The 'Who you watching?' 2020 thread.
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Call me curiously intrigued ?.. So I only caught the Buffalo vs Charlotte Bowl game yesterday.. Khalil Mack's younger brother Ledarius is a redshirt senior also playing at Buffalo. LB/ST/DE so he got my attention as a plug in pass rusher..Ledarius has no invite to Senior Bowl nor even the Shrine Bowl yet... Can a redshirt Senior transfer, get a invite or does Ledarius have to declare first?
Call me curiously intrigued ?.. So I only caught the Buffalo vs Charlotte Bowl game yesterday.. Khalil Mack's younger brother Ledarius is a redshirt senior also playing at Buffalo. LB/ST/DE so he got my attention as a plug in pass rusher..Ledarius has no invite to Senior Bowl nor even the Shrine Bowl yet... Can a redshirt Senior transfer, get a invite or does Ledarius have to declare first?
Just because a guy is good does not mean that his brother will be just as good. Obviously it can happen (see: Bosa). Do you have any scouting report on this guy besides "he is Khalil's brother"?
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One Early Mock Draft:
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How would this Alex Leatherwood look on the Browns? Seems to me he is what we may need.
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well, so far, and I know it's ridiculous to do an entire mock draft, here is what I'm kinda coming up with.
Just a preliminary look-see and guessing at the first three rounds.
Browns
first round pick - about the 15th?
Isaiah Simmons, LB/S, Clemson, 6'3", 230 lbs,4.37Think a blazing faster, just as instinctive Schobert. He is an ***outstanding*** tackler. He can actually play safety and be a star. Not sure about Redwine as a starter. He can gain some weight, and become a ray lewis type lb. Lewis was 6'1", 240.
second round pick
Josh Jones, LT, Houston, 6'7", 320 lbsA lot of talk about him going in the first round. But it's a deep deep draft for tackles, so I can cheat. He can step in at LT by the season opener.
third round picks:
Marcus Norman, ROT, South Florida, 6'6", 316 lbsHubbard is just ok at best some of the time. But I really like this kid. A lot of fine OT's make this possible?
Jake Ferguson, TE, Wisconsin, 6'5", 250 lbs ...
can run a 4.65 maybe, but is a big pass catcher, willing blocker, and
loves the game. Gets open for several catches in big games when their wr's couldn't do much. Maybe Njoku is traded...something is up with that.
Browns
first round pick - about the 15th?
Isaiah Simmons, LB/S, Clemson, 6'3", 230 lbs,4.37Think a blazing faster, just as instinctive Schobert. He is an ***outstanding*** tackler. He can actually play safety and be a star. Not sure about Redwine as a starter. He can gain some weight, and become a ray lewis type lb. Lewis was 6'1", 240.
second round pick
Josh Jones, LT, Houston, 6'7", 320 lbsI like both players... a lot. Simmons looks like a top ten cinch to me and Jones a late 1st... maybe a bit higher if he goes off at The Combine. He's a 4-year starter, but played in a OT friendly, quick-pass scheme, so his tech is under-developed.
I don't think either falls to us where we will be sitting in those first two rounds, but could get within shouting distance... just depends how loud you are willing to shout. Problem is we can't shout at every player we like... such is life on the middle of rounds.
An alternative... assuming no one falls to us we like... is to trade down in the 1st where Josh might be a value pick as well as a need.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
From Walter football......
Cleveland Browns: Mekhi Becton, OT, Louisville 
Perhaps the Browns will think twice about entering the season with Greg Robinson as their left tackle. They desperately need help on the offensive line.
At 6-7, 340, Mekhi Becton is a massive human being. Despite his size, however, Becton is athletic and flexible.And the neighbourhood the BROWNS might be in.....
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Mekaleka Hiney-who?
Pretty sad 40 time...
OUCH. You can bet he will lose some weight and better THAT time. Actually, I really, really like Becton. He's a very big smart kid, loves the game, physical, far quicker feet that you'd think he'd have at 355/369 ? lbs. He's a leader... and some mocks have him in the first round...2nd and third rounds. I would think he's more a guard, in the pros...at RT? I think he may be a huge steal at ROG for the Browns. I thought he'd slide to the 4th or 5th, but it seems his stock is rising.
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Well.....now it IS official.....Browns eliminated. So, here for now is the order for the top half of the draft:
2020 NFL Draft Order
PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB SOS STREAK 1 1-14 .067 -- .561 Lost 3 2 3-12 .200 2.0 .500 Lost 3 3 3-11-1 .233 2.5 .507 Lost 8 4 4-11 .267 3.0 .470 Won 2 5 4-11 .267 3.0 .492 Won 1 6 4-9-1 .321 4.0 .536 Won 1 7 5-10 .333 4.0 .481 Lost 1 8 5-10 .333 4.0 .509 Lost 2 9 5-10 .333 4.0 .546 Lost 7 10 6-9 .400 5.0 .475 Won 1 11 6-9 .400 5.0 .517 Won 1 12 6-9 .400 5.0 .527 Lost 2 13 6-9 .400 5.0 .553 Won 3 14 7-8 .467 6.0 .470 Won 1 15 7-8 .467 6.0 .485 Won 1 16 7-8 .467 6.0 .500 Lost 1 -
I'd never root for the Browns to lose.... but.... a loss next week probably cinches Freddie getting shitcanned AND the Browns near or in the Top 10 of the Draft.
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I'd never root for the Browns to lose.... but.... a loss next week probably cinches Freddie getting shitcanned AND the Browns near or in the Top 10 of the Draft.
I'd never root for the Browns to lose.... but.... a loss next week probably cinches Freddie getting shitcanned AND the Browns near or in the Top 10 of the Draft.
Yep and it’s Hard to excited for Freddie Part 2 and Alex Leatherwood
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Mekaleka Hiney-who?
Pretty sad 40 time...
OUCH. You can bet he will lose some weight and better THAT time. Actually, I really, really like Becton. He's a very big smart kid, loves the game, physical, far quicker feet that you'd think he'd have at 355/369 ? lbs. He's a leader... and some mocks have him in the first round...2nd and third rounds. I would think he's more a guard, in the pros...at RT? I think he may be a huge steal at ROG for the Browns. I thought he'd slide to the 4th or 5th, but it seems his stock is rising.
OUCH. You can bet he will lose some weight and better THAT time
Quite possibly... but to be clear... it's not the 40 time per se that bothers me, it's the 10-yd split that may be at the root of it.
Alex Leatherwood
One OT option that does not excite me, but that I have only looked at in game broadcasts.
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Anybody else notice how much better Greg Robinson is playing after being benched? He's no world-beater, but he had yet another solid game against the Ravens. LTs are difficult to come by, so I'm thinking we try and keep him another year.
Now, RT is another story. Hubbard will likely be the first guy left at the door. What's another hole? Linebacker? Safety? I think we can get these positions nailed in the first 3 rounds, plus another guard because we get an extra 3rd rounder from Duke trade. With our first 4 picks I want a RT, safety, linebacker, and guard. Make it happen.
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S, TE, Dline depth, secondary depth...
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I suppose at some point a list of Browns Free Agents should be made so that we know a couple of things:
A. likelihood of losing those guys (can we lose them despite really wanting to keep them?)
B.advisability of letting them walk (can we do better than what we have with them?)
C. What kind of hole the loss of those players would give us, so as to determine whether or not to replace them via other FAs or the draft.
Does anyone know the identity of those players?
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I suppose at some point a list of Browns Free Agents should be made so that we know a couple of things:
A. likelihood of losing those guys (can we lose them despite really wanting to keep them?)
B.advisability of letting them walk (can we do better than what we have with them?)
C. What kind of hole the loss of those players would give us, so as to determine whether or not to replace them via other FAs or the draft.
Does anyone know the identity of those players?
Does anyone know the identity of those players?
https://overthecap.com/free-agency/cleveland-browns/ Hunt-RFA / Randall/Schobert/Robinson-Unrestricted... we all wear brown & orange, but we certainly won't matter
nor will some of these guys..Browns will control the rights to RFA* or ERFA* by matching team offers.. We also need a clearer picture of who's coaching this team..Hopefully, without Steve Wilks coaching his flag football non-tackling and coverage systems..
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I suppose at some point a list of Browns Free Agents should be made so that we know a couple of things:
A. likelihood of losing those guys (can we lose them despite really wanting to keep them?)
B.advisability of letting them walk (can we do better than what we have with them?)
C. What kind of hole the loss of those players would give us, so as to determine whether or not to replace them via other FAs or the draft.
Does anyone know the identity of those players?
I suppose at some point a list of Browns Free Agents should be made so that we know a couple of things:
A. likelihood of losing those guys (can we lose them despite really wanting to keep them?)
B.advisability of letting them walk (can we do better than what we have with them?)
C. What kind of hole the loss of those players would give us, so as to determine whether or not to replace them via other FAs or the draft.
Does anyone know the identity of those players?
A. Hunt should be retainable. Scho is gonna get paid. The others have probably played themselves (negatively) out of town
B. Hunt actually seems to want to be here and plays hard each week and has talent. Check Check and Check. If we want a run stuffing thumper I think we can let Scho walk. If Randall has truly played himself out of big contract and into a marginal starting player type salary - maybe we keep.
C. I can make the argument that safety is the biggest need on this team. LT and RT equally big. I think we will see a Tackle somewhere in the first in our range that will be good value. Lots of good value at 10-20. I think I’d combo both positions in free agency and high in the draft. We need a reliable TE too
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Anybody else notice how much better Greg Robinson is playing after being benched? He's no world-beater, but he had yet another solid game against the Ravens. LTs are difficult to come by, so I'm thinking we try and keep him another year.
Now, RT is another story. Hubbard will likely be the first guy left at the door. What's another hole? Linebacker? Safety? I think we can get these positions nailed in the first 3 rounds, plus another guard because we get an extra 3rd rounder from Duke trade. With our first 4 picks I want a RT, safety, linebacker, and guard. Make it happen.
Anybody else notice how much better Greg Robinson is playing after being benched? He's no world-beater, but he had yet another solid game against the Ravens. LTs are difficult to come by, so I'm thinking we try and keep him another year.
Now, RT is another story. Hubbard will likely be the first guy left at the door. What's another hole? Linebacker? Safety? I think we can get these positions nailed in the first 3 rounds, plus another guard because we get an extra 3rd rounder from Duke trade. With our first 4 picks I want a RT, safety, linebacker, and guard. Make it happen.
The oline has been scapegoated all year.
Freddie, Baker and our Secondary have been equally and probably arguably more of an issue this season. Don’t forget our oline is blocking for the #1 back in the league.
Most fan bases kick and scream and criticize their oline they think oline should protect a QB more than 5 seconds each play.Re. Secondary/ We need a Jamal Adams type. And I’m starting to think a run stuffing thumper might be a better option the Joe Scho
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I'm always in favor of more OL competition, but let's give Wyatt Teller an opportunity to be the man at RG for a full season before declaring him not the solution. At minimum he's not part of the problem.. he was the best RG in all the land just 2 weeks ago. Maybe a full offseason working w tretter and Bito will improve their communication & give Baker confidence in the pocket once more.
Well, that, and more quick-hitting routes, but that's a different thread.
Point is, any OL after round 3 would only be competition and not a guaranteed upgrade, so let's don't end his tenure just yet.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/cleveland-browns-2020-7-round-mock-draft-vol-3
How many draft threads are there going to be?
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