Browns Willing to Let Schobert Walk, Per Source
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So, you admit that at times you are a little cunny. You take me off ignore because occasionally you want to act like you have a set?
If you have a disagreement with me....argue your point. Don't pussy out and run away like a banana slug. Stand your ground.
I assume you take issue with my characterization of Polamalu...
fine, I am sure the HOF committee may too. It won't change my opinion that he was still overrated.
Then there is no point in arguing with you then. I can give you evidence, facts, data, grades... all of it. Like any good idiot, you'll just dig in and say "My opinion" despite the overwhelming conclusion that your opinion is rooted in idiocy. Much like the bulk of what you post. I asked this to Gorka's bitch ass about a week ago and I'll rhetorically ask you - "why bother?" Who has that kind of time or care? You've already admitted that regardless of what I argue, you're not convinced.
So this is my stance - fuck you.
Then there is no point in arguing with you then. I can give you evidence, facts, data, grades... all of it.
Can you? Then why do you never do that.
Like any good idiot, you'll just dig in and say "My opinion" despite the overwhelming conclusion that your opinion is rooted in idiocy. Much like the bulk of what you post.
except, of course, it is I who provide the facts, data, evidence to back up my opinions. But, OK....I will give you this: my opinion on Polamalu IS counter to what most people think. But...I DO admit that that is an opinion, somewhat.....except:
here is some data for you: ALL of the following defensive players have been rated as having a more productive career than has Troy Polamalu, and none so far are in the HOF...though a few likely will be placed in there (and some play his same position):
Charles Woodson; Calais Campbell; John Lynch, Darren Sharper, Troy Vincent, Pat Fischer, John Abraham, Pat Swilling, Neil Smith, Donnie Shell, Bill Romanowski, Wilbur Marshall, Cornelius Bennett, Ted Washington, Eugene Robinson, Chuck Howley, Jared Allen, Sam Mills, Ken Riley, Isaiah Robinson, Steve McMichael, DeMarcus Ware, Hardy Nickerson, Haloti Ngata, Ed Too Tall Jones, James Farrior, Eric Allen, Jimmy Smith, Clay Matthews, London Fletcher, Zach Thomas, Terrell Suggs, Ronde Barber, Jim Marshall, Julius Peppers.
So, Justify to each of these guys why a guy who was less productive in his career should get in ahead of any of them.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/av_career.htm
I asked this to Gorka's bitch ass about a week ago and I'll rhetorically ask you - "why bother?" Who has that kind of time or care? You've already admitted that regardless of what I argue, you're not convinced.
Disagree.....bring me a convincing argument about something...and I can certainly accept it. Just here this morning Gorka gave me something serious to think about.
So this is my stance - fuck you.
Convince me that you have the equipment to do that.
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Please keep in mind that this is also from MKC, and I have about as much respect for her as I do a tabloid reporter. However, if Joe Schobert says he doesn't have an offer, and then also said there's been no contact on over a month, I'm officially worried. I'm not sure everyone totally realizes how bad our linebacker situation is, and please don't tell me anything about Mack Wilson. That kid is trying to learn but he's not good. Repeat after me, Mack Wilson is not good. If we lose Schobert, we'll likely need an entirely new LB corp next year. Taki and Wilson can be role players, but I honestly don't believe they're starting material. Lord knows I want to be wrong about them, but I don't think I am.
Sign Schobert now please.
Please keep in mind that this is also from MKC, and I have about as much respect for her as I do a tabloid reporter. However, if Joe Schobert says he doesn't have an offer, and then also said there's been no contact on over a month, I'm officially worried. I'm not sure everyone totally realizes how bad our linebacker situation is, and please don't tell me anything about Mack Wilson. That kid is trying to learn but he's not good. Repeat after me, Mack Wilson is not good. If we lose Schobert, we'll likely need an entirely new LB corp next year. Taki and Wilson can be role players, but I honestly don't believe they're starting material. Lord knows I want to be wrong about them, but I don't think I am.
Sign Schobert now please.
Let me get this straight because philosophically speaking it sounds outrageous! A team that desperately needs to improve its chemistry and continuity wants to remove it's heart and soul to create another opening? If there's a gotta keep guy on this defense ANYWHERE - it's Schobert. If our FO doesn't understand this - DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASSSS ON THE WAY OUT! More specifically, I overrated the crap out of Dorsey-Doe!
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Please keep in mind that this is also from MKC, and I have about as much respect for her as I do a tabloid reporter. However, if Joe Schobert says he doesn't have an offer, and then also said there's been no contact on over a month, I'm officially worried. I'm not sure everyone totally realizes how bad our linebacker situation is, and please don't tell me anything about Mack Wilson. That kid is trying to learn but he's not good. Repeat after me, Mack Wilson is not good. If we lose Schobert, we'll likely need an entirely new LB corp next year. Taki and Wilson can be role players, but I honestly don't believe they're starting material. Lord knows I want to be wrong about them, but I don't think I am.
Sign Schobert now please.
Let me get this straight because philosophically speaking it sounds outrageous! A team that desperately needs to improve its chemistry and continuity wants to remove it's heart and soul to create another opening? If there's a gotta keep guy on this defense ANYWHERE - it's Schobert. If our FO doesn't understand this - DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASSSS ON THE WAY OUT! More specifically, I overrated the crap out of Dorsey-Doe!
Let me get this straight because philosophically speaking it sounds outrageous! A team that desperately needs to improve its chemistry and continuity wants to remove it's heart and soul to create another opening? If there's a gotta keep guy on this defense ANYWHERE - it's Schobert. If our FO doesn't understand this - DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASSSS ON THE WAY OUT! More specifically, I overrated the crap out of Dorsey-Doe!
Tom.. I gotta believe there's something cooking to keep Sho in CLE ,behind the scenes.. The kid is having a monster year for himself thus far.. They (The Browns FO) can't be this ignorant.. Or can they... Dorsey has been good... But I would agree he whiffed on a couple of guys... He's not been infallible..... I really hope they go all out to retain this young man...
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Meanwhile Hyde has his first 1000 yd season ever on a TD run to take the lead early in the 4th against Tenn. 21-14.
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Mack Wilson was a steal for a 5th rounder. He is only a rookie and seems to have a HIGH ceiling.
Scho will be expensive to retain and we have to think about the contract Myles Garrett will be getting soon.. -
Obviously people will disagree with me but the position this FO was put in and this is what we have to show for it. It’s ugly. A waste.
A huge opportunity squandered.
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Obviously people will disagree with me but the position this FO was put in and this is what we have to show for it. It’s ugly. A waste.
A huge opportunity squandered.
Obviously people will disagree with me but the position this FO was put in and this is what we have to show for it. It’s ugly. A waste.
A huge opportunity squandered.
I was wondering when you'd pull yourself away from your Sashi Brown shrine and come here to gloat.
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Obviously people will disagree with me but the position this FO was put in and this is what we have to show for it. It’s ugly. A waste.
A huge opportunity squandered.
I was wondering when you'd pull yourself away from your Sashi Brown shrine and come here to gloat.
I was wondering when you'd pull yourself away from your Sashi Brown shrine and come here to gloat.
I was wondering when you’d quote me mentioning Sashi. You’re as boring as our offense this year.
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Then there is no point in arguing with you then. I can give you evidence, facts, data, grades... all of it.
Can you? Then why do you never do that.
Like any good idiot, you'll just dig in and say "My opinion" despite the overwhelming conclusion that your opinion is rooted in idiocy. Much like the bulk of what you post.
except, of course, it is I who provide the facts, data, evidence to back up my opinions. But, OK....I will give you this: my opinion on Polamalu IS counter to what most people think. But...I DO admit that that is an opinion, somewhat.....except:
here is some data for you: ALL of the following defensive players have been rated as having a more productive career than has Troy Polamalu, and none so far are in the HOF...though a few likely will be placed in there (and some play his same position):
Charles Woodson; Calais Campbell; John Lynch, Darren Sharper, Troy Vincent, Pat Fischer, John Abraham, Pat Swilling, Neil Smith, Donnie Shell, Bill Romanowski, Wilbur Marshall, Cornelius Bennett, Ted Washington, Eugene Robinson, Chuck Howley, Jared Allen, Sam Mills, Ken Riley, Isaiah Robinson, Steve McMichael, DeMarcus Ware, Hardy Nickerson, Haloti Ngata, Ed Too Tall Jones, James Farrior, Eric Allen, Jimmy Smith, Clay Matthews, London Fletcher, Zach Thomas, Terrell Suggs, Ronde Barber, Jim Marshall, Julius Peppers.
So, Justify to each of these guys why a guy who was less productive in his career should get in ahead of any of them.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/av_career.htm
I asked this to Gorka's bitch ass about a week ago and I'll rhetorically ask you - "why bother?" Who has that kind of time or care? You've already admitted that regardless of what I argue, you're not convinced.
Disagree.....bring me a convincing argument about something...and I can certainly accept it. Just here this morning Gorka gave me something serious to think about.
So this is my stance - fuck you.
Convince me that you have the equipment to do that.
You actually listed players at completely different positions then Troy and then bothered to compare about production and stats?!?!
You. Fucking. Dumb. Shit.
I take that back, you have high functioning autism because there is no other explanation for why anybody would attempt to even do that. This is like me saying "CLAY MATTHEWS SHOULDN"T GET INTO THE HOF BECAUSE JJ WATT WAS BETTER". Well herpy fucking derp there, Sheriff Woody. You can't even do an honest apples to apples comparison. Aren't you a mod or something associated with this site as well? Jesus H, as if this board needs more embarrassment. Because if Gorka gave you something to "think about" then I'm not about to drop my IQ to room temperature just to hang out with you mouth breathers at that level.
And there's always the "It won't change my mind". Point blank, you said it. So either you just have a whiny bitch like need for attention or you like talking out what you post in your own mind. Either way, you're reasoning skills hint that you're fucked in the head.
I'll take my highway exit here, champ. The void of the ignore list awaits.
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I was wondering when you'd pull yourself away from your Sashi Brown shrine and come here to gloat.
I was wondering when you’d quote me mentioning Sashi. You’re as boring as our offense this year.
I was wondering when you’d quote me mentioning Sashi. You’re as boring as our offense this year.
Your love affair with him is worth admiring from afar.
Now you can scurry under the rock you've been hiding under all season.
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Mack Wilson has NOT played well this season, consistently earning poor grades vs the run AND pass.
Genius cal posted a link of Wilson's "great" PFF rating off of the preseason Redskins game, because cal is a dipshit.
To be fair, Wilson has been playing out of position at OLB.
Oh boy.... another Schobert thread!
Same as in the other two I'll make the point that signing Joe is a matter of price.
Mack Wilson has NOT played well this season, consistently earning poor grades vs the run AND pass.
Genius cal posted a link of Wilson's "great" PFF rating off of the preseason Redskins game, because cal is a dipshit.
To be fair, Wilson has been playing out of position at OLB.
And Joe was a 3-4 OLB in college and his rookie year with us. As a rookie he wasn't particularly good, but was playing maybe 15# heavier. When Williams moved him inside to be his 4-3 MLB he asked him to lose weight. I honestly think he'd flourish outside in a 4-3 at his current weight.
Mack inside? Dunno... he'd definitely thump more when he diagnosed the play, but that percentage would have to increase considerably and his liability in coverage is considerable.
I was wondering when you'd pull yourself away from your Sashi Brown shrine and come here to gloat.
It's a really good shrine...I've seen it. It's almost as nice as mine.... but drives on the wrong side of the road.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I was wondering when you’d quote me mentioning Sashi. You’re as boring as our offense this year.
Your love affair with him is worth admiring from afar.
Now you can scurry under the rock you've been hiding under all season.
Your love affair with him is worth admiring from afar.
Now you can scurry under the rock you've been hiding under all season.
Not been hiding I got bored of you replying to everything I said with the same nonsense about Sashi Brown. Glad to see you grew out of that.
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Your love affair with him is worth admiring from afar.
Now you can scurry under the rock you've been hiding under all season.
Not been hiding I got bored of you replying to everything I said with the same nonsense about Sashi Brown. Glad to see you grew out of that.
Not been hiding I got bored of you replying to everything I said with the same nonsense about Sashi Brown. Glad to see you grew out of that.
Prepared to get bored out of your mind.
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I remember partaking in the conversation quite a while back... Schob moving back to more of a WILL role with Mack in the middle makes a great deal of sense to me. Of course this would mostly be predicated on a new DC (Please, Christ) and a personnel/scheme review.
Kirksey is gone. What cash you save by cutting him can go towards Schob. I just hate carrying dead money.
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Simple, Dorsey didn't draft him. He hates Sashi's players and prefers his "real" football players like Jermaine Whitehead. If Schobert walks they're going to create a hole in the LB corp, Wilson is nowhere close to the production of Schobert and TakiTaki is a special teams caliber player for the foreseeable future. So far Dorsey looks incapable of building a team but is fixated on bringing in his guys, creating a hole somewhere then uses picks and cap space to fix it. Good teams keep their talent, Schobert was a 4/5th round pick that's been developed into a probowler and we're going to let another team benefit from that?
Simple, Dorsey didn't draft him. He hates Sashi's players and prefers his "real" football players like Jermaine Whitehead. If Schobert walks they're going to create a hole in the LB corp, Wilson is nowhere close to the production of Schobert and TakiTaki is a special teams caliber player for the foreseeable future. So far Dorsey looks incapable of building a team but is fixated on bringing in his guys, creating a hole somewhere then uses picks and cap space to fix it. Good teams keep their talent, Schobert was a 4/5th round pick that's been developed into a probowler and we're going to let another team benefit from that?
Agree with everything you said.
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I remember partaking in the conversation quite a while back... Schob moving back to more of a WILL role with Mack in the middle makes a great deal of sense to me. Of course this would mostly be predicated on a new DC (Please, Christ) and a personnel/scheme review.
Kirksey is gone. What cash you save by cutting him can go towards Schob. I just hate carrying dead money.
I remember partaking in the conversation quite a while back... Schob moving back to more of a WILL role with Mack in the middle makes a great deal of sense to me. Of course this would mostly be predicated on a new DC (Please, Christ) and a personnel/scheme review.
Kirksey is gone. What cash you save by cutting him can go towards Schob. I just hate carrying dead money.
Cutting Kirk before 6-1-20 carries a $3.6mm dead money, price tag (saving 16.8).
His play does not warrant that price, but he has been the leader of our D and I've seen no one step into the void he left.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I remember partaking in the conversation quite a while back... Schob moving back to more of a WILL role with Mack in the middle makes a great deal of sense to me. Of course this would mostly be predicated on a new DC (Please, Christ) and a personnel/scheme review.
Kirksey is gone. What cash you save by cutting him can go towards Schob. I just hate carrying dead money.
Cutting Kirk before 6-1-20 carries a $3.6mm dead money, price tag (saving 16.8).
His play does not warrant that price, but he has been the leader of our D and I've seen no one step into the void he left.
Cutting Kirk before 6-1-20 carries a $3.6mm dead money, price tag (saving 16.8).
His play does not warrant that price, but he has been the leader of our D and I've seen no one step into the void he left.
Best ability is availability, which ain't Kirk.
Schob is a bit more low-key, I give you that. But going off what the rest of the defense has said when asked, Joe has stepped up as the 'leader' on the field. At least, by our players admission.
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I’m highly interested in steps forward for this team, so l am all for resigning Schobert. He’s basically the captain of the defense, or at least the coordinator’s on field assistant, so you take him away you gotta find someone new for that role. A rookie likely won’t cut it. Kirksey when healthy? Maybe. Mack? Eh.
I’d like us to maintain any positive momentum we have going into next year, and l think Schobert is part of that.
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MLB bears as much responsibility as any Defender for stopping the run and more than most.
Our D ranks 27th vs. the run.
I like Joe, but he's not an impact MLB.... 4-3's need a thumper in the middle.
His ability to flow, his sure tackling and his coverage ability are better suited to 4-3 OLB... IMO... but even there, not at any price.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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