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  • You guys are going to have to open this and then increase scale, I don't know how to resize it.    Anywho I'm going to throw my hand at this.  Untitled.thumb.png.1e3429c698b2bdc7826bbd157cf43c8b.png

    You have plus splits to the trips side even though formation strength is the the boundary. This is pattern matching coverage the only problem is, at some point when you're a safety you just have to play ball.  You know your opposing QB's favorite target, you know they want to get him involved and you know their QB likes bigger bodies because his ball placement is questionable at times.  Instincts mean a great deal.


    This is a double under with a vertical from the #3 as the Ravens are running it.  Andrews has a choice as to how he runs the route though.  

    •  If there is no bracket and he finds the safety to his outside shoulder - he bends the route inside and shields the DB away with his bigger frame.
    •  No bracket and the safety is inside shoulder, he drifts towards the numbers and continues up the seam.       
    •  If Andrews and Lamar were to see a 2 high look, then Mark would try to spot the corner and see if Ward is getting depth.  If the corner gets depth outside the numbers he can carry narrow upfield.  If Ward isn't getting depth he can break to the boundary on a '7 '(flag)   so long as the safety is sitting inside.

    Wilks has the Linebacker "squeeze" the #3 up the seam and then squats looking for any corresponding crosser/drag/under which he would take at that point.   Burris is outside leverage, eyes on #3 and attempting to "wall" and/or squat on the hitch, if he continues up field then he looks for the #2 which he identifies and drives on.   Ward is in "man", but he's also looking to rob or undercut any '7' (flag) behind him.   Refer back to that last bullet point as to how the offense plays this.  

    Randall HAS to know where the weak point in coverage is.  His eyes should always be on the #2 and #3 to that side because he is reading vertical at which point he would carry the downfield threat.  Or at least that would be the smart bracket in this case.   The spider-cam and coaches tape won't be available until Wednesday but Randall drifts between the hashes like he's playing center field or some kind of robber only to realize too late he has been beaten.     Giant miscommunication somewhere.   But this is where I refer to instincts and safeties playing ball.  You know you're not having  Burris or the linebacker carry vertical without help, that shit would be stupid.   And I know part of you wants to expect a backside route that presses downfield - skinny post or some shit, but you have to trust where your instincts say the ball is going.   It's not like the Ravens to play that off-script.  It's an incredibly "controlled" passing game and you have to know that with the space Wilks allows, they're going to attempt to get their bigger targets downfield on top of you.

    edit:  Great safety play covers up a lot of bad smells from a defense.  It can take a bust, like the one above, and turn it into a ball that Lamar either has to scramble to buy time, eat the play or throw up a contested pass.      Like I said, I think Randall can be a solid player on the backend.  Elite? not so much.  But Wilks right now is making it incredibly difficult with his calls.

    @tiamat63 said:

    You guys are going to have to open this and then increase scale, I don't know how to resize it.    Anywho I'm going to throw my hand at this.  Untitled.thumb.png.1e3429c698b2bdc7826bbd157cf43c8b.png

    You have plus splits to the trips side even though formation strength is the the boundary. This is pattern matching coverage the only problem is, at some point when you're a safety you just have to play ball.  You know your opposing QB's favorite target, you know they want to get him involved and you know their QB likes bigger bodies because his ball placement is questionable at times.  Instincts mean a great deal.


    This is a double under with a vertical from the #3 as the Ravens are running it.  Andrews has a choice as to how he runs the route though.  

    •  If there is no bracket and he finds the safety to his outside shoulder - he bends the route inside and shields the DB away with his bigger frame.
    •  No bracket and the safety is inside shoulder, he drifts towards the numbers and continues up the seam.       
    •  If Andrews and Lamar were to see a 2 high look, then Mark would try to spot the corner and see if Ward is getting depth.  If the corner gets depth outside the numbers he can carry narrow upfield.  If Ward isn't getting depth he can break to the boundary on a '7' (flag)  

    Wilks has the Linebacker "squeeze" the #3 up the seam and then squats looking for any corresponding crosser/drag/under which he would take at that point.   Burris is outside leverage, eyes on #3 and attempting to "wall" and/or squat on the hitch, if he continues up field then he looks for the #2 which he identifies and drives on.   Ward is in "man", but he's also looking to rob or undercut any '7' (flag) behind him.   Refer back to that last bullet point as to how the offense plays this.  

    Randall HAS to know where the weak point in coverage is.  His eyes should always be on the #2 and #3 to that side because he is reading vertical at which point he would carry the downfield threat.  Or at least that would be the smart bracket in this case.   The spider-cam and coaches tape won't be available until Wednesday but Randall drifts between the hashes like he's playing center field or some kind of robber only to realize too late he has been beaten.     Giant miscommunication somewhere.   But this is where I refer to instincts and safeties playing ball.  You know you're not having anyone Burris or the linebacker carry vertical without help, that should would be stupid.   And I know part of you wants to expect a backside route that presses downfield - skinny post or some shit, but you have to trust where your instincts say the ball is going.   It's not like the Ravens to play that off-script.  It's an incredibly "controlled" passing game and you have to know that with the space Wilks allows, they're going to attempt to get their bigger targets downfield on top of you.

    Truth: I don't know the details of schemes in football and the associated terms. But I do get the gist, that you may have an assignment but you've got to be aware of the strengths of the opposition and be in position/adjust accordingly based on your read of the unfolding play. Or that *sounds* like the gist, anyway.

  • Big pass play to the one yard line

    Chubb going backwards

  • Baker has to use his feet more 

  • Baker Manziel is everything we thought...cries of Manziel 2.0 when he was drafted...ringing true now...you cant polish a turd

  • Chubb 8 carries 17 yards.....and now they have to play catch up.

    @mjp28 said:

    Chubb 8 carries 17 yards.....and now they have to play catch up.

    maybe 8 carries too many??

    Running the ball early in the game(especially on 1st and 2nd down) is a bad strategy in the nfl in today's game.  It's been proven time and time again.   Teams just cannot afford to run the ball in tradtional ways(exempting many of the ravens runs) unless they are way ahead late in game.  

    In many ways, it's better to have a completely ineffective running game any given day than a 'good' running game, because the team with the ineffective running game may not even try and not waste key first downs.  

    And you look at Chubb today and he's put them in some bad situations and 2nd/3rd and long.  It's just too easy to get behind the sticks trying to run the ball.

  • Penalty gives Cleveland a second chance and score

    Two point conversion fails

    Remains a two score game

  • Seals Jones ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • Seals Jones ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    @7moses7 said:

    Seals Jones ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Dude just made a ridiculous catch down the seam.     Things happen...

  • Freddie not taking the extra point there should be shown on repeat if he gets canned. The talent on this team is so evident, but coaching just brings it down.

    no excuse.

    edit: OBJ knows it too. 

  • Slow death coming 6-7 minute drive complete with Jackson runs and flat passes 

  • Slow death coming 6-7 minute drive complete with Jackson runs and flat passes 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Slow death coming 6-7 minute drive complete with Jackson runs and flat passes 

    Yep, they’re gashing the Browns D 7-8 yards a carry.

    If they can’t stop that...the games over.

  • @7moses7 said:

    Seals Jones ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Dude just made a ridiculous catch down the seam.     Things happen...

    @tiamat63 said:

    Dude just made a ridiculous catch down the seam.     Things happen...

    Nope Go to your studs. 

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Slow death coming 6-7 minute drive complete with Jackson runs and flat passes 

    Yep, they’re gashing the Browns D 7-8 yards a carry.

    If they can’t stop that...the games over.

    @canton-dawg said:

    Yep, they’re gashing the Browns D 7-8 yards a carry.

    If they can’t stop that...the games over.

    I would have considered an onside. We will not get the ball twice  

  • Jackson gets another first down with his feet

    So who do we play next week?

    Oh yeah, Bengals

  • OBJ having a party on the sidelines during a loss...... he got his TD, so he's all good.

  • Jackson gets another first down with his feet

    So who do we play next week?

    Oh yeah, Bengals

    @tinythinker said:

    Jackson gets another first down with his feet

    So who do we play next week?

    Doesn’t matter who we play next, it’s a loss !!!!!

  • OBJ having a party on the sidelines during a loss...... he got his TD, so he's all good.

    @d-bone said:

    OBJ having a party on the sidelines during a loss...... he got his TD, so he's all good

    Odell can go to hell!!!!!!

  • There's the final nail with an 18 yard run by Hill 

    31-15

  • Wrong!!!!!!  This game was over at halftime ???

  • @d-bone said:

    OBJ having a party on the sidelines during a loss...... he got his TD, so he's all good

    Odell can go to hell!!!!!!

    @7moses7 said:

    Odell can go to hell!!!!!!

    OBJ is rightly calling out shitty coaching decisions that have repeatedly cost this team a season.