Pay Hunt. Period.
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Yup... and if Hunt signs a reasonable offer sheet... say in the $35-40mm range for five years, then we can consider matching.
Exactly. I really like the guy but I don't think it's in our best interest to open the vault doors. Just for the record I hate the idea we are already discussing cap space before we've won anything.
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Exactly. I really like the guy but I don't think it's in our best interest to open the vault doors. Just for the record I hate the idea we are already discussing cap space before we've won anything.
You always have to keep one eye on the cap. Even when Sashi was clearing the decks, the FO's cap planning was reaching out many years.
And one of the cap truths is that a franchise can get in trouble quickly trying to pay one RB top dollar, let alone two of them. Zeke demos the former while the Saints demo the latter.
NO had to decide a couple seasons ago between Kamara and Ingram... they stayed with the cheap rookie... and that's despite Ingram ultimately being a bargain for BLT at $5mm/yr.
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Exactly. I really like the guy but I don't think it's in our best interest to open the vault doors. Just for the record I hate the idea we are already discussing cap space before we've won anything.
You always have to keep one eye on the cap. Even when Sashi was clearing the decks, the FO's cap planning was reaching out many years.
And one of the cap truths is that a franchise can get in trouble quickly trying to pay one RB top dollar, let alone two of them. Zeke demos the former while the Saints demo the latter.
NO had to decide a couple seasons ago between Kamara and Ingram... they stayed with the cheap rookie... and that's despite Ingram ultimately being a bargain for BLT at $5mm/yr.
You always have to keep one eye on the cap. Even when Sashi was clearing the decks, the FO's cap planning was reaching out many years.
And one of the cap truths is that a franchise can get in trouble quickly trying to pay one RB top dollar, let alone two of them. Zeke demos the former while the Saints demo the latter.
NO had to decide a couple seasons ago between Kamara and Ingram... they stayed with the cheap rookie... and that's despite Ingram ultimately being a bargain for BLT at $5mm/yr.
No doubt Tour my point is, as I'm sure you could guess, I prefer to be worrying about the cap after the 2019 run to the playoffs and the 2020 Super Bowl campaign. Not after 6 and whatever the hell.
WSS
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Kareem Hunt has Marshall Faulk type receiving skills. The best stiff arm in the game, bar none. A rushing title. Never fumbles. He's 24. What am I missing?
Just sign him today and get it over with.
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Kareem Hunt has Marshall Faulk type receiving skills. The best stiff arm in the game, bar none. A rushing title. Never fumbles. He's 24. What am I missing?
Just sign him today and get it over with.
Just sign him today and get it over with.
First off, we get it. Woo sah, as I like to say.
Secondly, I bet you that Hunt will garner 20+ million dollars in FA this year, if not a little more (I'm actually interested in how the RB market will play out). Chubb is one year away from a Zeke, Bell, Gurley type deal which he has deserved. I think you're simply underestimating how much worth, dollar wise, Hunt will garner. A dude with essentially a year of less carries who can EASILY and has shown he can be a lead dog is spicy.
As I believe you were already told, it makes a lot more sense to 1st round tender him as a RFA, which we can't do until the offseason. That would put his contract value around $5 million and we can see what the market is. If someone is going to throw the kitchen sink at the guy, we get a 1st round pick out of the deal. That very clearly makes the most sense.
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He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
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He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
I agree, but I'm hoping that Hunt will feel gratitude that the Browns took a chance on him and sign a 2-3yr "club friendly" deal............. I'm not holding my breath however.
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He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
He didn't kick her in the head. Putting your foot on a woman is bad enough. You don't have to exaggerate it.
We could sign chubb to a 2 year 16-20 million dollar year fully guaranteed (obviously with some outs if he does something dumb off the field) since chubb is still on his rookie deal. Then when that contract is up it will be time to sign Nick chubb to his extension. If chubb happens to get hurt or starts playing worse you make your decision to let him go and resign hunt. Having chubb on a rookie contract for another two years allows the browns to offer Hunt a really good two year deal which would be about what most teams would offer him. If they offer longer term it's going to be less money per year because of the off the field issues.
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No. That was just Pouncey with Myles. But no worries, the league was okay with it.
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He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.
Well, we have other tandem RB examples than the one you named that seemed to work out quite well. But that was before the current economic model.
So, a question:
What in your collective opinions have been the best RB tandems in the league, say since 2000?
And, perhaps an interesting twist to that question: would the Jackson/Ingram "tandem" be considered here?
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Build the offensive line, giving Hunt big money is foolhardy....how many winning teams pay big money to a running back
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Build the offensive line, giving Hunt big money is foolhardy....how many winning teams pay big money to a running back
Build the offensive line, giving Hunt big money is foolhardy....how many winning teams pay big money to a running back
We don't know. Why don't you do the research on that and come back to us with the results.
(but just off the top of my head....didn't the SB winning Seattle Seahawks have Marshawn Lynch as their top paid performer?
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Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt. Today's prototype. Lot better receiver then Jim. Stiff-arm. Maybe best inside out back in decades.
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Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt. Today's prototype. Lot better receiver then Jim. Stiff-arm. Maybe best inside out back in decades.
Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt. Today's prototype. Lot better receiver then Jim. Stiff-arm. Maybe best inside out back in decades.
PoG thinks your obsession towards Hunt is creepy, and he had 30 pages on drafting Saquon Barkely.
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Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt. Today's prototype. Lot better receiver then Jim. Stiff-arm. Maybe best inside out back in decades.
PoG thinks your obsession towards Hunt is creepy, and he had 30 pages on drafting Saquon Barkely.
PoG thinks your obsession towards Hunt is creepy, and he had 30 pages on drafting Saquon Barkely.
Hunt is a warrior. Barkley is an athlete. Hunt does no wrong on the field. Period. Pay him. He's the best in the game.
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Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt. Today's prototype. Lot better receiver then Jim. Stiff-arm. Maybe best inside out back in decades.
Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt. Today's prototype. Lot better receiver then Jim. Stiff-arm. Maybe best inside out back in decades.
JB was actually a pretty damn good receiver. Back in those days teams just did not throw to their RBs hardly ever. The exception was like Lenny Moore.
See my recent thread On This Date in History.....in which there are highlights of the Browns 1964 Championship game. It shows JB making a couple of pretty nice catches.
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PoG thinks your obsession towards Hunt is creepy, and he had 30 pages on drafting Saquon Barkely.
Hunt is a warrior. Barkley is an athlete. Hunt does no wrong on the field. Period. Pay him. He's the best in the game.
Hunt is a warrior. Barkley is an athlete. Hunt does no wrong on the field. Period. Pay him. He's the best in the game.
Find a coach that can utilize the talents of all our offensive weapons. We do not have that now.
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On his stats all 12 and 14 game seasons. He had two good receiving seasons in 1961 & 1962.
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Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 118 118 2359 12312 106 80 5.2 104.3 20.0 262 2499 9.5 20 83 2.2 21.2 2621 5.7 14811 126 57 122 1957*+ 21 CLE FB 32 12 12 202 942 9 69 4.7 78.5 16.8 16 55 3.4 1 12 1.3 4.6 218 4.6 997 10 7 1958*+ 22 CLE FB 32 12 12 257 1527 17 65 5.9 127.3 21.4 16 138 8.6 1 46 1.3 11.5 273 6.1 1665 18 5 1959*+ 23 CLE FB 32 12 12 290 1329 14 70 4.6 110.8 24.2 24 190 7.9 0 25 2.0 15.8 314 4.8 1519 14 2 1960*+ 24 CLE FB 32 12 12 215 1257 9 71 5.8 104.8 17.9 19 204 10.7 2 37 1.6 17.0 234 6.2 1461 11 9 21 1961*+ 25 CLE FB 32 14 14 305 1408 8 38 4.6 100.6 21.8 46 459 10.0 2 77 3.3 32.8 351 5.3 1867 10 6 19 1962* 26 CLE FB 32 14 14 230 996 13 31 4.3 71.1 16.4 47 517 11.0 5 53 3.4 36.9 277 5.5 1513 18 9 16 1963*+ 27 CLE FB 32 14 14 291 1863 12 80 6.4 133.1 20.8 24 268 11.2 3 83 1.7 19.1 315 6.8 2131 15 7 22 1964*+ 28 CLE FB 32 14 14 280 1446 7 71 5.2 103.3 20.0 36 340 9.4 2 40 2.6 24.3 316 5.7 1786 9 6 23 1965*+ 29 CLE FB 32 14 14 289 1544 17 67 5.3 110.3 20.6 34 328 9.6 4 32 2.4 23.4 323 5.8 1872 21 6 21
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