guess what...dat ain't the first time i saw him yelping and bitching about something....so don't count on landry being this good in the near future, because obj will be looking for another team....
Yup... pretty much a wash. Some recent data says it even increases the odds of the kick being good.
yeah, but you don't understand obj...he want to be the man...did you not see him screaming at one of our hc's at the end of the game....gee, i wonder what that was about....he ain't and guess what...dat ain't the first time i saw him yelping and bitching about something....so don't count on landry being this good in the near future, because obj will be looking for another team....
Oh I get OBJ being the Alpha WR... it's part of the deal. And while I missed seeing him yelling Sunday, I'm only surprised in that it took this long.
OBJ can't "look". He's under contract thru 2023.
They shouldn't may be more accurate.
I got a bad feelin' 'bout this one...
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Yup... pretty much a wash. Some recent data says it even increases the odds of the kick being good.
yeah, but you don't understand obj...he want to be the man...did you not see him screaming at one of our hc's at the end of the game....gee, i wonder what that was about....he ain't and guess what...dat ain't the first time i saw him yelping and bitching about something....so don't count on landry being this good in the near future, because obj will be looking for another team....
Oh I get OBJ being the Alpha WR... it's part of the deal. And while I missed seeing him yelling Sunday, I'm only surprised in that it took this long.
OBJ can't "look". He's under contract thru 2023.
They shouldn't may be more accurate.
I got a bad feelin' 'bout this one...
I got a bad feelin' 'bout this one...
Well at least AJ Green was ruled out once again. He's been a wasted FFL pick for me since he was only supposed to miss the first two games. He has not played one game all season.
But the Red Rifleman is back in the saddle so anything can happen.
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Fresh off the presses of the steamy Plain Dealer ?... https://cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/can-we-have-a-disciplined-discussion-about-fixing-the-browns-before-jumping-right-to-fire-freddie.html
Remember Fred's largest endorser to Haslem/Dorsey for Fred getting job was?... Bill Parcell's...whom still has the label as team consultant...
1) I agree this offensive talent, may only need a OL upgrade ala Dallas/Colts Draft next season... but, With a complete offensive overhaul, starting with Monken getting out of Freddie's ears
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2) Is Fred's only hope? To turn over the offensive control keys? like a guy Hue know... 2 Bengals. a Zona & a Ravens game left on schedule could not come at a better time
Fresh off the presses of the steamy Plain Dealer ?... https://cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/can-we-have-a-disciplined-discussion-about-fixing-the-browns-before-jumping-right-to-fire-freddie.html
Remember Fred's largest endorser to Haslem/Dorsey for Fred getting job was?... Bill Parcell's...whom still has the label as team consultant...
Well, When it rains, it pours? So now let's go after John Dorsey... https://clutchpoints.com/john-dorsey-deserves-blame-for-browns-disappointing-season/
"But you can't simultaneously be rebuilding & making moves to win immediately" <<<(have you seen the way this team has drafted the past 5 years before JD?)
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Fresh off the presses of the steamy Plain Dealer ?... https://cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/can-we-have-a-disciplined-discussion-about-fixing-the-browns-before-jumping-right-to-fire-freddie.html
Remember Fred's largest endorser to Haslem/Dorsey for Fred getting job was?... Bill Parcell's...whom still has the label as team consultant...
Well, When it rains, it pours? So now let's go after John Dorsey... https://clutchpoints.com/john-dorsey-deserves-blame-for-browns-disappointing-season/
"But you can't simultaneously be rebuilding & making moves to win immediately" <<<(have you seen the way this team has drafted the past 5 years before JD?)
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John has done a very good job! Has he made some blunders? Yes, which is proof positive that he's a human being.
From the Flugs, A Christmas Story.. I count 1 Schobert & 1 Bitonio & a bare as$ butt Tree ?... Dorsey had to accelerate others, just to cover the others drafting blunders..
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Dorse can't be happy with this turn of events, and bet the ranch Haslam isn't either. I've always felt you need to give a coach at least a couple seasons- but not this time.
I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
Well said Dutch!
Sorry for the length here but I can't hold some of this stuff hostage. I don't know if I'm right or wrong; but I get the sense the main reason Dorsey wanted Freddie is because Dorsey wants to remain in total control of this team rather than getting the "yeah but" from a Head Coach with prior experience. For example, "Way to close the year strong Gregg! Now don't let the door hit you in the asss on the way out!" Some parting shots followed from our OL Coach that said QB Coach Zampese was the guy that did a lot of the work/new play designs Freddie got credit for. After watching the play calling and Baker's performance decline significantly for much of 2019 - that makes a lot of sense today. For a place that needs continuity and foundation - that sure got sledgehammered.
We have a very inexperienced/undisciplined CB in Greedy that starts over Terrence Mitchell because he earned it? Or, was he a 2nd round pick (our 1st pick) Dorsey felt like he stole that was going to start regardless of how much better a guy like Mitchell has been here when healthy? Greg Pruitt was asked on the radio what he felt was the problem with our secondary. He said from his standpoint, our Corners stood a much better chance of intercepting those passes/punts with hang-time downfield if they didn't have their backs to the ball. You can't intercept/bat what you can't see just like you can't tackle what you can't see if you're head is down. Greedy got dinged, in came Mitchell and he intercepted a pass in Pittsburgh territory.
What has me thinking this way is I remembered our DC/Interim HC (GW) last year saying "I might not be able to cut him; but I can make sure he does what we ask of him." I gotta think when he had his HC interview with Dorsey - he prolly said he wanted a say in the personnel. That had to go over like the following answer to the question where do you see yourself in 5 years? "Let's put it this way - you'll be fetching my coffee." I don't know if Gregg Williams would have been the answer here; but I think he would have handled promoting someone he groomed on his staff to take over the DC position and call the defenses. We've had multiple times this year where Freddie was more worried about calling his next play on offense at the expense of challenging a call that should be challenged. That got a little better recently.
All this said, if Dorsey was building a foundation and continuity - we shouldn't have almost as much turnover as the White House. When it starts getting that bad, maybe it's time to look at who's doing the hiring and what the criteria behind it is. Yeah, he got Baker right. That said, do we still see a confident QB that makes his line look better in pass pro? Baker has his 3rd OC (Haley, Freddie, Monken) in less than 2 full seasons. He's on his 2nd QB Coach and this year I saw Baker trying to throw the ball late from a backward hop while he's had a lot of his passes sail high and/or out of bounds on guys that are open. Mechanics? Film eval? Correct this stuff already. And what's going on with Higgins this year? This guy had great chem with Baker last year when we looked to him in key situations at times.
Last but not least, I sense something big we don't know about is going on behind the scenes that we'll hear about within the next month The same old story with veterans not wanting to be here any more to the extent they aren't going to risk injury especially in Cleveland from here on out is unfolding. This year we've had more mysterious injuries coming up during the week of practice sidelining guys on game day than I can recall. Maybe I'm just noticing it more as higher expectations got punted into Lake Erie. We've had guys disciplined, benched and inactive. I've had a bad vibe about Randall all season long and then he misses practice last week. Yes, he's a talented individual. But individuals don't win games especially when they place "I before team" and take such a blatant cheap shot that they are thrown out of the game. It doesn't end there, the week of the rematch vrs that thinks he's dirty - conveniently does something during the week that he knows will have consequences (like missing a game missing an important piece of preparation without an excuse/heads up ahead). This is only hearsay but from a consistently good source to me in recent years. One of the weeks Randall missed a game in concussion protocol - he showed up to practice with bruises and scraps all over his face after a night out at the bars. Sound like a team guy based on what this team pays him? When GB took the very first trade offer for exchange value for their former 1st round pick - did anyone in our FO research why (especially former GB FO/Scouting employees like Highsmith and Wolf)? In 2018, Randall played through injury and he was willing to play corner when injuries had us needing him to do so. During the offseason, he endorsed Dorsey as a genius. That said, 2019 is his contract year (so there's an agent attached at the ear lobe); and it sure looks like he wants to get out of here without getting hurt on the gridiron. Rumor has it he took all the Cleveland Browns logos/pictures/colors off his Twitter/online dwelling; which is what many malcontent players do in the NFL today. Now that he's going to play again this week - do we get a motivated guy or a sandbagger?
What happens when a lot of Dorsey's solutions don't work? We have the foundation and continuity of another Poseiden Adventure on Lake Erie. Is Freddie just a symptom of a bigger problem?
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I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
Well said Dutch!
Sorry for the length here but I can't hold some of this stuff hostage. I don't know if I'm right or wrong; but I get the sense the main reason Dorsey wanted Freddie is because Dorsey wants to remain in total control of this team rather than getting the "yeah but" from a Head Coach with prior experience. For example, "Way to close the year strong Gregg! Now don't let the door hit you in the asss on the way out!" Some parting shots followed from our OL Coach that said QB Coach Zampese was the guy that did a lot of the work/new play designs Freddie got credit for. After watching the play calling and Baker's performance decline significantly for much of 2019 - that makes a lot of sense today. For a place that needs continuity and foundation - that sure got sledgehammered.
We have a very inexperienced/undisciplined CB in Greedy that starts over Terrence Mitchell because he earned it? Or, was he a 2nd round pick (our 1st pick) Dorsey felt like he stole that was going to start regardless of how much better a guy like Mitchell has been here when healthy? Greg Pruitt was asked on the radio what he felt was the problem with our secondary. He said from his standpoint, our Corners stood a much better chance of intercepting those passes/punts with hang-time downfield if they didn't have their backs to the ball. You can't intercept/bat what you can't see just like you can't tackle what you can't see if you're head is down. Greedy got dinged, in came Mitchell and he intercepted a pass in Pittsburgh territory.
What has me thinking this way is I remembered our DC/Interim HC (GW) last year saying "I might not be able to cut him; but I can make sure he does what we ask of him." I gotta think when he had his HC interview with Dorsey - he prolly said he wanted a say in the personnel. That had to go over like the following answer to the question where do you see yourself in 5 years? "Let's put it this way - you'll be fetching my coffee." I don't know if Gregg Williams would have been the answer here; but I think he would have handled promoting someone he groomed on his staff to take over the DC position and call the defenses. We've had multiple times this year where Freddie was more worried about calling his next play on offense at the expense of challenging a call that should be challenged. That got a little better recently.
All this said, if Dorsey was building a foundation and continuity - we shouldn't have almost as much turnover as the White House. When it starts getting that bad, maybe it's time to look at who's doing the hiring and what the criteria behind it is. Yeah, he got Baker right. That said, do we still see a confident QB that makes his line look better in pass pro? Baker has his 3rd OC (Haley, Freddie, Monken) in less than 2 full seasons. He's on his 2nd QB Coach and this year I saw Baker trying to throw the ball late from a backward hop while he's had a lot of his passes sail high and/or out of bounds on guys that are open. Mechanics? Film eval? Correct this stuff already. And what's going on with Higgins this year? This guy had great chem with Baker last year when we looked to him in key situations at times.
Last but not least, I sense something big we don't know about is going on behind the scenes that we'll hear about within the next month The same old story with veterans not wanting to be here any more to the extent they aren't going to risk injury especially in Cleveland from here on out is unfolding. This year we've had more mysterious injuries coming up during the week of practice sidelining guys on game day than I can recall. Maybe I'm just noticing it more as higher expectations got punted into Lake Erie. We've had guys disciplined, benched and inactive. I've had a bad vibe about Randall all season long and then he misses practice last week. Yes, he's a talented individual. But individuals don't win games especially when they place "I before team" and take such a blatant cheap shot that they are thrown out of the game. It doesn't end there, the week of the rematch vrs that thinks he's dirty - conveniently does something during the week that he knows will have consequences (like missing a game missing an important piece of preparation without an excuse/heads up ahead). This is only hearsay but from a consistently good source to me in recent years. One of the weeks Randall missed a game in concussion protocol - he showed up to practice with bruises and scraps all over his face after a night out at the bars. Sound like a team guy based on what this team pays him? When GB took the very first trade offer for exchange value for their former 1st round pick - did anyone in our FO research why (especially former GB FO/Scouting employees like Highsmith and Wolf)? In 2018, Randall played through injury and he was willing to play corner when injuries had us needing him to do so. During the offseason, he endorsed Dorsey as a genius. That said, 2019 is his contract year (so there's an agent attached at the ear lobe); and it sure looks like he wants to get out of here without getting hurt on the gridiron. Rumor has it he took all the Cleveland Browns logos/pictures/colors off his Twitter/online dwelling; which is what many malcontent players do in the NFL today. Now that he's going to play again this week - do we get a motivated guy or a sandbagger?
What happens when a lot of Dorsey's solutions don't work? We have the foundation and continuity of another Poseiden Adventure on Lake Erie. Is Freddie just a symptom of a bigger problem?
Well said Dutch!
Sorry for the length here but I can't hold some of this stuff hostage. I don't know if I'm right or wrong; but I get the sense the main reason Dorsey wanted Freddie is because Dorsey wants to remain in total control of this team rather than getting the "yeah but" from a Head Coach with prior experience. For example, "Way to close the year strong Gregg! Now don't let the door hit you in the asss on the way out!" Some parting shots followed from our OL Coach that said QB Coach Zampese was the guy that did a lot of the work/new play designs Freddie got credit for. After watching the play calling and Baker's performance decline significantly for much of 2019 - that makes a lot of sense today. For a place that needs continuity and foundation - that sure got sledgehammered.
.....What happens when a lot of Dorsey's solutions don't work? We have the foundation and continuity of another Poseiden Adventure on Lake Erie. Is Freddie just a symptom of a bigger problem?
Interesting analogy the Poseiden on Lake Erie and Cleveland sports in particular the 21st century Cleveland Browns.
And yet the Cleveland Indians have found relative stability and playoff success in the same period and earlier with ownership, management and the team operations in a smaller market team.
It's like the BROWNS just can't get any of the elements right in doing this thing right. Even the Cavaliers had their moment in the sun but that was largely LeBron.
SO why can't one do it at all and the other have an ongoing playoff attitude? (Terry Franconia is a big piece of that ongoing puzzle.)
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Well at least AJ Green was ruled out once again. He's been a wasted FFL pick for me since he was only supposed to miss the first two games. He has not played one game all season.
But the Red Rifleman is back in the saddle so anything can happen.
Oh, BTW, John Ross is finally healthy again, and will play Sunday. Weather forecast is favorable- 50 degrees, no rain the next couple of days. Get your track shoes on Denzel.
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Well at least AJ Green was ruled out once again. He's been a wasted FFL pick for me since he was only supposed to miss the first two games. He has not played one game all season.
But the Red Rifleman is back in the saddle so anything can happen.
I had Green in two leagues... finally cut him loose a couple weeks ago.
Ross is due back so their deep threat is back, but what really worries me is that Dalton will be playing fast and loose.... he has nothing to lose. And if they het a lead they have DEs who can male life miserable for Baker.
"But you can't simultaneously be rebuilding & making moves to win immediately" <<<(have you seen the way this team has drafted the past 5 years before JD?)
The quoted comment has nothing to do with identifying talent in the draft... it has to do with simultaneously taking two paths that are not compatible.
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I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
Well said Dutch!
Sorry for the length here but I can't hold some of this stuff hostage. I don't know if I'm right or wrong; but I get the sense the main reason Dorsey wanted Freddie is because Dorsey wants to remain in total control of this team rather than getting the "yeah but" from a Head Coach with prior experience. For example, "Way to close the year strong Gregg! Now don't let the door hit you in the asss on the way out!" Some parting shots followed from our OL Coach that said QB Coach Zampese was the guy that did a lot of the work/new play designs Freddie got credit for. After watching the play calling and Baker's performance decline significantly for much of 2019 - that makes a lot of sense today. For a place that needs continuity and foundation - that sure got sledgehammered.
We have a very inexperienced/undisciplined CB in Greedy that starts over Terrence Mitchell because he earned it? Or, was he a 2nd round pick (our 1st pick) Dorsey felt like he stole that was going to start regardless of how much better a guy like Mitchell has been here when healthy? Greg Pruitt was asked on the radio what he felt was the problem with our secondary. He said from his standpoint, our Corners stood a much better chance of intercepting those passes/punts with hang-time downfield if they didn't have their backs to the ball. You can't intercept/bat what you can't see just like you can't tackle what you can't see if you're head is down. Greedy got dinged, in came Mitchell and he intercepted a pass in Pittsburgh territory.
What has me thinking this way is I remembered our DC/Interim HC (GW) last year saying "I might not be able to cut him; but I can make sure he does what we ask of him." I gotta think when he had his HC interview with Dorsey - he prolly said he wanted a say in the personnel. That had to go over like the following answer to the question where do you see yourself in 5 years? "Let's put it this way - you'll be fetching my coffee." I don't know if Gregg Williams would have been the answer here; but I think he would have handled promoting someone he groomed on his staff to take over the DC position and call the defenses. We've had multiple times this year where Freddie was more worried about calling his next play on offense at the expense of challenging a call that should be challenged. That got a little better recently.
All this said, if Dorsey was building a foundation and continuity - we shouldn't have almost as much turnover as the White House. When it starts getting that bad, maybe it's time to look at who's doing the hiring and what the criteria behind it is. Yeah, he got Baker right. That said, do we still see a confident QB that makes his line look better in pass pro? Baker has his 3rd OC (Haley, Freddie, Monken) in less than 2 full seasons. He's on his 2nd QB Coach and this year I saw Baker trying to throw the ball late from a backward hop while he's had a lot of his passes sail high and/or out of bounds on guys that are open. Mechanics? Film eval? Correct this stuff already. And what's going on with Higgins this year? This guy had great chem with Baker last year when we looked to him in key situations at times.
Last but not least, I sense something big we don't know about is going on behind the scenes that we'll hear about within the next month The same old story with veterans not wanting to be here any more to the extent they aren't going to risk injury especially in Cleveland from here on out is unfolding. This year we've had more mysterious injuries coming up during the week of practice sidelining guys on game day than I can recall. Maybe I'm just noticing it more as higher expectations got punted into Lake Erie. We've had guys disciplined, benched and inactive. I've had a bad vibe about Randall all season long and then he misses practice last week. Yes, he's a talented individual. But individuals don't win games especially when they place "I before team" and take such a blatant cheap shot that they are thrown out of the game. It doesn't end there, the week of the rematch vrs that thinks he's dirty - conveniently does something during the week that he knows will have consequences (like missing a game missing an important piece of preparation without an excuse/heads up ahead). This is only hearsay but from a consistently good source to me in recent years. One of the weeks Randall missed a game in concussion protocol - he showed up to practice with bruises and scraps all over his face after a night out at the bars. Sound like a team guy based on what this team pays him? When GB took the very first trade offer for exchange value for their former 1st round pick - did anyone in our FO research why (especially former GB FO/Scouting employees like Highsmith and Wolf)? In 2018, Randall played through injury and he was willing to play corner when injuries had us needing him to do so. During the offseason, he endorsed Dorsey as a genius. That said, 2019 is his contract year (so there's an agent attached at the ear lobe); and it sure looks like he wants to get out of here without getting hurt on the gridiron. Rumor has it he took all the Cleveland Browns logos/pictures/colors off his Twitter/online dwelling; which is what many malcontent players do in the NFL today. Now that he's going to play again this week - do we get a motivated guy or a sandbagger?
What happens when a lot of Dorsey's solutions don't work? We have the foundation and continuity of another Poseiden Adventure on Lake Erie. Is Freddie just a symptom of a bigger problem?
- I don't know if I'm right or wrong; but I get the sense the main reason Dorsey wanted Freddie is because Dorsey wants to remain in total control of this team rather than getting the "yeah but" from a Head Coach with prior experience.
- Greedy got dinged, in came Mitchell and he intercepted a pass in Pittsburgh territory.
- I don't know if Gregg Williams would have been the answer here; but I think he would have handled promoting someone he groomed on his staff to take over the DC position and call the defenses.
- That said, do we still see a confident QB that makes his line look better in pass pro?
Good stuff, Flugs.... even I read the whole thing...
... just whittled it down for comment...
- I remember having the same reaction at the time. Dorsey and Reed didn't pair too well in KC and Dorsey had just worked hard to outmaneuver Hue, so from his perspective Freddie had to seem like a dream date compared to Williams.
- As I've written a couple times we were in love with our CBs playing trail tech in the PTG rematch... and I'm not sure why. I sure don't remember it being employed much in our first meeting. Further I don't remember either Ward or Greedy being particularly successful playing it this season... although with Greedy's length I could see it suiting him. But as you point out in comes Mitchell playing on top and he gets a gift.
- Even if Gregg keep the playcalling responsibilities on Sunday as he did during his interim stint, is experience should have helped him manage the dual role better than a rookie essentially making the jump from being a position coach.
- As the article that critiqued Dorsey stated...
The team felt confident in trading Zeitler because of second-year player Austin Corbett, the 33rd overall pick in 2018.
Mayfield no longer has the confidence to step up into the pocket to make strong throws when pressured, something he did a lot of in 2018. This leads to him fading back in the pocket and scrambling around, which makes his tackles, who are already bad, even worse. Greg Robinson is playing the best football of his career, but that’s not exactly saying much. Chris Hubbard, who was signed to a big contract prior to 2018
Good God... I forgot how much we spent on Hubbard.
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Well at least AJ Green was ruled out once again. He's been a wasted FFL pick for me since he was only supposed to miss the first two games. He has not played one game all season.
But the Red Rifleman is back in the saddle so anything can happen.
I had Green in two leagues... finally cut him loose a couple weeks ago.
Ross is due back so their deep threat is back, but what really worries me is that Dalton will be playing fast and loose.... he has nothing to lose. And if they het a lead they have DEs who can male life miserable for Baker.
"But you can't simultaneously be rebuilding & making moves to win immediately" <<<(have you seen the way this team has drafted the past 5 years before JD?)
The quoted comment has nothing to do with identifying talent in the draft... it has to do with simultaneously taking two paths that are not compatible.
I had Green in two leagues... finally cut him loose a couple weeks ago.
Unfortunately I'm in one that has drops and redraft from available FAs only after weeks 5 and 10. He seemed on the verge of returning so many times I kept him because I was leading the overall league anyway. I took Hunt after week 5 knowing he had 3 more weeks suspension. Now he is finally starting to pay off even though Freddie still just does not quite get that Hunt should be getting the ball all the time inside the 10. That's what he did in KC and when we do it here, he seems to find a way to score like no one else on the team.
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One thing that really stood out to me against Pittsburgh yesterday... Freddy has got to get the plays in FASTER! We've got to get out of the huddle and to the line faster. We've got to line up faster, get the defense set in position and allow Baker time to identify and make adjustments. This has to be faster. There were times when the play clock was about to hit zero and the defense was literally running at the line to hit it right on the snap because they knew that we HAD to snap. We've got to be better.
One thing that really stood out to me against Pittsburgh yesterday... Freddy has got to get the plays in FASTER! We've got to get out of the huddle and to the line faster. We've got to line up faster, get the defense set in position and allow Baker time to identify and make adjustments. This has to be faster. There were times when the play clock was about to hit zero and the defense was literally running at the line to hit it right on the snap because they knew that we HAD to snap. We've got to be better.
The fact that you're pointing out a problem in week 13 that's been obvious since week 1 as all you need to know about Freddie's progress this season. The Offense is terrible, the one thing that won him the job. In hindsight Wiley was right about the fact that last year's offensive success wasn't due to Freddie. I'm all for firing him this season.
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Yep dude needs to go ASAP. I hope they lose out if it means it gets rid of fred
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We have such terrible coaching on both sides of the ball. Wilkes is terrible Freddie is terrible I guess Monk and is terrible too if he has anything to do with
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Where’s Mike Didka
fuck....i'd take nick skorich if he is still alive.....that's how fucking bad kitchens is......he lost the game yesterday with his wonderful clock mgmt again.....pos coach......oh well....typical for this franchise....
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Sam? Marty? Both with us.
i guess that means nick is no longer with us.....sorry to hear that if it is true....marty with one of the top qb's in the league today....ala mahomes...jackson...watson...wentz...no more bernie types even though i liked bernie...he just did not cut it with his mobility...don't want that anymore...sam...nope...too much of a gambler...he blew the playoff game against the raiders in 80....i liked him though....at least he made the game exciting..
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I'm so conflicted on this.
I've not been a fan of what I've seen of this team, on and off the field, but I've often complained about the Browns continually changing head coaches. I don't want to fire Kitchens, but I also don't want him to continue to Retard this team's progress. I really don't see how this team has improved from this time last season, but I hate the idea of starting over again... but I hate the idea of having Kitchens still running this team next year... ugh.
Well said Dutch!
Sorry for the length here but I can't hold some of this stuff hostage. I don't know if I'm right or wrong; but I get the sense the main reason Dorsey wanted Freddie is because Dorsey wants to remain in total control of this team rather than getting the "yeah but" from a Head Coach with prior experience. For example, "Way to close the year strong Gregg! Now don't let the door hit you in the asss on the way out!" Some parting shots followed from our OL Coach that said QB Coach Zampese was the guy that did a lot of the work/new play designs Freddie got credit for. After watching the play calling and Baker's performance decline significantly for much of 2019 - that makes a lot of sense today. For a place that needs continuity and foundation - that sure got sledgehammered.
We have a very inexperienced/undisciplined CB in Greedy that starts over Terrence Mitchell because he earned it? Or, was he a 2nd round pick (our 1st pick) Dorsey felt like he stole that was going to start regardless of how much better a guy like Mitchell has been here when healthy? Greg Pruitt was asked on the radio what he felt was the problem with our secondary. He said from his standpoint, our Corners stood a much better chance of intercepting those passes/punts with hang-time downfield if they didn't have their backs to the ball. You can't intercept/bat what you can't see just like you can't tackle what you can't see if you're head is down. Greedy got dinged, in came Mitchell and he intercepted a pass in Pittsburgh territory.
What has me thinking this way is I remembered our DC/Interim HC (GW) last year saying "I might not be able to cut him; but I can make sure he does what we ask of him." I gotta think when he had his HC interview with Dorsey - he prolly said he wanted a say in the personnel. That had to go over like the following answer to the question where do you see yourself in 5 years? "Let's put it this way - you'll be fetching my coffee." I don't know if Gregg Williams would have been the answer here; but I think he would have handled promoting someone he groomed on his staff to take over the DC position and call the defenses. We've had multiple times this year where Freddie was more worried about calling his next play on offense at the expense of challenging a call that should be challenged. That got a little better recently.
All this said, if Dorsey was building a foundation and continuity - we shouldn't have almost as much turnover as the White House. When it starts getting that bad, maybe it's time to look at who's doing the hiring and what the criteria behind it is. Yeah, he got Baker right. That said, do we still see a confident QB that makes his line look better in pass pro? Baker has his 3rd OC (Haley, Freddie, Monken) in less than 2 full seasons. He's on his 2nd QB Coach and this year I saw Baker trying to throw the ball late from a backward hop while he's had a lot of his passes sail high and/or out of bounds on guys that are open. Mechanics? Film eval? Correct this stuff already. And what's going on with Higgins this year? This guy had great chem with Baker last year when we looked to him in key situations at times.
Last but not least, I sense something big we don't know about is going on behind the scenes that we'll hear about within the next month The same old story with veterans not wanting to be here any more to the extent they aren't going to risk injury especially in Cleveland from here on out is unfolding. This year we've had more mysterious injuries coming up during the week of practice sidelining guys on game day than I can recall. Maybe I'm just noticing it more as higher expectations got punted into Lake Erie. We've had guys disciplined, benched and inactive. I've had a bad vibe about Randall all season long and then he misses practice last week. Yes, he's a talented individual. But individuals don't win games especially when they place "I before team" and take such a blatant cheap shot that they are thrown out of the game. It doesn't end there, the week of the rematch vrs that thinks he's dirty - conveniently does something during the week that he knows will have consequences (like missing a game missing an important piece of preparation without an excuse/heads up ahead). This is only hearsay but from a consistently good source to me in recent years. One of the weeks Randall missed a game in concussion protocol - he showed up to practice with bruises and scraps all over his face after a night out at the bars. Sound like a team guy based on what this team pays him? When GB took the very first trade offer for exchange value for their former 1st round pick - did anyone in our FO research why (especially former GB FO/Scouting employees like Highsmith and Wolf)? In 2018, Randall played through injury and he was willing to play corner when injuries had us needing him to do so. During the offseason, he endorsed Dorsey as a genius. That said, 2019 is his contract year (so there's an agent attached at the ear lobe); and it sure looks like he wants to get out of here without getting hurt on the gridiron. Rumor has it he took all the Cleveland Browns logos/pictures/colors off his Twitter/online dwelling; which is what many malcontent players do in the NFL today. Now that he's going to play again this week - do we get a motivated guy or a sandbagger?
What happens when a lot of Dorsey's solutions don't work? We have the foundation and continuity of another Poseiden Adventure on Lake Erie. Is Freddie just a symptom of a bigger problem?
Well said Dutch!
Sorry for the length here but I can't hold some of this stuff hostage. I don't know if I'm right or wrong; but I get the sense the main reason Dorsey wanted Freddie is because Dorsey wants to remain in total control of this team rather than getting the "yeah but" from a Head Coach with prior experience. For example, "Way to close the year strong Gregg! Now don't let the door hit you in the asss on the way out!" Some parting shots followed from our OL Coach that said QB Coach Zampese was the guy that did a lot of the work/new play designs Freddie got credit for. After watching the play calling and Baker's performance decline significantly for much of 2019 - that makes a lot of sense today. For a place that needs continuity and foundation - that sure got sledgehammered.
We have a very inexperienced/undisciplined CB in Greedy that starts over Terrence Mitchell because he earned it? Or, was he a 2nd round pick (our 1st pick) Dorsey felt like he stole that was going to start regardless of how much better a guy like Mitchell has been here when healthy? Greg Pruitt was asked on the radio what he felt was the problem with our secondary. He said from his standpoint, our Corners stood a much better chance of intercepting those passes/punts with hang-time downfield if they didn't have their backs to the ball. You can't intercept/bat what you can't see just like you can't tackle what you can't see if you're head is down. Greedy got dinged, in came Mitchell and he intercepted a pass in Pittsburgh territory.
What has me thinking this way is I remembered our DC/Interim HC (GW) last year saying "I might not be able to cut him; but I can make sure he does what we ask of him." I gotta think when he had his HC interview with Dorsey - he prolly said he wanted a say in the personnel. That had to go over like the following answer to the question where do you see yourself in 5 years? "Let's put it this way - you'll be fetching my coffee." I don't know if Gregg Williams would have been the answer here; but I think he would have handled promoting someone he groomed on his staff to take over the DC position and call the defenses. We've had multiple times this year where Freddie was more worried about calling his next play on offense at the expense of challenging a call that should be challenged. That got a little better recently.
All this said, if Dorsey was building a foundation and continuity - we shouldn't have almost as much turnover as the White House. When it starts getting that bad, maybe it's time to look at who's doing the hiring and what the criteria behind it is. Yeah, he got Baker right. That said, do we still see a confident QB that makes his line look better in pass pro? Baker has his 3rd OC (Haley, Freddie, Monken) in less than 2 full seasons. He's on his 2nd QB Coach and this year I saw Baker trying to throw the ball late from a backward hop while he's had a lot of his passes sail high and/or out of bounds on guys that are open. Mechanics? Film eval? Correct this stuff already. And what's going on with Higgins this year? This guy had great chem with Baker last year when we looked to him in key situations at times.
Last but not least, I sense something big we don't know about is going on behind the scenes that we'll hear about within the next month The same old story with veterans not wanting to be here any more to the extent they aren't going to risk injury especially in Cleveland from here on out is unfolding. This year we've had more mysterious injuries coming up during the week of practice sidelining guys on game day than I can recall. Maybe I'm just noticing it more as higher expectations got punted into Lake Erie. We've had guys disciplined, benched and inactive. I've had a bad vibe about Randall all season long and then he misses practice last week. Yes, he's a talented individual. But individuals don't win games especially when they place "I before team" and take such a blatant cheap shot that they are thrown out of the game. It doesn't end there, the week of the rematch vrs that thinks he's dirty - conveniently does something during the week that he knows will have consequences (like missing a game missing an important piece of preparation without an excuse/heads up ahead). This is only hearsay but from a consistently good source to me in recent years. One of the weeks Randall missed a game in concussion protocol - he showed up to practice with bruises and scraps all over his face after a night out at the bars. Sound like a team guy based on what this team pays him? When GB took the very first trade offer for exchange value for their former 1st round pick - did anyone in our FO research why (especially former GB FO/Scouting employees like Highsmith and Wolf)? In 2018, Randall played through injury and he was willing to play corner when injuries had us needing him to do so. During the offseason, he endorsed Dorsey as a genius. That said, 2019 is his contract year (so there's an agent attached at the ear lobe); and it sure looks like he wants to get out of here without getting hurt on the gridiron. Rumor has it he took all the Cleveland Browns logos/pictures/colors off his Twitter/online dwelling; which is what many malcontent players do in the NFL today. Now that he's going to play again this week - do we get a motivated guy or a sandbagger?
What happens when a lot of Dorsey's solutions don't work? We have the foundation and continuity of another Poseiden Adventure on Lake Erie. Is Freddie just a symptom of a bigger problem?
greedy williams....overrated.....ward....overrated....would have taken peppers over both those guys at this point...
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