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  • He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.

    @vagitron said:

    He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.

    He didn't kick her in the head.  Putting your foot on a woman is bad enough. You don't have to exaggerate it. 

    We could sign chubb to a 2 year 16-20 million dollar year fully guaranteed (obviously with some outs if he does something dumb off the field) since chubb is still on his rookie deal.  Then when that contract is up it will be time to sign Nick chubb to his extension.  If chubb happens to get hurt or starts playing worse you make your decision to let him go and resign hunt. Having chubb on a rookie contract for another two years allows the browns to offer Hunt a really good two year deal which would be about what most teams would offer him.  If they offer longer term it's going to be less money per year because of the off the field issues.

  • No. That was just Pouncey with Myles. But no worries, the league was okay with it. 
     

  • He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.

    @vagitron said:

    He kicked a chick in the head but more importantly if you sign hunt, what do you do with chubb? The Panthers ran Stewart and Williams but that wasn't some sort of dream backfield and eventually they couldnt keep them together anyway. The Browns roster is going to start getting expensive so signing hunt sends a signal to chubb. I think hunt expects to be on another team because chubb is the guy. My outsider perspective.

    Well, we have other tandem RB examples than the one you named that seemed to work out quite well.    But that was before the current economic model.

    So,  a question:

    What in your collective  opinions have been the best  RB tandems in the league, say since   2000?

    And, perhaps an interesting twist to that question:     would  the Jackson/Ingram  "tandem"  be considered here?

  • Build the offensive line, giving Hunt big money is foolhardy....how many winning teams pay big money to a running back

  • Build the offensive line, giving Hunt big money is foolhardy....how many winning teams pay big money to a running back

    @footbalfan1962 said:

    Build the offensive line, giving Hunt big money is foolhardy....how many winning teams pay big money to a running back

    We don't know.  Why don't you do the research on that and come back to us with the results. 

    (but just off the top of my head....didn't the SB winning Seattle Seahawks have Marshawn Lynch as their top paid performer? 

  • Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt.  Today's prototype.  Lot better receiver then Jim.  Stiff-arm.  Maybe best inside out back in decades.

  • Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt.  Today's prototype.  Lot better receiver then Jim.  Stiff-arm.  Maybe best inside out back in decades.

    @skippinturtles said:

    Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt.  Today's prototype.  Lot better receiver then Jim.  Stiff-arm.  Maybe best inside out back in decades.

    PoG thinks your obsession towards Hunt is creepy, and he had 30 pages on drafting Saquon Barkely. 

  • @skippinturtles said:

    Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt.  Today's prototype.  Lot better receiver then Jim.  Stiff-arm.  Maybe best inside out back in decades.

    PoG thinks your obsession towards Hunt is creepy, and he had 30 pages on drafting Saquon Barkely. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    PoG thinks your obsession towards Hunt is creepy, and he had 30 pages on drafting Saquon Barkely. 

    Hunt is a warrior.  Barkley is an athlete.  Hunt does no wrong on the field.  Period.  Pay him.  He's the best in the game.

  • Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt.  Today's prototype.  Lot better receiver then Jim.  Stiff-arm.  Maybe best inside out back in decades.

    @skippinturtles said:

    Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt.  Today's prototype.  Lot better receiver then Jim.  Stiff-arm.  Maybe best inside out back in decades.

    JB was actually a pretty damn good receiver.  Back in those days teams just did not throw to their RBs hardly ever.  The exception was like Lenny Moore. 

    See my recent thread On This Date in History.....in which there are highlights of the Browns 1964 Championship game.  It shows JB making a couple of pretty nice catches. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    PoG thinks your obsession towards Hunt is creepy, and he had 30 pages on drafting Saquon Barkely. 

    Hunt is a warrior.  Barkley is an athlete.  Hunt does no wrong on the field.  Period.  Pay him.  He's the best in the game.

    @skippinturtles said:

    Hunt is a warrior.  Barkley is an athlete.  Hunt does no wrong on the field.  Period.  Pay him.  He's the best in the game.

    Find a coach that can utilize the talents of all our offensive weapons.  We do not have that now. 

  • On his stats all 12 and 14 game seasons. He had two good receiving seasons in 1961 & 1962.

    • Glossary
      Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds      
    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
    Career       118 118 2359 12312 106 80 5.2 104.3 20.0 262 2499 9.5 20 83 2.2 21.2 2621 5.7 14811 126 57 122
    1957*+ 21 CLE FB 32 12 12 202 942 9 69 4.7 78.5 16.8 16 55 3.4 1 12 1.3 4.6 218 4.6 997 10 7  
    1958*+ 22 CLE FB 32 12 12 257 1527 17 65 5.9 127.3 21.4 16 138 8.6 1 46 1.3 11.5 273 6.1 1665 18 5  
    1959*+ 23 CLE FB 32 12 12 290 1329 14 70 4.6 110.8 24.2 24 190 7.9 0 25 2.0 15.8 314 4.8 1519 14 2  
    1960*+ 24 CLE FB 32 12 12 215 1257 9 71 5.8 104.8 17.9 19 204 10.7 2 37 1.6 17.0 234 6.2 1461 11 9 21
    1961*+ 25 CLE FB 32 14 14 305 1408 8 38 4.6 100.6 21.8 46 459 10.0 2 77 3.3 32.8 351 5.3 1867 10 6 19
    1962* 26 CLE FB 32 14 14 230 996 13 31 4.3 71.1 16.4 47 517 11.0 5 53 3.4 36.9 277 5.5 1513 18 9 16
    1963*+ 27 CLE FB 32 14 14 291 1863 12 80 6.4 133.1 20.8 24 268 11.2 3 83 1.7 19.1 315 6.8 2131 15 7 22
    1964*+ 28 CLE FB 32 14 14 280 1446 7 71 5.2 103.3 20.0 36 340 9.4 2 40 2.6 24.3 316 5.7 1786 9 6 23
    1965*+ 29 CLE FB 32 14 14 289 1544 17 67 5.3 110.3 20.6 34 328 9.6 4 32 2.4 23.4 323 5.8 1872 21 6 21
  • @dutch-oven said:

    PoG thinks your obsession towards Hunt is creepy, and he had 30 pages on drafting Saquon Barkely. 

    Hunt is a warrior.  Barkley is an athlete.  Hunt does no wrong on the field.  Period.  Pay him.  He's the best in the game.

    @skippinturtles said:

    Hunt is a warrior.  Hunt does no wrong on the field.  Period.  Pay him.  He's the best in the game.

    Ummmmmm... no.

  • @ibleedbrown said:

    Isn’t he like a restricted free agent after this year?

    I initially didn't think so, but you are correct.  Browns slap a first round tender on him = no brainer. Or will the Browns value him so highly they'd be willing to negotiate a long term deal ahead of time?  

    @hoorta said:

    I initially didn't think so, but you are correct.  Browns slap a first round tender on him = no brainer. Or will the Browns value him so highly they'd be willing to negotiate a long term deal ahead of time?  

    Not with his history and not with a top 5 RB already here. Chubb deserves a long term deal before Hunt does. 

  • @hoorta said:

    I initially didn't think so, but you are correct.  Browns slap a first round tender on him = no brainer. Or will the Browns value him so highly they'd be willing to negotiate a long term deal ahead of time?  

    Not with his history and not with a top 5 RB already here. Chubb deserves a long term deal before Hunt does. 

    @icecube said:

    Not with his history and not with a top 5 RB already here. Chubb deserves a long term deal before Hunt does. 

    Agree...

    And the tender should be a 2nd round level. No one is going to give up a 1st for Hunt... but for the price of a 2nd he should have a suitor or two.

  • @icecube said:

    Not with his history and not with a top 5 RB already here. Chubb deserves a long term deal before Hunt does. 

    Agree...

    And the tender should be a 2nd round level. No one is going to give up a 1st for Hunt... but for the price of a 2nd he should have a suitor or two.

    @tour2ma said:

    Agree...

    And the tender should be a 2nd round level. No one is going to give up a 1st for Hunt... but for the price of a 2nd he should have a suitor or two.

    Maybe, he still seems like one dumb move away, this dude get's big $? Even medium $? 

  • Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt.  Today's prototype.  Lot better receiver then Jim.  Stiff-arm.  Maybe best inside out back in decades.

    @skippinturtles said:

    Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt.  Today's prototype.  Lot better receiver then Jim.  Stiff-arm.  Maybe best inside out back in decades.

    Most consider Jim Brown to be the best football player...... EVER

  • @tour2ma said:

    Agree...

    And the tender should be a 2nd round level. No one is going to give up a 1st for Hunt... but for the price of a 2nd he should have a suitor or two.

    Maybe, he still seems like one dumb move away, this dude get's big $? Even medium $? 

    @icecube said:

    Maybe, he still seems like one dumb move away, this dude get's big $? Even medium $? 

    There is that, but that'll be addressed in the size of the guaranteed money. Any salary risk is mitigated by the League's Personal Conduct Policy clauses.

  • @icecube said:

    Maybe, he still seems like one dumb move away, this dude get's big $? Even medium $? 

    There is that, but that'll be addressed in the size of the guaranteed money. Any salary risk is mitigated by the League's Personal Conduct Policy clauses.

    @tour2ma said:

    There is that, but that'll be addressed in the size of the guaranteed money. Any salary risk is mitigated by the League's Personal Conduct Policy clauses.

    Who's the better running back?  Hunt or Chubb?  Receiving.  Stiff-arm.  No fumbles.  Big plays.  Please keep both.  

  • @skippinturtles said:

    Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt.  Today's prototype.  Lot better receiver then Jim.  Stiff-arm.  Maybe best inside out back in decades.

    Most consider Jim Brown to be the best football player...... EVER

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Most consider Jim Brown to be the best football player...... EVER

    He was the best RB from 1957 - 1965 for sure and led the league in rushing 8 of 9 the only year he didn't win it he had 47 rec for 517 yards,....not bad.

    Best ever, I'd say so.  Now Chubb and Hunt are great together as long as you can keep them together -plus- they will eat into each other's numbers.....the measure for RBs.

  • @skippinturtles said:

    Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt.  Today's prototype.  Lot better receiver then Jim.  Stiff-arm.  Maybe best inside out back in decades.

    Most consider Jim Brown to be the best football player...... EVER

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Most consider Jim Brown to be the best football player...... EVER

    gumby73    no need to consider nor debate.. JB was & always will be the GOAT ?