Pay Hunt. Period.
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why ? unless we get a coach that knows wtf he is doing he will just be another wasted talent ala OBJ
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Pay him for 2020 and then let him go. You're not going to pay Chubb and Hunt top dollar.
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Hope for 3.5M/year..But McCaffrey, Bernard & Dion Lewis fall between 4-5M/year..
Interesting Duke(pick 77) & Hunt (86) both went in 3rd & both deals would get done for both at age 25..
am thinking Hunt waits for Melvin Gordan to set the market..Maybe not Dorsey's plan though
Besides Hunt only Lewis is not on his rookie deal, so I'm not getting why you cited other salaries, gum...
Bernard, Lewis and Duke are strictly 3rd down back whereas Hunt's rushing title showed he can be more. Makes him a tweener.... very difficult to value.... very difficult to afford... at least beyond 2020.
In 2020 Hunt's a RFA so if we throw $3.278mm his way, then we'd get a 2020, 2nd-round pick in return, if he's signed away.
Someone might do it for a 2nd... , but his suspension history could be off-putting.
Besides Hunt only Lewis is not on his rookie deal, so I'm not getting why you cited other salaries, gum...
Bernard, Lewis and Duke are strictly 3rd down back whereas Hunt's rushing title showed he can be more. Makes him a tweener.... very difficult to value.... very difficult to afford... at least beyond 2020.
In 2020 Hunt's a RFA so if we throw $3.278mm his way, then we'd get a 2020, 2nd-round pick in return, if he's signed away.
Someone might do it for a 2nd... , but his suspension history could be off-putting.
Tender the 2nd round offer and be done with it. You can still get a very good college back in round 2 if necessary that will be cheap for his rookie deal.
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Yup... and if Hunt signs a reasonable offer sheet... say in the $35-40mm range for five years, then we can consider matching.
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Yup... and if Hunt signs a reasonable offer sheet... say in the $35-40mm range for five years, then we can consider matching.
Yup... and if Hunt signs a reasonable offer sheet... say in the $35-40mm range for five years, then we can consider matching.
Exactly. I really like the guy but I don't think it's in our best interest to open the vault doors. Just for the record I hate the idea we are already discussing cap space before we've won anything.
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He is Duke only better.
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He is Duke only better.
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He is Duke only better.
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He's Duke with legs the size oak trees. I love seeing the joy from Hunt when he scores and jumps into the crowd.
Also, I love how Hunt gets to the outside when we're at the goal line. That looks REALLY difficult to defend because Hunt just jump-cuts laterally and then has more acceleration than anyone to the corner. He's absolutely vital to our offense, and I don't think we're going to have those issues where we're stalling out at the 3 yard line anymore.
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Yup... and if Hunt signs a reasonable offer sheet... say in the $35-40mm range for five years, then we can consider matching.
Exactly. I really like the guy but I don't think it's in our best interest to open the vault doors. Just for the record I hate the idea we are already discussing cap space before we've won anything.
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Exactly. I really like the guy but I don't think it's in our best interest to open the vault doors. Just for the record I hate the idea we are already discussing cap space before we've won anything.
You always have to keep one eye on the cap. Even when Sashi was clearing the decks, the FO's cap planning was reaching out many years.
And one of the cap truths is that a franchise can get in trouble quickly trying to pay one RB top dollar, let alone two of them. Zeke demos the former while the Saints demo the latter.
NO had to decide a couple seasons ago between Kamara and Ingram... they stayed with the cheap rookie... and that's despite Ingram ultimately being a bargain for BLT at $5mm/yr.
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Exactly. I really like the guy but I don't think it's in our best interest to open the vault doors. Just for the record I hate the idea we are already discussing cap space before we've won anything.
You always have to keep one eye on the cap. Even when Sashi was clearing the decks, the FO's cap planning was reaching out many years.
And one of the cap truths is that a franchise can get in trouble quickly trying to pay one RB top dollar, let alone two of them. Zeke demos the former while the Saints demo the latter.
NO had to decide a couple seasons ago between Kamara and Ingram... they stayed with the cheap rookie... and that's despite Ingram ultimately being a bargain for BLT at $5mm/yr.
You always have to keep one eye on the cap. Even when Sashi was clearing the decks, the FO's cap planning was reaching out many years.
And one of the cap truths is that a franchise can get in trouble quickly trying to pay one RB top dollar, let alone two of them. Zeke demos the former while the Saints demo the latter.
NO had to decide a couple seasons ago between Kamara and Ingram... they stayed with the cheap rookie... and that's despite Ingram ultimately being a bargain for BLT at $5mm/yr.
No doubt Tour my point is, as I'm sure you could guess, I prefer to be worrying about the cap after the 2019 run to the playoffs and the 2020 Super Bowl campaign. Not after 6 and whatever the hell.
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Kareem Hunt has Marshall Faulk type receiving skills. The best stiff arm in the game, bar none. A rushing title. Never fumbles. He's 24. What am I missing?
Just sign him today and get it over with.
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Kareem Hunt has Marshall Faulk type receiving skills. The best stiff arm in the game, bar none. A rushing title. Never fumbles. He's 24. What am I missing?
Just sign him today and get it over with.
Just sign him today and get it over with.
First off, we get it. Woo sah, as I like to say.
Secondly, I bet you that Hunt will garner 20+ million dollars in FA this year, if not a little more (I'm actually interested in how the RB market will play out). Chubb is one year away from a Zeke, Bell, Gurley type deal which he has deserved. I think you're simply underestimating how much worth, dollar wise, Hunt will garner. A dude with essentially a year of less carries who can EASILY and has shown he can be a lead dog is spicy.
As I believe you were already told, it makes a lot more sense to 1st round tender him as a RFA, which we can't do until the offseason. That would put his contract value around $5 million and we can see what the market is. If someone is going to throw the kitchen sink at the guy, we get a 1st round pick out of the deal. That very clearly makes the most sense.
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He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
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He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
I agree, but I'm hoping that Hunt will feel gratitude that the Browns took a chance on him and sign a 2-3yr "club friendly" deal............. I'm not holding my breath however.
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He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
He didn't kick her in the head. Putting your foot on a woman is bad enough. You don't have to exaggerate it.
We could sign chubb to a 2 year 16-20 million dollar year fully guaranteed (obviously with some outs if he does something dumb off the field) since chubb is still on his rookie deal. Then when that contract is up it will be time to sign Nick chubb to his extension. If chubb happens to get hurt or starts playing worse you make your decision to let him go and resign hunt. Having chubb on a rookie contract for another two years allows the browns to offer Hunt a really good two year deal which would be about what most teams would offer him. If they offer longer term it's going to be less money per year because of the off the field issues.
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No. That was just Pouncey with Myles. But no worries, the league was okay with it.
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He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
Well, we have other tandem RB examples than the one you named that seemed to work out quite well. But that was before the current economic model.
So, a question:
What in your collective opinions have been the best RB tandems in the league, say since 2000?
And, perhaps an interesting twist to that question: would the Jackson/Ingram "tandem" be considered here?
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Build the offensive line, giving Hunt big money is foolhardy....how many winning teams pay big money to a running back
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