Patriots caught filming Cincy's bench signals..in Browns' press box !
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That's the Bill Belichick school of winning at all cost regardless of any consequences much moreso than every other team and coaches desire to win and excell.
It's a sickness with him.
He must have caught that disease after he left Cleveland, seeing that he had 4 out of 5 losing seasons here.
He must have caught that disease after he left Cleveland, seeing that he had 4 out of 5 losing seasons here.
I have Bill at 41-57 (418%) before Tom Brady took over full time on week 3 2001......... Chicken or the egg? I say the yoke is on Bill.
That being said, he's still one of the greatest coaches ever, in any sport.
^ cue the crying................................
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He must have caught that disease after he left Cleveland, seeing that he had 4 out of 5 losing seasons here.
I have Bill at 41-57 (418%) before Tom Brady took over full time on week 3 2001......... Chicken or the egg? I say the yoke is on Bill.
That being said, he's still one of the greatest coaches ever, in any sport.
^ cue the crying................................
I have Bill at 41-57 (418%) before Tom Brady took over full time on week 3 2001......... Chicken or the egg? I say the yoke is on Bill.
That being said, he's still one of the greatest coaches ever, in any sport.
^ cue the crying................................
Well, he has one of the best records.....as a coach/QB combination. He and Brady are perhaps second only to Paul Brown/Otto Graham in that regard.
But, note: After OG left Cleveland, PB was only able to get the Browns into one title game thereafter: 1957 with Tommy O'Connell at QB. BB has never come close without TB (one postseason win with Vinny T. at QB.)
It is one of the reasons, to be honest....that I happen to think that Joe Gibbs was such a great coach.....yes, better than BB. He took teams that were QBed by: Joe Theisman, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams to Super Bowl victiories . Lost another with Theisman....None of those QBs came close to HOF consideration.....nor were they considered elite QBs when they played. (except, maybe Theisman for a bit)
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I have Bill at 41-57 (418%) before Tom Brady took over full time on week 3 2001......... Chicken or the egg? I say the yoke is on Bill.
That being said, he's still one of the greatest coaches ever, in any sport.
^ cue the crying................................
Well, he has one of the best records.....as a coach/QB combination. He and Brady are perhaps second only to Paul Brown/Otto Graham in that regard.
But, note: After OG left Cleveland, PB was only able to get the Browns into one title game thereafter: 1957 with Tommy O'Connell at QB. BB has never come close without TB (one postseason win with Vinny T. at QB.)
It is one of the reasons, to be honest....that I happen to think that Joe Gibbs was such a great coach.....yes, better than BB. He took teams that were QBed by: Joe Theisman, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams to Super Bowl victiories . Lost another with Theisman....None of those QBs came close to HOF consideration.....nor were they considered elite QBs when they played. (except, maybe Theisman for a bit)
It is one of the reasons, to be honest....that I happen to think that Joe Gibbs was such a great coach.....yes, better than BB. He took teams that were QBed by: Joe Theisman, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams to Super Bowl victiories . Lost another with Theisman....None of those QBs came close to HOF consideration.....nor were they considered elite QBs when they played. (except, maybe Theisman for a bit)
Hard to argue with that.... add on the fact that Coach Gibbs is such a quality human being, and you've got yourself one of the GOATs for sure.
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Yeah, the Patriots need to cheat to beat the worst team in the league. Is that what the thinking on this board is?
It's not what we think it's what Belichick obviously thinks as latest reports state they filmed 8 minutes of Cincinatti's hand signals and substitutions during the game before the videographer was busted.
It's not what we think it's what Belichick obviously thinks
And Belichick stated that, Yeah, I heard about it...but that's the TV show Production side of things. What they're doing he has no idea and hasn't seen any of that stuff that those people do. I'm assuming that some of those TV production people are now looking for new jobs.
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That's the Bill Belichick school of winning at all cost regardless of any consequences much moreso than every other team and coaches desire to win and excell.
It's a sickness with him.
He must have caught that disease after he left Cleveland, seeing that he had 4 out of 5 losing seasons here.
He must have caught that disease after he left Cleveland, seeing that he had 4 out of 5 losing seasons here.
Probably prompted him to cheat.
It's not hard to look like a defensive genius when you know the play that is going to be run.
At least in baseball the hitter still has to hit the ball, which is hard in and of itself.
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He must have caught that disease after he left Cleveland, seeing that he had 4 out of 5 losing seasons here.
Probably prompted him to cheat.
It's not hard to look like a defensive genius when you know the play that is going to be run.
At least in baseball the hitter still has to hit the ball, which is hard in and of itself.
cheat.
There's an old sports saying, If you cheat and get away with it, then it's a good play. And yet they use to put the teams in charge of proper inflation of the footballs.
OL coaches use to (perhaps still do) teach how to hold and get away with it.
Baseball, corked bats, emery boards, spitballs, stealing signs.....
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cheat.
There's an old sports saying, If you cheat and get away with it, then it's a good play. And yet they use to put the teams in charge of proper inflation of the footballs.
OL coaches use to (perhaps still do) teach how to hold and get away with it.
Baseball, corked bats, emery boards, spitballs, stealing signs.....
There's an old sports saying, If you cheat and get away with it, then it's a good play. And yet they use to put the teams in charge of proper inflation of the footballs.
OL coaches use to (perhaps still do) teach how to hold and get away with it.
Baseball, corked bats, emery boards, spitballs, stealing signs.....
Non-contact knee injuries in futbol (that was for Nero). LOL!
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It's not what we think it's what Belichick obviously thinks
And Belichick stated that, Yeah, I heard about it...but that's the TV show Production side of things. What they're doing he has no idea and hasn't seen any of that stuff that those people do. I'm assuming that some of those TV production people are now looking for new jobs.
And Belichick stated that, Yeah, I heard about it...but that's the TV show Production side of things. What they're doing he has no idea and hasn't seen any of that stuff that those people do. I'm assuming that some of those TV production people are now looking for new jobs.
Plausible deniability BS, you believe that then I have bridge to sell you. Patriots don't get the benefit of the doubt with their track record. Read what happened on "The Athletic", videographer was clearly taping the Bengals' sidelines, signals and substitution for nearly a quarter ( purported Advance Scout was nowhere in the frame) and after being caught begged that the tape be deleted rather than handed over to the NFL.
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And Belichick stated that, Yeah, I heard about it...but that's the TV show Production side of things. What they're doing he has no idea and hasn't seen any of that stuff that those people do. I'm assuming that some of those TV production people are now looking for new jobs.
Plausible deniability BS, you believe that then I have bridge to sell you. Patriots don't get the benefit of the doubt with their track record. Read what happened on "The Athletic", videographer was clearly taping the Bengals' sidelines, signals and substitution for nearly a quarter ( purported Advance Scout was nowhere in the frame) and after being caught begged that the tape be deleted rather than handed over to the NFL.
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Belichick is a great coach the way Madoff is a great investor.
He sucked with the Browns (who won a super bowl a few seasons after he left) and went 5-11 with the Pats his first season. To not get fired he started filming. Football is the best sport to cheat at because it's all set plays, so you don't need great players if you know what the other team's doing.
Then he wins like crazy for 6 seasons and the media crowns him a genius. Then it's revealed he cheated and the league destroys the evidence, fines him, and lets him keep coaching.
Then he somehow keeps an insane winning percentage over the next 13 seasons. If something is too good to be true, it definitely is. If Madoff had only been fined, do you think he would have gone straight or kept ripping people off?
Belichick should have been banned for life like the 1919 Black Sox. The fact that they let him stay in the league is a travesty.
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Belichick is a great coach the way Madoff is a great investor.
He sucked with the Browns (who won a super bowl a few seasons after he left) and went 5-11 with the Pats his first season. To not get fired he started filming. Football is the best sport to cheat at because it's all set plays, so you don't need great players if you know what the other team's doing.
Then he wins like crazy for 6 seasons and the media crowns him a genius. Then it's revealed he cheated and the league destroys the evidence, fines him, and lets him keep coaching.
Then he somehow keeps an insane winning percentage over the next 13 seasons. If something is too good to be true, it definitely is. If Madoff had only been fined, do you think he would have gone straight or kept ripping people off?
Belichick should have been banned for life like the 1919 Black Sox. The fact that they let him stay in the league is a travesty.
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What I really don't get is people who say that he cheated AND he's a great coach. Either he's a genius unfairly maligned or a complete fraud, he can't be both.
What I really don't get is people who say that he cheated AND he's a great coach. Either he's a genius unfairly maligned or a complete fraud, he can't be both.
to be honest, as much as I don't like buttichek, it could be that he was never a part of the spying. I suppose it could happen via a defensive player or two... or a defensive coach... who knows? But he's still a low budget scumbag..........
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I think it's important to remember here that this filming thing went on WITH the knowledge of the Browns organization. I feel quite certain that there was not supposed to be filming of the Bengals sidelines or signals from the sidelines. I'd have to assume that the camera man was doing that on his own and wasn't doing it maliciously. And with the penalties that the Patriots payed years ago they were not intentionally inviting that kind of situation back upon themselves again. I mean, it just doesn't pass the smell test.
And I don't think that the Browns would take part in helping the Patriots to beat the Bengals. The Bengals are no challenge to the Browns playoff chances. As a matter of fact, we probably want the Bengals to WIN a couple of games down the stretch and NOT get such a good draft pick.
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I think it's important to remember here that this filming thing went on WITH the knowledge of the Browns organization. I feel quite certain that there was not supposed to be filming of the Bengals sidelines or signals from the sidelines. I'd have to assume that the camera man was doing that on his own and wasn't doing it maliciously. And with the penalties that the Patriots payed years ago they were not intentionally inviting that kind of situation back upon themselves again. I mean, it just doesn't pass the smell test.
And I don't think that the Browns would take part in helping the Patriots to beat the Bengals. The Bengals are no challenge to the Browns playoff chances. As a matter of fact, we probably want the Bengals to WIN a couple of games down the stretch and NOT get such a good draft pick.
I think it's important to remember here that this filming thing went on WITH the knowledge of the Browns organization. I feel quite certain that there was not supposed to be filming of the Bengals sidelines or signals from the sidelines. I'd have to assume that the camera man was doing that on his own and wasn't doing it maliciously. And with the penalties that the Patriots payed years ago they were not intentionally inviting that kind of situation back upon themselves again. I mean, it just doesn't pass the smell test.
And I don't think that the Browns would take part in helping the Patriots to beat the Bengals. The Bengals are no challenge to the Browns playoff chances. As a matter of fact, we probably want the Bengals to WIN a couple of games down the stretch and NOT get such a good draft pick.
Not seein it. The Browns gave them permission to do the Patriots thing, NOT film the Bengals sideline.
I guess there needs to be oversight. Perhaps a monitor to sit and watch? egad. I can't imagine the camera man doing it on his own. Lose his job because....why? There doesn't seem to be any motivation to do that at all, without figuring that there was a major benefit to the camera man. Meaning, someone on the Patriots org/team was paying the camera man in some fashion or another.
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I mean, the only thing no one is saying (thank God) is that if this was some advanced scouting don't the Browns look like idiots letting them do it? At least a bit right?
Anyone, this is classic "boy who cried wolf" to me. Maybe that linked article is true, but I'm not going to buy it.
Edit: Guess not-https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28261318/patriots-say-video-crew-filmed-sideline-bengals-browns-game
I mean, the only thing no one is saying (thank God) is that if this was some advanced scouting don't the Browns look like idiots letting them do it? At least a bit right?
Regardless, even if the Browns organization was out of the picture the Browns still managed to get their name attached to a potential scandal.
"It happened in Cleveland"
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I think it's important to remember here that this filming thing went on WITH the knowledge of the Browns organization. I feel quite certain that there was not supposed to be filming of the Bengals sidelines or signals from the sidelines. I'd have to assume that the camera man was doing that on his own and wasn't doing it maliciously. And with the penalties that the Patriots payed years ago they were not intentionally inviting that kind of situation back upon themselves again. I mean, it just doesn't pass the smell test.
And I don't think that the Browns would take part in helping the Patriots to beat the Bengals. The Bengals are no challenge to the Browns playoff chances. As a matter of fact, we probably want the Bengals to WIN a couple of games down the stretch and NOT get such a good draft pick.
Not seein it. The Browns gave them permission to do the Patriots thing, NOT film the Bengals sideline.
I guess there needs to be oversight. Perhaps a monitor to sit and watch? egad. I can't imagine the camera man doing it on his own. Lose his job because....why? There doesn't seem to be any motivation to do that at all, without figuring that there was a major benefit to the camera man. Meaning, someone on the Patriots org/team was paying the camera man in some fashion or another.
Not seein it. The Browns gave them permission to do the Patriots thing, NOT film the Bengals sideline.
I guess there needs to be oversight. Perhaps a monitor to sit and watch?
Browns still managed to get their name attached to a potential scandal.
We seem to have a certain knack for that don't we....
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